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Stepping up from my Browning 9mm (FReeper advice needed for higher caliber pistol)
vanity ^ | 8-5-10 | wac3rd

Posted on 08/05/2010 12:13:58 AM PDT by wac3rd

I bought a 9mm and love using it, but am debating what to get for home protection at a higher caliber.

I like the looks of the 1911 45's and I also like the idea of a 40 caliber Glock or 10mm Glock. I think I want a semi-automatic, so the revolver is out...

Finally, should I get a shorter barrel (4" or less) or stick with the standard 4.5 - 5" barrel?

Your advice would be very much appreciated...


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Reference; Sports
KEYWORDS: 10mm; 40cal; 45sw; banglist; handgun; homedefense
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1 posted on 08/05/2010 12:14:02 AM PDT by wac3rd
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To: wac3rd

Home defense? You 9mm is OK. Get Hornady Critical Defense or XTP rounds for it, and you are good to go.

That said, if you don’t have a 12 guage shotgun, get one. Preferably a pump. The sound of a shell being chambered will make most thugs wet themselves and run (have been there). If they don’t, it’s the ultimate close quarters home defense weapon.

If you already have a 12 guage, I’ll defer to other Freepers re handgun choice. (My preferred is a .357 magnum wheel gun, but you stated that wheel guns are out.)


2 posted on 08/05/2010 12:20:50 AM PDT by piytar (Those who never learned that peace and freedom are rare will be taught by reality.)
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To: piytar

Thank you, I have a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 7 shells loaded right now...I may buy some of your ammo, thank you.


3 posted on 08/05/2010 12:24:26 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd

10mm is probably overkill, but sure sounds like a lot of fun.
Uncle Ted seems to like his 10.

I like the Glock 23.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 12:26:14 AM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Now 100% flag free.)
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To: wac3rd

I prefer the ED-209 for home protection.


5 posted on 08/05/2010 12:26:26 AM PDT by Krankor (Boy, giraffes are selfish, just run around looking out for number one, getting hit by lightning.)
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To: wac3rd
If you are looking to carry concealed, I liked the baby Glocks. I've tried several other guns, but that was the easiest to conceal, decent capacity, very reliable.

I've always felt that the .45 has more of a push type recoil and the .40 is more of a slap type recoil. Both are manageable for most shooters with reasonable hand strength.

I am in federal law enforcement now and carry an HK P2000 SK as a concealed gun. It's okay, but the Glock was smaller. We have also had problems with corrosion on the HK since some of our agents are on the water a lot.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 12:28:42 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

It’s hard to get a CCW permit here in California for the obvious reasons that Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein prefer the citizenry to be less armed than the illegal drug cartel members who shoot up our towns and cities...but I digress...I like the Glock 22 or 23 in concept and will shoot one next weekend.

Thanks for the advice.


7 posted on 08/05/2010 12:34:48 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd
I had and practiced with a Browning for years but needed something a bit smaller. I got an H&K USP Compact in .40 and practicing with it was a very easy transition from my Browning. I didn't have to get used to a new feel or something. At any rate, I'm very pleased with my H&K and got a full size USP as well to carry as my sidearm when I go hunting. The full size USP is a change from the Browning, but the Compact didn't seem to be, go figure.

You need to go somewhere and try out several different things if you can. What you got used to and transitioning to something new is the biggest thing. I have friends who had a hard time getting used to something new and others who tried a half dozen different things before they could shed the handgun they first got used to. So, everyone has an opinion but what fits you is the most important thing.

Regards

8 posted on 08/05/2010 1:02:54 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is already insane and sequestered on golf courses so you won't know it)
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To: wac3rd

I know jack about firearms. At least right now. In theory, BCT will change that. ;-)

Still, I want to get something for my wife, so maybe some FReepers can chime in as to what is a good option for a 4’10 woman with small hands. My brother has given some great advice, but I enjoy talking to people about this stuff.

Heck, if anyone that reads this is in the DFW area, I’d like to get to know you folks as I want some shooting buddies for my wife to go with while I am away.

Cheers!


9 posted on 08/05/2010 1:04:23 AM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: wac3rd
I recommend baby steps. Try this one next:


10 posted on 08/05/2010 1:05:35 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo, wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: wac3rd

Colt 50 cal. revolver.


11 posted on 08/05/2010 1:06:38 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: wac3rd
Others here may laugh, but I like my Bersa Thunder .380 for close personal protection. It's accurate (I can nail a small bullseye in the black at 30 feet one-handed with it), it's ridiculously easy to maintain, and my Corbon DPX rounds can penetrate 14 inches into ballistic gelatin and mushroom quite nicely, thank you. Plus I can pack it and nobody will ever know it.

It's like a friend of mine (who happens to be a firearms expert with my local PD) says: "Spreading is nice, but it's all about penetration, baby."

Should anyone here discount my fondness for the larger caliber, I used to swing both the M-60 and M1911, and would have married them both if the Army (and polygamy laws, I guess) had let me.

12 posted on 08/05/2010 1:10:18 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Saving the world, one paper form at a time.)
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To: wac3rd
For home protection, I use a Colt Combat Commander in .45. I just don't like a Glock and I like large lead. A .40 would be good, I suppose, but why not just go on the the .45? If I was a Cop on duty, I would look at the Sig .357 or the 10mm. Flatter shooting with good knock down. As it is, I use 185 grn or 200 grn HP in my .45 when I target shoot at any distance. Shooting down a hallway in a house, the 230HP is like throwing a sinker into someones chest.

Longer barrels are always better than short unless you are trying to conceal it. Conceal Carry almost demands a short barrel. If it's something in the nightstand drawer, I would go with longer for the sight radius and heft.

13 posted on 08/05/2010 1:15:53 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: USNBandit

1911 is the best thing since, oh, ...bacon? The one ideal gun.


14 posted on 08/05/2010 1:17:51 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: wac3rd
Besides my loaded pistols I also keep my 12 ga. close by loaded with buck shot, slug, buck shot, slug.... you get the picture.
15 posted on 08/05/2010 1:19:11 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: wac3rd
I see you already have a shotgun,,,

Mossberg ?,,,

I bought a Model 88 a while back,,,8 shot(2 3/4”)

It holds about $40.00 worth of Flechettes,,,
(www.rareammo.com)

Can't beat that up close with a tommygun!,,,

I guess I'm like many folks around here,,,

1911 all the way,,,

A pocket full of mag’s and your good to go...

16 posted on 08/05/2010 1:34:37 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: wac3rd

For home defense? A handgun more robust than a 9mm? Not necessary, so your desire for a heavier caliber goes beyond home defense — carry? Competition? Esthetics? Which of those is the primary motivation should drive your decision.
That being said, a home defense handgun is notoriously under-maintained and poorly secured (not saying you in particular, just the public in general). So honesty in consideration of those two factors should weigh in your choice.
A home defense handgun is most commonly used in a crisis situation, not a deliberate response. So something you (or your spouse / kid / partner can grab and use safely, effectively, and reliably should be the next thought. When the adrenaline’s pumping, a single-action trigger can be a dangerous thing.
Finally, try to find something that is comfortable to shoot and points naturally for you. To be competent with it means practice, and if it is uncomfortable to shoot, or it makes you look like Barney at the range, you are not going to practice. And pointing naturally (pick a target, close your eyes, bring the pistol up to where you think the pistol is aiming at it, then open your eyes — how far off is it?) is a good thing in a darkened home regardless of what sights you have on it.
But for one of the other considerations, you have other factors to work out. Esthetics? In the eye of the beholder, and you want to show it off. Competition? Depends on the sport. Carry? Weight, location, access, comfort level.
Good luck with your shopping.


17 posted on 08/05/2010 1:47:53 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: wac3rd

Kimber 1911 .45 with built in laser.
Put some hollow point teflon tipped bullets in her and knock down a bear.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:59:08 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Ya unAmerican p.o.s.)
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To: shibumi

Wow! Looks like something Charles Bronson would’ve carried.


19 posted on 08/05/2010 2:00:35 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: wac3rd
now that depends on what part of cali you live in. Both my wife and I have permits as do most of my friends.
Your 9MM is plenty big enough for your house gun. I second the motion that you need a riot gun around too.
20 posted on 08/05/2010 2:28:03 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: piytar
, if you don’t have a 12 guage shotgun, get one. Preferably a pump

what he said,,use the 9mm as backup, your as well armed as you need to be for home protection. Load it w/ #1 or 0 buck, not bird shot.

Practice with both, bigger pistol calibers have more recoil and can cause flinching. One COM hit w/9mm is better than 10 misses with a .50 cal.

9mm has the cheapest ammo, therefore, more practice.

I love the 1911, but, how are you going to keep it? If one round is in the chamber, the hammer is back, safety on. I prefer a double action only, round in chamber, no safety to worry about. (point, click, repeat)

21 posted on 08/05/2010 2:28:47 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: piytar

Piytar, When I took my 12 Guage to a gunsmith to
have the barrel and stock shortened, I told him to
listen. I pumped it... and it made the world familiar
chouk chouk sound... he said, yes? I said, when I pick
it up I want it to be just as noisy as it is right now.

He smiled and said, I know exactly what you mean.
(s)

Razmataz


22 posted on 08/05/2010 2:40:20 AM PDT by Razmataz
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To: Joe Boucher; All
Kimber 1911 .45 with built in laser.

That's, me, too! Crimson Ultra Carry 3-inch barrel...shoots sweet!
23 posted on 08/05/2010 2:43:50 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Vote Republican! We're 1/10 of 1% better than the other guys!)
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To: wac3rd

I think a shotgun is a very good idea. Before my TRAGIC boating accident where the boat tipped over..and everything was deep sixed..I had a Saiga 12 semi auto 12 gauge. It did lack that outstanding sound of shotgun being racked. However it threw lots of lead at the zombie that came in the door..very quickly! (Phew..I kept everything in the past tense.)

Flgoldwingguy


24 posted on 08/05/2010 2:47:26 AM PDT by FlGoldwingGuy (Oh yeah...I lost all my firearms in a tragic boating accident, fell overboard- Yeah..that's it!)
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To: wac3rd

Rethink your decision regarding revolvers. NO handgun is safer or more dependable. Double action is the way to go. Many calibers to choose from. .38 Special should be the minimum for human targets. Hope this helps, and that you never need the gun, but are always prepared if you do-!


25 posted on 08/05/2010 2:54:26 AM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: FlGoldwingGuy

Remington Model 870 12 ga pump. This was the shotgun we had in the military and the balance was such that you could fire it one handed like a pistol. Smooth pump action for quick chambering the next round.
And as stated before the noise, flash and sound are such that an intruder will run and not fire back. Plus the fact that a shotgun will be less likely to harm your neighbors property.


26 posted on 08/05/2010 2:55:48 AM PDT by Wooly
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To: wac3rd
If you have a Browning Hi-Power, the HP, you already have one of the finest defensive handguns made. In functioning, natural 'point-ability' (ergonomics) and ease of operation under stress it sits at the top of the pile, along with the venerable Colt Model 1911 and its clones.
It was was designed by John M. Browning and that says about everything you need to know to calm your fears or worries about its use.
My preferred 'serious social use' ammunition for the HP was Federal 9BP. I don't even know if its still around. But there have been later cartridge offerings that should fill whatever need you might have.
Personally, I prefer the .45 acp, I like the Combat Commander, it has the shorter barrel you mention, and also a sportified Officers model. But if you already have a HP, you have no need to worry - They work.

Shot placement is everything - Practice Practice Practice...its fun also!
27 posted on 08/05/2010 3:06:29 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: notdownwidems

Ditto. I have (and carry all day, EVERY day) a Kimber Ultra Covert II. The Crimson Trace is nice, but I really like the Meprolight night sights. It is comforting to see those three dots softly glowing on the nightstand any time of night.


28 posted on 08/05/2010 3:32:07 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (The shattered skulls of tyrants should be used for traction under the boots of justice. T. Nugent)
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To: wac3rd

You’ve received a lot of good advice.

I prefer a large .45 semi — my Sig P220 fits my hand perfectly. And with a ProMag magazine in it, It’ll hold 9 rounds. Plenty for home defense. Plus I keep an extra mag with the pistol in the bio-metric gun safe bolted to the bed.

MY thought is that you should get a .45 with the right self defense rounds in it. But more importantly get the .45 you’ll take to the range a lot and become both confident and competent in its use. Shoot enough so that you have reliable, dependable combat accuracy at 12 - 25 feet. In other words you hit your 12” aim point circles with two or three shot groups at the fastest pace you can maintain accuracy. The practice at the range with a variety of rental guns will help you get a feel for which gun is right for you.

Also, get the tritium or other glowing sights (or pop for the built-in flashlight/laser) and practice taking aim in your darkened home at likely defense points. Just so you know what’s it’s like to “aim” at what you can’t really see - and what you won’t really have time to get a good sight picture on before you HAVE to make the choice to fire (or not).


29 posted on 08/05/2010 3:32:44 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Razmataz

Raz,,,The problem I have with that “noise” factor is that

it gives away your position to the other guy,,,

If I rack my Mossberg very sloooowly I can be pretty quiet.

I’m sure most crooks will run when they hear that sound,,,

Hopefully the first/last sound is !BOOM!...;0)


30 posted on 08/05/2010 3:41:54 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: wac3rd

For close quarter living areas like where you have neighbors I would suggest .45 or .40 frangibles.

Where I live in rural Alaska where two and four footed vermin wear heavy winter coats its a maxed out 10mm Glock for me.


31 posted on 08/05/2010 3:46:20 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: wac3rd

Good home defense is quick access to a gun. That usually takes more than one gun place around the house.


32 posted on 08/05/2010 3:46:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: wac3rd
Here's my theory about home defense:

The most important thing is consistently hitting the target while scared shitless.

It is not "stopping power", it has nothing to do with ballistic gelatin or watermelons on youtube.

If you miss, you're probably going to get killed, perhaps with your own gun.

Taking that into account, try a number of different loads at the range, if you can arrange a session where you are placed under stress, so much the better.

There's a reason more bad guys die from 9mm rounds than any other - find out what it is before you quit it.

33 posted on 08/05/2010 3:55:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: wac3rd

“Rethink your decision regarding revolvers. NO handgun is safer or more dependable. Double action is the way to go. Many calibers to choose from. .38 Special should be the minimum for human targets. Hope this helps, and that you never need the gun, but are always prepared if you do-!”

This man speaks the truth. If you’re not going to extensively practice with the gun (clearing malfunctions etc) a revolver is the way to go. Simple to use under stress and if it doesn’t go bang all you have to do is pull the trigger again.

A couple of other comments...

1) Don’t get hung up on lasers. The primary benefit of a laser is to increase the profit margin of the manufacturer. I’m a big believer that it’s faster to bring the gun up and to acquire a proper sight picture than it is to search your background for a red dot while also tracking your attacker who will be moving fast. Keep the gun simple and your shooting technique as repetitive as possible.

2) Shotguns are great HD weapons. If you’re going to use one use 00 buck - not bird shot. Also, don’t buy into the “the sound of racking the pump will scare them away” comment. That’s bad tactical advice. If someone’s in your home you should assume that person means you harm and the last thing you want to do is give away your exact position.

3) If you do go with an auto pistol, the HiPower is an excellent gun from an ergonomic standpoint. My advice would be to send it to Cylinder and Slide for an action job to smooth out the trigger and a reliability job to minimize malfunctions. My advice would be the same for any 1911 - action job and reliability package. However, for autos I would recommend a Glock in 9mm (G17/34 for home or 19/26 if you want to carry concealed). They are cheap, simple to use, reliable, have a very low bore axis which minimizes muzzle flip, and have the same trigger pull -no DA/SA. I recommend 9mm because that’s what the platform was designed for and seems to function the best with.

Finally, caliber is not as important as shot placement. The minimum I would recommend is 9mm or 38SPC. Going up the ladder only increases one shot stop percentages by a point or two. So, you’re trading recoil management and faster follow-ups for ~94% (40SW) one shot stops versus ~90-92% (9mm). Shot placement is king.

Hope this helps.


34 posted on 08/05/2010 3:56:20 AM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: Razmataz
when I pick it up I want it to be just as noisy as it is right now

That's a good idea if the guy kicking in your door has a normal view of risk/reward.

Most people with that normal view are in bed with a beautiful woman at 3am, not kicking in doors.

If you're comfortable giving up your position before you have to pull the trigger, be my guest.

35 posted on 08/05/2010 4:00:08 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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To: piytar
If you already have a 12 gauge, I’ll defer to other Freepers re handgun choice. (My preferred is a .357 magnum wheel gun, but you stated that wheel guns are out.)

Me too. I keep an S & W 357 in my bed stand and a 12 gauge with double ought buckshot in my closet.

36 posted on 08/05/2010 4:02:34 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: wac3rd
"but am debating what to get for home protection at a higher caliber."

I'm surprised this thread only has 35 posts to it. If there's one thing that gets freepers posting, it's advice on firearms. I'll put my two cents in. For home protection, I think a shotgun works best. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. They're both inexpensive pumps and will do the job.
37 posted on 08/05/2010 4:16:13 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: wac3rd
I went with the 40 cal Glock model 22. It was a compromise between the 9 and 45. Plenty of punch and holds more rounds than the 45, but I do like shooting 45’s just as much.

The 12 ga for my money is the gun for home protection, it's just a bit large for conceal carry.

38 posted on 08/05/2010 4:18:58 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( I never speak ill of dead people or live judges.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

a shotgun works best. Remington 870

Amen brother! The sound of an 870 being racked makes the hairs on my arms stand up. If I were an intruder and heard that sound I’d drop a load.


39 posted on 08/05/2010 4:22:08 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( I never speak ill of dead people or live judges.)
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To: wac3rd

you’ve got a high power and a pump.. you’re set.

speaking in terms of home defense, the only thing you really need a handgun for is to get you to the pump.

if you want more handguns to place around the house to help you get to that pump, go with a 1911. controls will be very familiar.


40 posted on 08/05/2010 4:23:02 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: 60Gunner

Don’t feel bad. I get the same reactions carrying a Walther PPK/S. I love that pistol and at 6’3”, 220 lbs I have lots of places to hide it depending on the weather ;).

If you like the DPX ammo take a look at the new Critical Defense from Hornady. It was manufactured to FBI specs and can penetrate drywall, light plywood, and clothing and still maintain expansion and stopping power> I did my own tests and I’m quite confident that when needed it will get the job done :).


41 posted on 08/05/2010 4:25:48 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: wac3rd

Get a Glock 22 .40 caliber and then buy a 9mm and/or .357 barrel for it. You can use the .40 for home protection and the 9mm for plinking around with cheap ammo. Takes about 5 minutes to switch, assuming you will linger over barrel with a cleaning rag.


42 posted on 08/05/2010 4:27:52 AM PDT by IamConservative (You older gentleman ever sit on your testicles? WOW, that hurts!!)
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To: Radio_Silence; wac3rd; All

Great post,,,

One of my teachers when I was young was Bill Jordan,,,

He only used a .357 magnum,,,wheel gun,,,

His book “No Second Place Winner” is a great read,,,
(if you can find a copy),,,


43 posted on 08/05/2010 4:28:33 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: IamConservative

Also, if you are strictly interested in home defense, consider a Taurus Judge. 6 shot revolver that will chamber .410 shotgun shells and .45 Long Colt. Put in 2-3 .410 buckshot loads backed with .45 Long Colt. Intruder will either be dead or have bleeding ears and a pant load.

I think it is always tempting to buy “one gun for everything.” What you end up doing is compromising on all of your requirements. For example, a good 12 gauge goose gun is probably not a good choice for a 12 gauge home defense gun. You need a long, full choke barrel to goose hunt. In the house, you need a short barrel with a more open bore.

Write all of your requirements down and buy a gun or guns that meet those requirements. Don’t compromise.


44 posted on 08/05/2010 4:41:22 AM PDT by IamConservative (You older gentleman ever sit on your testicles? WOW, that hurts!!)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

You are a very lucky man to have known and learned under Jordan. Without a doubt one of the top, if not best, gun guys of all time.

I do have a copy of the book and thought it was a great read - a lot of very valuable points. I also liked the fact that he seems to have a good sense of humor which I didn’t expect.


45 posted on 08/05/2010 4:42:29 AM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: wac3rd

Go fire a Kimber


46 posted on 08/05/2010 4:44:42 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: HushTX
"Still, I want to get something for my wife, so maybe some FReepers can chime in as to what is a good option for a 4’10 woman with small hands."

I assume this is for conceal carry. Have you considered the Smith and Wesson Ladysmiths?



They are small lightweight and DAO. Perfect for a female's conceal carry needs. I know lots of people love pistols for conceal carry, but I still think a wheelgun is the best thing for this need. Let's face it, if you're going to need it, there won't be a 10 minute long shootout like in the movies. More than likely it will be short and quick and at most a few rounds will be fired. You don't need 15 or 20 rounds if you read the accounts of citizens protecting themselves. If you feel better, you can always carry a speedloader with more rounds.

What I like about a wheelgun is that nowadays they are perfectly safe with the safety transfer bar, no safety to worry about flipping on and no chance of jamming. In other words, with a DAO, just bring the weapon to bear and pull the trigger. That's what you want in a life or death situation and chances are the assailant will be no more than 10 to 15 feet away so the short barrel is not a problem. Would I want this gun for my shooting team shooting NRA bullseye matches? No. But it's a great gun for conceal carry.
47 posted on 08/05/2010 4:45:37 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: wac3rd
.45 ACP is the way to go.

10mm is something of a curiosity. You have to consider ammo availability.

My personal preference is the Colt, but Kimber is very nice. My carry gun is either the Sig P245 or a Colt Combat Commander. I have never liked Glocks - fit and finish don't compare to the Sig or Colt, and trigger guards should only have triggers in them.

48 posted on 08/05/2010 4:56:54 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: wac3rd

Very fond of my Springfield XD40. Good service too. I live
within minutes of both them and Rock River Arms and have
done my best to support the local economy!


49 posted on 08/05/2010 5:13:31 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: wac3rd

Your 9MM is fine, but use frangible ammo for home defense so that you don’t have to worry as much about misses traveling, god forbid, into other rooms or the neighbors. Remember, in home defense your target will be within feet of you. Same idea goes for shotgun; use #4 Buck, devistating in close but won’t carry much energy past the first wall any flyers hit.

I also would stay away from lasers, you could hit a shiny object and “daze” yourself at the worst possible time, not to mention that you also provide the buy guy(s) with a perfect point to aim at.


50 posted on 08/05/2010 5:17:06 AM PDT by SirFishalot
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