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Sometimes, it's best to leave it parked
AutoWeek ^ | Friday, August 6, 2010 | MARK VAUGHN

Posted on 08/06/2010 12:11:22 PM PDT by Willie Green

After driving the new Scion tC in San Diego all day, I got back on the Amtrak Surfliner at 3 p.m. and headed north to Los Angeles, the laptop plugged in to a convenient 120-volt, three-pronged outlet and me typing the whole way. Again, I could look out the window and see, in addition to a one- to two-foot west swell at Trestles, traffic slowly crawling along on Interstate 5. I was glad not to be in a car. Is there anyone who loves driving in stop and go traffic for 128 miles? (One guy said that because I took the train I should not work at a car magazine. How can you argue with logic like that? Sometimes I take airplanes, too. What do the airplanes mean? Don't anyone tell him I have a couple of bicycles.) This time the train was pretty much full, meaning the Surfliner's diesel electric hybrid (not just a diesel) was being used more efficiently.

I got to Union Station a little after 4:30 p.m. and returned to the i-MiEV in the $6-a-day underground parking garage. So the whole trip cost $62.

There were four spaces in the garage for electric vehicles. Two had inductive paddle chargers just in case anyone came by with an EV1 and two had those older RAV4 EV conductive chargers, neither one of which did me any good. Why they didn't have a simple 120-volt plug is beyond me. Heck, why not a simple 240-volt 20-amp plug? With the coming influx of plug-in hybrids and electric cars, such outlets would draw more customers.

As it was I didn't need to plug in. Round trip to and from Union Station was only 33.9 miles and the whole thing used 7 kWh. I waited until 9 p.m. and started charging the i-MiEV. It'll be full at oh-dark-thirty when I head in to work, where I can once again plug in and recharge, now that building management realizes they won't go bankrupt. At least not because of the i-MiEV. If only I could recharge as easily as an electric car.


TOPICS: Travel
KEYWORDS: batteries; cars; congestion; electriccars; greenieweenies; traffic; trains

1 posted on 08/06/2010 12:11:24 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

Now pay back the taxpayers...


2 posted on 08/06/2010 12:17:25 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Willie Green

Horse sh**. I hate trains or any type of public transportation. Give me a car any day.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 12:17:46 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Willie Green

“now that building management realizes they won’t go bankrupt.”

So his building should pay for his fuel?

hey, can we get a free gas station in our parking lot?


4 posted on 08/06/2010 12:18:10 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Willie Green

No, the whole trip did NOT cost $62. The trip cost HIM $62, because taxpayers who fund Amtrack subsidies paid the remainder of the cost he benefited from.

$62 from him and $75 from taxpayers is more likely the true cost of his trip.


5 posted on 08/06/2010 12:19:15 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (California Bankruptcy in 4... 3... 2...)
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To: Willie Green
I got to Union Station a little after 4:30 p.m. and returned to the i-MiEV in the $6-a-day underground parking garage. So the whole trip cost $62.

How much did it cost the taxpayer?

There were four spaces in the garage for electric vehicles. Two had inductive paddle chargers just in case anyone came by with an EV1 and two had those older RAV4 EV conductive chargers, neither one of which did me any good. Why they didn't have a simple 120-volt plug is beyond me. Heck, why not a simple 240-volt 20-amp plug?

It's a taxpayer subsidized project. Does he really have to ask?

6 posted on 08/06/2010 12:20:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: Willie Green

Some times its best to leave it parked on the show room floor.

7 posted on 08/06/2010 12:24:45 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: Willie Green

Well, all is good on planet Starbucks. But for those that don’t live on the train line and type crap for a living, reality intrudes.


8 posted on 08/06/2010 12:26:06 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Willie Green
Big whoop.

Apparently he's unaware there are many folks who are lucky to take home $62 a day after taxes in this country.

9 posted on 08/06/2010 12:27:17 PM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: Willie Green
Great. Not only am I subsidizing this a**holes trip on the train I'm paying for him to charge is electric Obamamobile, too.

You're quite the thief Willie.

10 posted on 08/06/2010 12:27:47 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: calex59

No kidding, I’ll even take an electric car over a train.


11 posted on 08/06/2010 12:33:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

He drove the “Scion” in SD all day ...

for free?

Free perk to Auto writers but not you and me???

A rental car would have cost you and me $50? More?

Take the family, add $200 ???


12 posted on 08/06/2010 12:34:04 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: cripplecreek
No kidding, I’ll even take an electric car over a train.

So what kind of electric car is going to get you 128 miles from SD to LA in stop and go traffic without pulling over somewhere to recharge your batteries?

13 posted on 08/06/2010 12:59:09 PM PDT by Willie Green (“Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.”)
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To: Willie Green

This particular route is one I take, but that’s more a function of failure to expand the highway capacity much in the last several decades. Anyone can make the train option seem more attractive by letting the otherwise-more-desirable car route fall into disrepair.


14 posted on 08/06/2010 1:14:16 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: pogo101
Well mile for mile, railways are less expensive to construct and maintain than highways.
So in the long run, maybe California will have to start converting some of their highways into railways.
Automobiles will never completely disappear, of course.
But with the limited range of those little battery cars, they may some day load their cars onto something like Amtrak's Auto Train to ride from San Diego to San Francisco... or Seattle or Portland.... then they'd have their own personal car to use when they got there.
15 posted on 08/06/2010 1:27:28 PM PDT by Willie Green (“Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.”)
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To: Willie Green

So the TAXPAYERS are subsizing electric charging at the station, and his LANDLORD is paying for it the home.

This idiot doesn’t get it, does he?


16 posted on 08/06/2010 1:37:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: pogo101
Public transportation really sucks, particularly if you live outside the combat zones called big cities. I have found out just how bad it is since I lost partial eyesight several years ago and have to rely on bus/train transportation.

I do want to thank all you who subsidize it, though, since city busses are a lifesaver to me, no matter how bad!

Our little PT here in the Victor Valley operates on about 20% collected fares and the rest on governmental subsidies, and routes operate from 6AM to 7PM,takes two hours to get to where one could in 10 minutes in a car, and never on Sunday. ADA (dial-a-ride, not available to the general public) eats up over half the subsidy while producing less than 5% of revenue!

Greyhound, which is still a private corporation, makes the local transit look great. Amtrak makes two stops per day, before 5AM westbound, and about 11PM eastbound, and thus is nearly useless.

All that being said, after having to give up driving, my monthly expenses dropped dramatically! Altogether, for local bus, taxicab fares and other transp. cost are several hundred a month less than operating an automobile.

Of course, it helps to be retired....lean back and enjoy the two hour trips to and from the grocert store. And buy a monthly pass....

17 posted on 08/06/2010 1:58:15 PM PDT by fantail 1952 ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice")
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To: tcrlaf
This idiot doesn’t get it, does he?

I don't know....
He kinda sounds like those geeks who use to play around with the original Apple or Commodore computers...
And the GOP sounds more and more like those lethargic old luddites who claimed that those "toys" will never capture as much business as the mainframes...

Like it or not... our transportation technology is changing...

18 posted on 08/06/2010 2:04:16 PM PDT by Willie Green (“Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.”)
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To: Willie Green

SO, who paid for the electricity for those Apples and Commodores? You have COMPLETELY missed the point, I see.

(PS- I had my Commodare64 for years before I finally sold it to a collector in 2002. And I paid for the electricity it used.)


19 posted on 08/06/2010 5:33:46 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: tcrlaf
Well the geek says that having different outlets available "would draw more customers."

So from that, I would conclude that he paid for the electricity through some kind of parking meter device or something....
I don't know how you jumped to the conclusion that he didn't pay for the electricity just because he's driving electric cars.

20 posted on 08/06/2010 5:43:18 PM PDT by Willie Green (“Some people march to a different drummer – and some people polka.”)
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To: Willie Green

From the article, which I think you didn’t read?


21 posted on 08/06/2010 6:17:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Obama White House=Tammany Hall on the National Mall)
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To: Willie Green

Gas imports from the ME should be banned. Gas from Alaska should be used in such a way that we ensure that we never have to depend on any Middle Eastern or Venezualan idiot for any % of American fuel. We of course need petrol for plastics, etc. etc, so care should be taken for these.


22 posted on 08/07/2010 4:23:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Willie Green; All

LOL!! Right Willie, the American people going to give up their freedom (i.e. my car) to ride the train...


23 posted on 08/07/2010 4:36:51 AM PDT by KevinDavis (The meek shall inherit the Earth... the rest of us will take the stars!)
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To: calex59
well, it depends on where you live. In NY CITY (specifically if you live in the city limits), it does not make sense to go by car, except for special occasions or otherwise as you'd get stuck in traffic). In Texas, it's the opposite -- a car will get you there faster and more conveniently.

I see that you are from California. What do you think of his statement about the 128 mile traffic jam? And, if I may ask -- do you live and work in an urban or suburban or rural area or live in a suburban and work in an urban area? LA, btw, is a place you NEED a car.
24 posted on 08/07/2010 4:38:06 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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