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No lead?
democratherald ^ | 7 Aug 2010 | Hasso Hering

Posted on 08/09/2010 8:47:43 AM PDT by smokingfrog

The federal Environmental Protection Agency has received a petition to ban lead in hunting ammunition and fishing tackle, and Oregon wildlife officials are watching with some concern.

Also worried are people in the shooting sports.

“This is a serious issue for anyone who likes to target practice, shoot for fun or enjoy hunting, and will be a huge impact on shooting ranges across the nation,” said Mike McCarter, range master of the Albany Rifle and Pistol Club, which maintains a range at Saddle Butte east of Shedd.

“We are energizing our membership to send letters to the EPA in opposition of this petition,” McCarter said in an e-mail.

A coalition of conservation and other groups filed the petition with the EPA in Washington last Tuesday in order, they said, to stop lead from poisoning birds that may ingest the metal in the wild. They say thousands of tons of lead are left in the environment each year from spent bullets and fishing gear such as sinkers, and they say studies have shown harmful efefcts in eagles and other wildlife.

The EPA has 90 days from Tuesday to decide whether to ban the manufacture, processing and distribution in commerce of lead shot, bullets and fishing sinkers.

Opponents say substitute material would raise the price of hunting and fishing equipment, leading to fewer people hunting and fishing and cutting into the money available for wildlife management.

At CNS Firearms in Albany, co-owner Kevin Manske cites one example: A box of 50 rounds of one kind of .223 caliber lead-free ammo retails for $30, compared to about $20 for the same number of the regular kind.

The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife has been monitoring the issue of lead ammunition for some time, ...

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1 posted on 08/09/2010 8:47:45 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
I know it would be too much to ask for peer-reviewed documentation of any harm caused to wildlife by lead fishing tackle or rifle bullets.

The Left only demands peer-review when they control the peer-review process.

2 posted on 08/09/2010 8:49:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democracy aims at equality in liberty. Socialism desires equality in constraint and in servitude.)
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To: smokingfrog

Looks like it’s time to buy another 10,000 rounds of my favorite calibers.


3 posted on 08/09/2010 8:50:01 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: smokingfrog

Okay, copper jacketed depleted Uranium is fine...........


4 posted on 08/09/2010 8:51:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: smokingfrog

““We are energizing our membership to send letters to the EPA”

They couldn’t care less about your letters and petitions! I know because I’m regulated by them.


5 posted on 08/09/2010 8:52:52 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: smokingfrog

There is absolutely NO provision in The US Constitution for federal agencies(like the EPA)to be granted such sweeping powers dictating to people how to lead their lives(low-flo toilets,lead-free ammo etc.,etc.,).This agency should either be dismanteled or it’s scope VASTLY reduced!The same goes for The Department of Education!!


6 posted on 08/09/2010 8:53:32 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: smokingfrog

I bought a package of “lead-free” sinkers in three ounce size for fluke fishing in the river. They are apparently of cast iron and about half again as large as lead sinkers.


7 posted on 08/09/2010 8:53:53 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty too! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The rockchucker’s just a’smokin’! Mo’ brass! Mo’ lead! Mo’ powder!


8 posted on 08/09/2010 8:53:53 AM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: smokingfrog
"Thousands of tons"?? Where do these figures originate other than in the minds of the environmentalist and societal busybodies? That's a heckava lot of sinkers and lead shot...
9 posted on 08/09/2010 8:58:14 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: JimRed
I bought a package of “lead-free” sinkers in three ounce size for fluke fishing in the river.

Lead-free snickers! mmmmm Oh! Never mind. ;-)

10 posted on 08/09/2010 8:58:53 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: smokingfrog

This is poppycock...just another sideways attempt to destroy the 2nd amendment.


11 posted on 08/09/2010 9:23:24 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Here we go again... The same “science” that brought us the ban on DDT (resulting in millions of additional deaths since then due to mosquito-born disease).

The same “science” that brings us “global warming” (or coming ice age according to the same folks 30-40 years ago)...

The same “science” that brought us “Cap and Trade” tax...

There are areas here in Arkansas where you have to use “non-toxic” shot to hunt rabbits and squirrels - because these areas are in a particular watershed - connected to a protected area where waterfowl congregate.

What is interesting to me - some of the alternative metals for use in bullets... make them more likely to be “armor piercing”, but also make them less suitable for hunting... Nothing has the combined traits of lead that make it the perfect core for bullets - weight/harness/ease of handling. Technology has come up with some acceptable lead-alternatives in waterfowl loads (tungsten-based alloys being one example). But for the combination of expansion and down-range energy, lead has no equal.


12 posted on 08/09/2010 9:29:11 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: smokingfrog
Non lead shot and bullets will probably result in a higher percentage of non kills. After they out law lead they will then move to out law hunting altogether because of the high percentage of wounded animals. No hunting, then they will go the “no need for firearms at all” route. This may be a stretch but then again it may not.
13 posted on 08/09/2010 9:38:06 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: smokingfrog

A wise Freeper posted earlier that if lead munitions residue was dangerous, then Europe would be a toxic waste dump (instead of having abundant agriculture, and long-lived people).


14 posted on 08/09/2010 9:42:49 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: TheBattman
Metallic lead is not water-soluble.

But the Left would never let mere chemistry stand in the way of environmental demagoguery.

15 posted on 08/09/2010 9:43:59 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democracy aims at equality in liberty. Socialism desires equality in constraint and in servitude.)
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To: Red Badger
>>>depleted Uranium is fine...........<<<

Bingo!

These folks better watch out what they wish for - where there is a will, we will find a way.

16 posted on 08/09/2010 10:18:30 AM PDT by HardStarboard (If the Gulf had happened on Bush's watch - he'd have been drawn and quartered.)
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To: smokingfrog

I cast my own bullets and have about 800 to 900 pounds of lead in the basement. Does that mean they will classify my house as a toxic waste dump and bulldoze it?


17 posted on 08/09/2010 10:32:15 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: smokingfrog

The day draws nigh when lead will be used for more than sporting purposes.


18 posted on 08/09/2010 10:52:13 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: smokingfrog

Trying to kill two birds with one stone here? Ban lead under the premise it harms the environment and take out the ammo all at the same time. Go pound lead, EPA.


19 posted on 08/09/2010 10:53:22 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November from my HOUSE!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
...of any harm caused to wildlife by lead fishing tackle or rifle bullets.

Swans are notorius for getting hook, line and sinker stuck in their throats. But if you say that in the wrong quarters, they start talking about banning fishing line, which I'm certain kills lots of animals.

20 posted on 08/09/2010 10:54:13 AM PDT by gundog (Why is it that useful idiots remain idiots long after they've exhausted their usefulness?)
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To: gundog
Swans are notorius for getting hook, line and sinker stuck in their throats. But if you say that in the wrong quarters, they start talking about banning fishing line, which I'm certain kills lots of animals.

All animals are notorious for getting killed on roadways by vehicles, therefore, let's ban all vehicles.

21 posted on 08/09/2010 11:24:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
...let's ban all vehicles.

They're working on it.

22 posted on 08/09/2010 11:33:31 AM PDT by gundog (Why is it that useful idiots remain idiots long after they've exhausted their usefulness?)
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To: jim_trent
I cast my own bullets and have about 800 to 900 pounds of lead in the basement. Does that mean they will classify my house as a toxic waste dump and bulldoze it?

Let's just say that it would be really good if they didn't know it was there.

23 posted on 08/09/2010 11:55:40 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why not ban animals instead?


24 posted on 08/09/2010 11:56:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Actually, they are energetically documenting all urban wildlife. The possibilities for control of human use of these areas abound, but then, so do the unforeseen consequences of uncontrolled varmints and predators.


25 posted on 08/09/2010 12:13:33 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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