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Death of teen on bike shows risks of expanded use of Tasers
St Petersburg Times ^ | Aug 1, 2010 | Meg Laughlin

Posted on 08/01/2010 5:41:28 PM PDT by driftdiver

Late one night in October, a 17-year-old on a bike was chased by a police officer in a cruiser. When the boy refused to stop, the officer aimed his Taser out the driver's window and fired. The boy fell off the bike and the cruiser ran over him, killing him.

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Watch the video and listen to the audio. Cop shoots kid from his moving car, runs him over, and is then video taped crawling under the car with a silver item.

Dead kid is later found to have a silver gun. Cop gets off.

1 posted on 08/01/2010 5:41:40 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

fyi


2 posted on 08/01/2010 5:43:01 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Some police officers are too stupid to be considered human. This jamoke is one of them.


3 posted on 08/01/2010 5:43:57 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: driftdiver

Crime: Pissing off Officer Judge J. N. Executioner.

Sentence: DEATH

Badge-lappers on deck in 3... 2... 1...


4 posted on 08/01/2010 5:48:30 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

He didn’t stop when the cop told him too, so I guess he deserved to die. right? I mean thats what many people on FR say.


5 posted on 08/01/2010 5:48:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

“Some police officers are too stupid to be considered human. This jamoke is one of them.”

Jack booted thugs love their tasers.
Makes them feel like gods, or Darth Vader.


6 posted on 08/01/2010 5:49:11 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: driftdiver

The Judge Dredd wannabes.


7 posted on 08/01/2010 5:50:23 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: AlexW

Not only the tazer but planting evidence.


8 posted on 08/01/2010 5:50:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Cops. Some of them are really stupid.


9 posted on 08/01/2010 5:52:06 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Tasers are an intermediate weapon on the use of force continuum. You don’t discharge one unless immediate harm is plausible to the officer or someone else. This officer was in the wrong. Whether or not they planted a weapon, I’m not sure. That cop screwed up.


10 posted on 08/01/2010 5:55:20 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: driftdiver

THX 1138 alert!


11 posted on 08/01/2010 5:55:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: goseminoles

That said, the taser is a great weapon. But I hate the title of this article. Its slanted. Who’s “expanding” the use of tasers?


12 posted on 08/01/2010 5:59:11 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

The cop went to his car and got a silver object. He crawled under the car where the dead kid was with the silver object. The kid was later found with an illegal silver object.

Anyone else would have been convicted with this video tape.


13 posted on 08/01/2010 5:59:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Yep. Planting stuff is the worst form of police deviance.


14 posted on 08/01/2010 6:01:55 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Isn’t anyone in authority a little worried that if this continues, people will evade/flee/shoot first at police because they simply can’t be trusted?

What if that becomes a valid defense?

Interesting, that the gun was wiped clean. How did the kid put it in his pocket? Maybe he was a neatness freak?


15 posted on 08/01/2010 6:04:06 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Failure of the public trust is a very bad road to go down. Blacks have felt this way for years.


16 posted on 08/01/2010 6:07:45 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: driftdiver

I don’t normally assume the cop is at fault, but this, even without the “silver item” possibility, signifies an absolute moron of a cop.


17 posted on 08/01/2010 6:09:33 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: goseminoles
It appears that the cops acted stupidly. What we don't know is why the cop is chasing the kid for in the first place. From the video, the only one seen endangering the public is the police, who are driving on the wrong side of the road.
If the kid was fleeing after an armed robbery, use of force justified, but not the way this cop responded. He obviously wasn't paying attention to his driving or he would have stopped before running over both the kid and a curb.
He could have just as easily done that to someones grandma.
Second, I don't hear any siren during the pursuit. In many States it's illegal for police to exceed or ignore normal traffic laws unless both lights and sirens are used at the same time. While cops continually ignore that, in no case is a police officer exempt from liability for traffic accidents even if they are using lights and sirens.
Cops wrong. Cops covering up for other cops.
18 posted on 08/01/2010 6:11:58 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Good post. I agree.


19 posted on 08/01/2010 6:14:40 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: driftdiver
He didn’t stop when the cop told him too, so I guess he deserved to die. right? I mean thats what many people on FR say.

That's pretty much the logic of the Freeper Law and Order---Cops Can Do No Wrong Crowd.

20 posted on 08/01/2010 6:16:07 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Past Your Eyes

“Cops. Some of them are really stupid.”

Yes, but they all have guns.


21 posted on 08/01/2010 6:18:34 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
It appears that the cops acted stupidly.

Seems a bit of an understatement for manslaughter.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 08/01/2010 6:19:28 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: driftdiver

Some people shouldn’t be cops.....


23 posted on 08/01/2010 6:20:42 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: goseminoles
Failure of the public trust is a very bad road to go down. Blacks have felt this way for years.

You are absolutely right. And what the Police and the Law and Order Conservatives fail to see is the very system they are cheering on is the very system that is pushing the country towards that fork in the road. One day the country is going to wake up and few if any of its citizens will trust the police.

It will be a sad day but its one we are fast approaching and just like the liberals who stick their head in the sand to avoid certain issues. The conservatives are guilty of sticking their head in the sand and avoiding this 8000 pound neon blue in the room.

24 posted on 08/01/2010 6:21:23 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Dallas59

Ding-ding. We have a winner!


25 posted on 08/01/2010 6:22:01 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

The safest answer I could come up with....


26 posted on 08/01/2010 6:23:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: driftdiver

At the request of the St. Petersburg Times, nationally known use-of-force expert Dave Klinger, who is a retired Los Angeles police officer and now a senior research scientist at the Police Foundation in Washington, D.C., reviewed documents and videos related to the case.

It didn’t make sense to fire a Taser at Victor on the bike, said Klinger, because of the likelihood he would get hurt. Furthermore, he said, Victor was not a suspect in a serious crime.

“You don’t Taser people in circumstances that increase the likelihood of injury unless they’re a suspect for something like rape or murder,” said Klinger.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I usually back the cops but this case stinks to high heaven!

From the article it would appear that the officer had NO reason to believe the kid was armed — let alone dangerous.

Sounds like grounds for a wrongful death suit.

Unfortunately, a lawsuit won’t bring this kid back.

STE=Q


27 posted on 08/01/2010 6:28:53 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I don’t know what a law and order conservative is, but when society reaches a point when citizens won’t answer their doors for police, pull over for police, or are scared of who we should trust, we are heading down somewhere we don’t want to go.


28 posted on 08/01/2010 6:30:13 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

http://twitter.com/InjusticeNews


29 posted on 08/01/2010 6:31:12 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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“Interesting, that the gun was wiped clean. How did the kid put it in his pocket? Maybe he was a neatness freak?”

Source? I’m still looking for “the rest of the story”.


30 posted on 08/01/2010 6:31:19 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: driftdiver

Very suspicious. God sees all.


31 posted on 08/01/2010 6:33:24 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: driftdiver

The cop should have been polygraph.


32 posted on 08/01/2010 6:44:12 PM PDT by Orange1998
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Source? I’m still looking for “the rest of the story”.

You neanderthal! You insensitive twit!

You actually want to know the circumstances and facts before running off at the mouth in neurotic indignation?

33 posted on 08/01/2010 6:46:22 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

Dude, that cop tasered a kid on a bike.

And then ran him over with a cop car.

And then planted a gun on his dead body.

And then got his cop buddies to look the other way.

And then found a judge to let him literally get away with murder.

Those are the only “circumstances and facts” one needs to know to form an opinion in this matter.

Badge = license to kill.


34 posted on 08/01/2010 6:53:02 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger; Publius6961

Or you could watch the video and listen to the commentary. But no its more fun to run off half cocked.


35 posted on 08/01/2010 6:53:43 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Publius6961

“You actually want to know the circumstances and facts before running off at the mouth in neurotic indignation? “

So is it ok for us to be indignant at the tazoring and the running over part? Why exactly did the cop who did the running over climb under the car with a silver object and then come out without the silver object?

What part of the police manual says he should do that?


36 posted on 08/01/2010 6:56:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Thanks DD. On that note, I’m going to watch Bobby Bowden do a cameo on “Glades” at 10:00. Hold the fort ;o)


37 posted on 08/01/2010 6:59:58 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: B-Chan
Dude!

You made five wild incendiary statementements without a scintilla of evidence or references of any kind. If you know something the rest of us don't, by all means, inform and educate us.

Locally, last week a kid in a stolen car was shot and killed after running into numerous cars, a house, a long chase through an urban area, collided with police cars and was in the process of attempting to run over the police when he was shot and killed.

The family sounded pretty much like the people on this thread -- hysterical -- demonstrations, gnashing of teeth, demands for hearings and firing and demonstrations, the whole usual enchilada.

38 posted on 08/01/2010 7:01:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: driftdiver

The cop changed his story on why the pursuit began months later after confronted with evidence to the contrary.


39 posted on 08/01/2010 7:02:56 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: goseminoles

Just amazes me that people will pick out the smallest item to discredit someone while ignoring the 800lb gorilla.


40 posted on 08/01/2010 7:03:01 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Publius6961

Did the cop changes his written account months later and did it involve a silver flashy item.


41 posted on 08/01/2010 7:05:11 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: driftdiver
How much effort does it take to stop when a cop tells you to? How much brainpower? If the kid is retarded, he shouldn't go out without a keeper or a chaperone.

Had he stopped and events continued as reported, I would be there alongside you --- minus the anger management thing.

42 posted on 08/01/2010 7:05:22 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961; B-Chan

“The family sounded pretty much like the people on this thread — hysterical — demonstrations, gnashing of teeth, demands for hearings and firing and demonstrations, the whole usual enchilada.”

What part of tazering a kid riding a bike from a moving vehicle and then running the kid over don’t you understand?

What part of going to his car, getting a silver object, and then crawling under the car and coming out without the silver object don’t you understand?

The kid didn’t have a record. This wasn’t East St. Louis or Detroit. I’d say demonstrations and charges of negligent homocide, planting evidence, lying on his report are all in order.


43 posted on 08/01/2010 7:06:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

In the 70s my brother in law was a cop in Amarillo. One day he pulled out a gun wrapped in plastic and explained it was a throw down gun, and said all the cops carried one.


44 posted on 08/01/2010 7:07:07 PM PDT by TStro
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To: Publius6961

“Had he stopped and events continued as reported, I would be there alongside you -— minus the anger management thing.”

Last I heard Judge Dread was only a movie. How much effort does it take to realize the death penalty requires a jury verdict?


45 posted on 08/01/2010 7:08:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“Or you could watch the video and listen to the commentary. But no its more fun to run off half cocked.”
My cock is just fine, thank you very much, and the video and commentary don’t say diddly squat.


46 posted on 08/01/2010 7:08:52 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

The commentary pointed out he planted evidence and got away with it despite being on video. yea I can imagine that would piss a boot licker off.


47 posted on 08/01/2010 7:10:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Orange1998

Pensacola is a small town. The cop was probably bored and trying to pull the kid over for running a stop sign on his bike.


48 posted on 08/01/2010 7:12:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Last I heard Judge Dread was only a movie. How much effort does it take to realize the death penalty requires a jury verdict?

sorry, but I refuse to get in a battle of wits with angry children.
Have a nice evening.

49 posted on 08/01/2010 7:14:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Orange1998; Publius6961

“Ard would later say that he tried to stop Victor because he had seen him at a construction site and thought he may have stolen something. But witness Victor Stallworth said he saw Victor ride his bicycle past the construction site without stopping. Months later, Ard gave investigators a different reason for stopping Victor: He didn’t have a light on his bike — only two reflectors.”

Yep the kid died because he didn’t have a light on his bike. Good thing he got this dangerous kid off the street. Coulda been a tragedy.


50 posted on 08/01/2010 7:14:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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