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7 Ways the Automatic IRA Would Impact Retirement Savers
US News & World Report ^ | August 11, 2010 | Emily Brandon

Posted on 08/12/2010 5:58:45 AM PDT by PMAS

Senator Jeff Bingaman, a New Mexico democrat, introduced the Automatic IRA Act of 2010 last week. The new legislation would require all firms with 10 or more employees that don't already offer a retirement plan to automatically enroll workers in an IRA. Workers who don't wish to participate would need to take action to opt out or change the default contribution amount and investments. Here's a look at how this bill, if passed, would affect you: Standardized 3 percent savings rate. Employees age 18 and older who have been employed for at least three months would be automatically enrolled in an IRA. The bill currently sets 3 percent of a worker's paycheck as the default amount that would be withheld and directly deposited into an Automatic IRA account.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: 2takeenterprise; 2takefreedomaway; 2takelibertyaway; 4thecommongood

1 posted on 08/12/2010 5:58:47 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: PMAS

This is step one toward an nationalized retirement program like Argentina’s failed program


2 posted on 08/12/2010 5:59:52 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: PMAS
Progressive Fascism in action
3 posted on 08/12/2010 6:01:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: PMAS

Better yet, let’s take one half of the employee contribution to Social Security and deposit it in an IRA for the employee; the IRA belongs to the employee and moves with the employee if he changes jobs. The IRA would contain real money rather than BS Trust-me fund IOU’s in a lockbox.


4 posted on 08/12/2010 6:03:47 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: PMAS
Just more accounts to turn into Government Annuities when the time comes...And it is coming!
5 posted on 08/12/2010 6:04:08 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: PMAS

BOHICA!!!


6 posted on 08/12/2010 6:04:40 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: VRWCmember

Agreed...in fact we should’ve done that THIRTY YEARS AGO.


7 posted on 08/12/2010 6:04:49 AM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: PMAS

Exactly! Its all about having control of your money. They can;t do that unless its easy to access. I wonder though how many people understand this.


8 posted on 08/12/2010 6:05:40 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: RockinRight

Well, if I remember correctly somebody proposed something pretty similar to that 8 years ago and was pilloried for it in the media.


9 posted on 08/12/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: PMAS

is this the same buffoon who wanted automatic organ donation?


10 posted on 08/12/2010 6:10:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: PMAS
Lessee here...

Mandated health insurance...
Mandated IRA...

What's next, mandated dental insurance? Mandated home cooking menu? Personal hygiene? Hair care? Number of squares of toilet paper?

11 posted on 08/12/2010 6:11:58 AM PDT by CPOSharky (They ain't "illegals." They are just unregistered democrats.)
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To: PMAS

So tell me why anyone would want to open a business in today’s USA?


12 posted on 08/12/2010 6:12:02 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

It’s for the children. The enviroment.

Whatever. Cough it up, it’s law, we got guys with guns and were going to shut you down. Or else.

Signed.

The Government.

ps.

No more bitch’n about were it is. We ‘invested’ it, OK?.


13 posted on 08/12/2010 6:13:33 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: PMAS

In the past I would have asked why the Senator didn’t seem to understand what a devastating impact such legislation would have on private sector hiring and growth prospects. But now I know better, as do many of you: he does not care. His purpose (and that of the Senator’s colleagues) is the opposite: to destroy and control, not to create and liberate.


14 posted on 08/12/2010 6:14:58 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

So tell me why anyone would want to open a business in today’s USA?


The only reason I can think of is ignorance.


15 posted on 08/12/2010 6:21:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PMAS
The new legislation would require all firms with 10 or more employees...

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of federal laws based on employee count? My brother's company stayed at 49 employees to keep from hitting some federal law that kicked in at 50 people. He and everyone else were working 60+ hour weeks to keep up (this was before the crash) and could have easily hired 20 more people to handle the work, but wouldn't because of the law.

16 posted on 08/12/2010 6:24:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
So tell me why anyone would want to open a business in today’s USA?

Because they are really close friends with a member of Congress who just happens to be a chairman of a powerful committee.

17 posted on 08/12/2010 6:33:05 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: PMAS

Did it not occur to that communist that perhaps if he hadn’t voted to RAISE TAXES that we MIGHT actually have some extra money to save for the future?


18 posted on 08/12/2010 6:33:31 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
Did it not occur to that communist

He is exactly what you described. When Tip Oneal was alive Bingman had a higher ADA rating than Tip.

19 posted on 08/12/2010 6:40:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: PMAS
People are too stoopid to save for themselves.

They should follow the example of the federal government, which NEVER spends money it doesn't have.

20 posted on 08/12/2010 6:43:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.)
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To: PMAS

This plan is very similar to the Chilean plan. If it were combined with a ten year phaseout of Social Security it would be a total winner.


21 posted on 08/12/2010 6:57:08 AM PDT by appeal2 (Don't steal, the government hates competition.)
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To: RockinRight

you may wish to learn more about it first...

“The 401(k) will turn out to be the greatest systemic financial hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
- William Wollman, The Great 401(k) Hoax

http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/7938/


http://market-ticker.org/archives/1830-401kIRA-Screw-Job-Coming.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/5504137/Argentina_seizes_pension_funds_to_pay_debts_Whos_next/


THERE USED TO BE A VIDEO OF CONGRESS DISCUSSING THEIR PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE IRA’S, BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH “BLOOMBURG” WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SCRUB IT FOR US

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...et-losses.html

One proposal raised by Iwry as co-author of a paper while at the Retirement Security Project, before joining the administration, has reached Congress. A bill requiring employers to report 401(k) savings both as an account balance and as a stream of income based on an annuity was introduced on Dec. 3 by Senators Jeff Bingaman, a New Mexico Democrat, Johnny Isakson, a Georgia Republican, and Herb Kohl, a Wisconsin Democrat.

Promoting annuities may benefit companies that provide them through employers, or sell them directly to individuals, such as AIG-American International Group Inc., the insurer that has received $182.3 billion in government aid.

If It’s Just a Matter Of Requiring an Additional Choice, That’s OK, But REQUIRING IT is unconstitutional. Without a signature from the owner, I don’t believe they could legally TAKE the money and convert it into anything without violating the constitution. Therefore, before anything would actually happen, a lot of legal hurdles would have to be overcome.

I’m trying to visualize how this government seizure might take place:
Obviously, these are just my thoughts:

1. Employers would be required to offer annuity conversion of all 401k balances.
2. The govt would only allow tax deduction on contributions converted to an annuity. All contributions made to any 401k account, (not set up as an annuity status), would not be tax deductable and would not qualify as contributions that could be matched by an employer.
3. In the event that the indiviual didn’t want to convert to annuity status, he would not be able to receive any distributions as lump-sum payments and limits would be placed on the size of any distribution. (this would cover people who are just about to take distributions at age 59-1/2). It would also prevent anyone from rolling over their 401k before age 59-1/2.
4. Once the indiviual reached a certain age, (say, 70-1/2), he would be required to set up the 401k as an annuity. (this would cover people who are already taking distributions at age 70-1/2). This is the part I would think would be extremely difficult to implement unless the constitution were modified. They can’t simply make you sign your own property away unless there is some kind of imminent domain precedent, but that only relates to property such as land or buildings. I can’t see how you could be forced to hand over your cash unless it fell under some kind of confiscation law already on the books.

I suppose, some of all 401k balances is legally OWNED by the Federal Government as taxes have not yet been paid. It seems to me the only legal right they have would be to require an immediate payment of all taxes owed. This would be an accounting nightmare, as in each tax year the balance was under a status of “401k funds”, varying taxes and capital gains were not paid. Also, loans and money removed for education etc. would add to the impossible tax calculations.

Of course, the reason for this is inheritance. The govt. wants the principal when you die. The annuity would cover a spouce, but I’m sure it could not be passed on to a son or daughter or any living relative named in a will.

Retirement plans, including 401(k) accounts, held $3.6 trillion in assets at the end of the second quarter of 2009, while annuity investments of all kinds totaled about $2.3 trillion, according to figures from the Washington-based Investment Company Institute, a trade association for asset managers.

This is going to be one of the most contested battles to ever take place in US history if this becomes reality. Afterall, the net worth of the nation is at stake.


22 posted on 08/12/2010 7:10:58 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: VRWCmember

I seem to remember that too...


23 posted on 08/12/2010 8:10:55 AM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: appeal2
This plan is very similar to the Chilean plan.

Very faintly similar. The main "feature" of this is that the default investment option will be a Treasury bond. All the easier for Congress to run up deficits!

24 posted on 08/12/2010 10:25:41 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: Texas Fossil

wasn’t his wife asst AG in the Clinton admin?


25 posted on 08/12/2010 10:31:01 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: PMAS

Neah. This is a TAX: “You WILL buy our worthless bonds.”

It also allows them to look at further gutting Social Security by turning into Social Security “Insurance:” “We don’t care how much you paid in, you ain’t gettin’ anything out, ‘cause you’re not poor enough.”


26 posted on 08/12/2010 10:41:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: nascarnation

His wife Ann was an assistant to Janet Reno. She got a gig with Global Crossing to do their FCC paperwork, just prior to the expiration of the Clinton administration. For 6-months of work Global Crossing paid her 2.6 mil. (Yes the same Global Crossing went bankrupt less than a year later) She took that money, which was a payoff for favors from her husband, and got a low interest minority loan in DC to buy the remnants of the old GTE phone system (it was my phone system until a local coop came to town). These are evil extreme leftie cretin. I know Jeff personally, he beat a friend of mine when he was first elected to the Senate.


27 posted on 08/12/2010 8:23:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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