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Boomers drive shift toward urban living
MSNBC ^ | Sunday, August 8th 2010 | Helen Chernikoff and Al Yoon

Posted on 08/08/2010 2:06:20 PM PDT by Willie Green

ROCKVILLE, Md. — This suburb of Washington, D.C., inspired R.E.M.'s 1984 song about the soul-sucking blandness of a suburban adolescence that has been a staple of rock and roll. "(Don't Go Back to) Rockville" described a town of empty houses, "where nobody says hello."

But some experts in the real estate business believe that in the future, more and more of us will be going back to places like the revamped Rockville — quite happily, in fact.

"They had a point at the time," Sally Sternbach, the head of Rockville's economic development arm, says of R.E.M.'s quiet anthem. "We got it wrong. We built a mall that never found its anchors. It languished for 40 years. It was like the biblical 40 years in the desert."

Then, 15 years ago, Rockville convened hearings and forums to discuss its lackluster downtown, deciding in the end to replace it with a town square lined with shops, restaurants and apartments, all steps away from a subway station — in other words, more of an urban experience.

The citizenry wanted vibrant street life both for the fun of it, and to attract business. So far, it's worked. Teenagers use Facebook to signal spur-of-the-moment breakdance sessions on the town square's bandstand because, as Dominique Estrera, 17, explained, it's really the only place they can "hang out and break."

Adults like to socialize there, too. "I love the Town Square because I can't walk more than a couple feet without seeing someone I know from doing business," said Robin Wiener, president of Get Real Consulting, a firm that helps healthcare providers put their records online.

Rockville's renaissance over the past four years shows how the shift toward urban-style living has reached the suburbs. And urban planners insist the trend has legs.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: boomers

1 posted on 08/08/2010 2:06:24 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: All

Sorry I don’t care.. I prefer to live in suburbs and work in the suburbs..


2 posted on 08/08/2010 2:11:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis (President Obama: The Crybaby in Chief...)
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To: Willie Green

“I love the Town Square because I can’t walk more than a couple feet without seeing someone I know from doing business,” said Robin Wiener

Precisely what I DON’T want when I’m out for a walk (or any other reason). Give me the ‘burbs...


3 posted on 08/08/2010 2:17:30 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Willie Green

Rockville is 50% Hispanic, mostly from central America. English is definitely a secondary language.


4 posted on 08/08/2010 2:22:59 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Willie Green

I’m quite a few years from boomerdome.

That said, looking at the current path the government is taking, the last thing I’d do in my twilight years is make it easier to be controlled by the government.

It’s bad enough that most boomers are going to be living off social security as a primary income source. Now move to a an urban area where transportation options can be limited (for the common good of course) and incoming people/products/medicine can be more easily controlled?

No thanks.

I want to be as far away from the cities as reasonably possible and as self-sufficient as I can when the wheels come off this bus that was the USA...


5 posted on 08/08/2010 2:32:03 PM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: central_va

Rockville is only 13% Hispanic according to the most recent figures (58% White & 19% Asian).


6 posted on 08/08/2010 2:32:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Willie Green

The Elite want us to live in central locations for easier control. We don’t need gasoline-powered cars with range and independence — short-range electrical cars are fine. Social Services, much needed by the 20% of the population which is unemployed, are more easily distributed in urban centers. Nature must reclaim the suburbs and return them to wilderness. People were meant to live in high-rise apartments.


7 posted on 08/08/2010 2:32:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Look at the whole county (Mont.), also illegals are never officially counted. When NoVa cracked down on illegals where do you think they went?


8 posted on 08/08/2010 2:36:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It is possible to drive from Rockville south down Viers Mill Rd. through Wheaton Md. to Ga. Ave. to the beltway and not see one white person.


9 posted on 08/08/2010 2:39:44 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Willie Green

The preacher man says it’s the end of time

And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry

The interest is up and the Stock Markets down

And you only get mugged

If you go downtown

I live back in the woods, you see

A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me

I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive

And a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive


10 posted on 08/08/2010 2:43:12 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: central_va

I’m not arguing the point over the problem with illegals (since my area certainly has been), only just citing the figures here for the city itself. As for illegals not officially being counted, that is wrong, they are (for census purposes) officially required to be counted — I don’t actually believe they should be (or rather, to the point, if they are, that they should not count with respect to political representation, only legal citizens should).


11 posted on 08/08/2010 2:49:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Willie Green
Teenagers use Facebook to signal spur-of-the-moment breakdance sessions on the town square's bandstand

...soon to be followed by gunfire, multiple stabbings and widespread vandalism. The Aspen Hill thugs are movin' on up.
12 posted on 08/08/2010 2:53:54 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
As for illegals not officially being counted, that is wrong, they are

Ok, is this how you feel about it. Reality is they are not counted. I am in that area a lot. I am telling you the truth.

13 posted on 08/08/2010 2:54:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

Wheaton is little Guatemala...


14 posted on 08/08/2010 2:57:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Again, they are legally required to be counted... now whether they are ALL counted is dubious. But Democrats WANT them counted, especially in places like Rockville, because they want the tax largesse that comes with it. It’s all of that which needs to be changed.


15 posted on 08/08/2010 2:59:09 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well you can say I am lying but from first hand knowledge 13% is pure Barbara Streisand, it’s laughable.


16 posted on 08/08/2010 3:01:17 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Willie Green

I couldn’t be more pleased. The fewer folks that move out to the country, the better.

I have mountains, steams, rivers, lakes, trees and saltwater all around me. Having more neighbors that don’t know how to live out here could spoil it for those of us that love it. I don’t need city folks bitching about my chickens, my shooting, deer killing, critters and dogs.

Let them eat concrete.


17 posted on 08/08/2010 3:11:46 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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To: central_va

I didn’t accuse you of lying, I’m just citing what the estimates say. For Montgomery County for the 2006-08 period, the figures were for about 14.4% Hispanic (135,000). For Rockville proper, they have it at 13.3% or roughly 7,500 people. For there to be 50% of the city proper, there’d be 30,000 of them — but then you’d have had a mass exodus of non-Hispanics or a massive increase in the number of housing stock. The numbers obviously have increased since, regardless, they certainly have where I live.


18 posted on 08/08/2010 3:13:52 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Willie Green
boondocks forever...
19 posted on 08/08/2010 3:48:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Gator113

I just read your post to my husband, who then asked:”Did you write that? You could’ve.”

Well, except for the saltwater and mountains part. We have old mountains (hills) and lots of fresh water, instead.

Otherwise, I do agree.


20 posted on 08/08/2010 3:57:02 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: central_va

As one who lived there, you’re wrong.


21 posted on 08/08/2010 4:02:57 PM PDT by kristinn (Since Jul 31, 1998)
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To: kristinn

I live in the area. Rockville has its good points but there are many not-so-good. High taxes. Unrelenting LIBs and govt workers everywhere. Excessive spending (of other peoples’ money) always on the “best” or “first”. Gobs of illegals. A housing-chit program so socio-economic levels can “blend”. Lots of crime. No hope for ANY conservative idea to survive for a second. Arrogant, mindless politicians (i.e., Rep. van hollen, sens. mikulski & cardin). In short...this place is forsaken.


22 posted on 08/08/2010 4:25:06 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: reformedliberal

We are the lucky ones and they will never understand... and that is good. ;>)


23 posted on 08/08/2010 4:25:39 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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To: kristinn

Which part did you live in and WHEN did you live there. It has changed rapidly.


24 posted on 08/08/2010 4:40:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I didn’t accuse you of lying, I’m just citing what the estimates say. For Montgomery County for the 2006-08 period,

When did you last visit Montgomery Co. MD? If it wasn't in the last 5-10 years you would be SHOCKED.

25 posted on 08/08/2010 4:42:49 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I don’t need to go to MontCo to see illegals, I can just look out a window of my house.


26 posted on 08/08/2010 4:45:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Would you like me to photo document what I am talking about? There are 7,500 Hispanics in Twinbrook alone. You have no clue.


27 posted on 08/08/2010 4:45:16 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I don’t need to go to MontCo to see illegals, I can just look out a window of my house.

Please you should STFU then, since you are quoting stats that are total lies.

28 posted on 08/08/2010 4:46:36 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I accept your apology for being a complete prick. Have a nice day.


29 posted on 08/08/2010 4:48:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I accept your apology for being a complete prick. Have a nice day.

When somebody gives me fist hand information I usually listen to them, not try to counter dict them on a public forum.

30 posted on 08/08/2010 4:52:03 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
It is possible to drive from Rockville south down Viers Mill Rd. through Wheaton Md. to Ga. Ave. to the beltway and not see one white person.

I have family on both Veirs Mill Road and Georgia Avenue, so I see that area regularly. You are describing someplace else. Or maybe you just like to exaggerate.

31 posted on 08/08/2010 6:04:36 PM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: Steve0113

Go to the intersection of University and Viers Mill Rd at say 7:00 AM on any workday and find ONE white person, ONE.


32 posted on 08/08/2010 6:11:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: KevinDavis

The new Rockville town center, if you could call Rockville a city...is quite nicely done. It replaced an ugly aging structure and quite a bit of suburban blight. This is however not the city, and the area the new development covers is quite small, has some shopping a movie theatre and restaurants. It’s also close to the Montgomery county offices and the courthouses.

I think what the author of this articles should have said, is that city or townscape retail/commercial architecture has made a comeback in suburbia. There is tons of this style going up, extending as far out as the exurbs. Nobody is building shopping malls anymore. The closest thing are box centers, and the mini townscape shopping centers surrounded by parking lots is the new commercial style.


33 posted on 08/09/2010 12:00:10 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: hal ogen

As a person who grew up in Rockville and with my parents still living there, you’re way wrong about crime.


34 posted on 08/10/2010 1:03:39 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Read the free Gazette weekly police report. Crime is there. Usually by various “people of color”. Not to be racist or anything.


35 posted on 08/10/2010 4:42:37 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp)
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