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After 107 years in Milwaukee, Harley-Davidson could leave
Associated Press ^ | 8-4-10 | DINESH RAMDE

Posted on 08/04/2010 2:09:43 PM PDT by Justaham

It's the roar that made Milwaukee famous — the distinctive throaty rumble of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. But that much-loved racket could be rumbling away to another state if the company cannot bring down its labor costs.

Harley-Davidson warned employees in April that it will move its Wisconsin manufacturing operations elsewhere if it cannot cut millions of dollars at the factories that build the bikes known as "Milwaukee Iron."

Harley's corporate headquarters would remain here, but that's small consolation to a community that has already endured repeated blows to its civic identity.

Loading stock quotes… Index Last Change HOG 27.84 +0.45 +1.64% Quotes delayed 15+ min. "When you think of Milwaukee you think of beer, brats and Harley-Davidson," said Steve Daily, a researcher at the Milwaukee County Historical Society. "Right or wrong, that's what it is."

But that's been changing. For example, the corporate parent of beer giant Miller parent moved its U.S. headquarters to Chicago in 2008 after joining its domestic operations with Molson Coors Brewing Co. Then there was Schlitz, which billed itself as "the beer that made Milwaukee famous" until financial and labor problems forced it to sell out to a Detroit company in the 1980s.

That leaves Harley-Davidson Inc. as the city's lone signature brand. It's also a magnet for tourists, many of whom want to visit the factories where Harley engines are made.

"We get asked frequently where the plants are," said Paul Upchurch, the president of the VISIT Milwaukee tourism bureau. "A lot of people around the world associate Milwaukee with the home of Harley."

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: buildingcodes; environmentalists; epa; governmentregulation; green; harleydavidson; manufacturing; milwaukee; motorcycles; unions

1 posted on 08/04/2010 2:09:46 PM PDT by Justaham
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To: Justaham

right to work state?


2 posted on 08/04/2010 2:10:57 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Justaham

Bring it to Texas like Caterpillar did. No income tax, right to work and business friendly climate.


3 posted on 08/04/2010 2:14:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: stefanbatory

Texas. No better state for a harley factory.


4 posted on 08/04/2010 2:15:06 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Labor costs” is cost for Union intransigence.


5 posted on 08/04/2010 2:16:21 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Justaham

They should move to Sturgis, it’d be a great PR move and save everyone a drive.


6 posted on 08/04/2010 2:16:58 PM PDT by BigGaloot
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To: texmexis best

I’m pretty sure the California can be ruled out.


7 posted on 08/04/2010 2:17:17 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Justaham
Just look at what the UAW did to Detroit.
8 posted on 08/04/2010 2:18:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Justaham
They lost about 20 mil right away when Diamond Jim Doyle and the commies in the legislature forced combined reporting on Wisc businesses. HD is not evidently one of Doyle's cronies, so they get screwed. November is nearing, and it looks like we'll get control of the legislature and goober. That will help things turn around, I hope. It's a big mess to clean up.
9 posted on 08/04/2010 2:18:49 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Hog PING!


10 posted on 08/04/2010 2:19:53 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Justaham

India might be a good place to move. or South Korea.


11 posted on 08/04/2010 2:20:03 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Justaham

Change their mission statement to become a yacht builder, then move to Rhode Island.

Seriesly, didn’t I see a Harley plant whilst touring Pennsylvania a few years back?


12 posted on 08/04/2010 2:21:17 PM PDT by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator [who served in Vietnam and Rhode Island] said so.)
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To: Justaham

They were just talking about moving some production to Tennessee (right to work state) but I believe it went to Conn?


13 posted on 08/04/2010 2:22:57 PM PDT by cpanter
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To: Justaham

We can’t get rid of “Diamond Jim” fast enough. The damage is really deep, while we could make a comeback it will be hard. We need some strong business minded people to run our state create some low tax enterprise zones and give the corporations some new credits to encourage a return to the land of cheese. The only good news is we’re working real hard to retire Russ in the senate....old uncle Herb is next.


14 posted on 08/04/2010 2:25:15 PM PDT by John in Wisconsin
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To: Lurker

(Company spokesman Bob Klein said Harley wants to remain faithful, but its production schedule needs to be more closely aligned with seasonal demand, a change that would require approval from labor unions.)

Of course, the writer had to wait to literally the last two words of the article to mention the labor unions, although, they are probably the most important aspect of Harley’s decision.


15 posted on 08/04/2010 2:25:57 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: winner3000

“Harley Moves Offshore to India and Japan.”


16 posted on 08/04/2010 2:29:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: Justaham

That’s OK - Milwaukeean’s (?) can always work for the Gov’t or the SEIU

/sarc


17 posted on 08/04/2010 2:30:24 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Texas Fossil

Agree..... Btw what will if anything this card check crap do to us here in Texas. Will right to work trump the federal version Peeelosy wants to pass ?


18 posted on 08/04/2010 2:35:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: BigGaloot

I could say the same about Daytona, Plus Daytona actually has some folks living there. Ya ever been to Sturgis when the Ralley isn’t ongoing?

Diebold faced the same problem in Canton, Ohio.
They now make Diebold stuff in Mexico and the unions be damned. And Canton now has folks formerly making 25 and hour delivering newspapers and pizzas.


19 posted on 08/04/2010 2:41:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Ya unAmerican p.o.s.)
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To: Squantos

Good question. Dunno.


20 posted on 08/04/2010 2:44:15 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: stefanbatory

Milwaukee, much like Detroit, is known for heavy voter fraud during elections, often impacting who takes the states electoral votes by hiding behind the overwhelming black, welfare population. Why is it that cities with a heavy union presence are so heavily tilted toward voter fraud. Coincidence - I think not.


21 posted on 08/04/2010 2:52:54 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: Former War Criminal

Harley, may close it’s York plant, too. Thanks unions.


22 posted on 08/04/2010 3:03:14 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: Justaham
Hey Harley.... I'm in Alabama.... Whats a Union????

Harley could line up skilled people that want to work there for $12-15/hr!

23 posted on 08/04/2010 3:09:20 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: patton

Where ya been hidin Patton ?

Glad yer back.....


24 posted on 08/04/2010 3:26:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Will right to work trump the federal version Peeelosy wants to pass ?

You already know the answer to that one my friend.

25 posted on 08/04/2010 3:28:42 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Justaham

South Carolina would be a great place for them. They could locate right next to the new Boeing plant being built there.


26 posted on 08/04/2010 3:35:10 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Don’t forget the skilled labor force, excellent transportation system, and plenty of open land just waiting to be built upon. Texas rules!


27 posted on 08/04/2010 3:42:22 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Bring it to Wichita KS the air capital of the world then we would own the air and the highway.


28 posted on 08/04/2010 3:44:36 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lurker

I’m exempt yet fight anything union...here at the widget works.

Come onnnnnnn November !


29 posted on 08/04/2010 3:46:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
Will right to work trump the federal version Peeelosy wants to pass?

Not sure what "Peeelosy" can do now. Her power appears to be ebbing, I think November is going to be the deathknell for their arrogance. Right to work is a State issue, so I suspect it will remain intact.

30 posted on 08/04/2010 3:52:21 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Former War Criminal

Seriesly, didn’t I see a Harley plant whilst touring Pennsylvania a few years back?
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See post 22, the York PA plant is being shut down incrementally for the same reason as Milwaukee...

I’m voting for Daytona... cheap land , no unions and it would be a nice 45 minute ride to work for me (except during bike week when it would be 4 hours).


31 posted on 08/04/2010 4:00:57 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Justaham
That leaves Harley-Davidson Inc. as the city's lone signature brand. It's also a magnet for tourists, many of whom want to visit the factories where Harley engines are made.

After the move people can visit the Chinese I-Phone plant on the same trip.

32 posted on 08/04/2010 4:07:03 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, - W Churchill)
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To: Squantos

Thanks - had to find a new contract...


33 posted on 08/04/2010 5:01:46 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: John in Wisconsin

“We can’t get rid of ‘Diamond Jim’ fast enough. The damage is really deep, while we could make a comeback it will be hard.”

Gee. You’d NEVER know it by our media coverage, would you? Actually, even the lefty media in this state doesn’t say much about him...which speaks volumes, LOL!

Got my call to attend training to work on the Walker and Johnson campaigns. Can’t WAIT to get started. I think a true ‘Housecleaning’ is going to happen this fall. :)


34 posted on 08/04/2010 7:30:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole; Terabitten; jellybean; Madison Moose; youngjim; ThunderStruck94; Watery Tart; ...
Wisconsin Conservative Politics Ping List Ping!
35 posted on 08/04/2010 7:33:06 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: onevoter

I am an escapee from that sad sack of a state...I know the tune all too well...


36 posted on 08/04/2010 9:12:44 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Isn’t this deja vu for Harley? I thought years ago they went through this same thing with the union demanding higher wages while turning out a shoddy product. Harley was about to go out of business.

Management then made all the union members stock holders, basically owners of the company, and they immediately turned the situation around. They then built Harley into the company it is now, with a fine product and a sterling reputation.

Am I misremembering or did all those guys die out and now the union wants a redo?


37 posted on 08/04/2010 10:00:37 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Nope. You’re remembering correctly. :)


38 posted on 08/05/2010 5:23:21 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I have met a few people from Wisconsin here in Texas. They are dyed in the wool union Democrats. When I would discuss politics with them they would only reply, “All I know is that I made money when the Democrats were in office.” I would ask in return, “Then what in the Hell are you doing down here?” Blank stare.


39 posted on 08/05/2010 6:27:24 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Thanks - I forwarded the article to the Harley aficionado in our unit.
40 posted on 08/05/2010 6:27:25 AM PDT by knittnmom ("...only dead fish 'go with the flow'". - Sarah Palin 7/09)
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