Skip to comments.Thoughts on a good carry gun (caliber, make) and holster type.
Posted on 08/13/2010 9:46:25 AM PDT by Pessimist
Seems like a bit of a slow news day, so I thought I'd crank out my first vanity.
I've been shooting for a couple of years now (since around October of '08 - go figure) and I'm looking at getting my CCW. I'd like some opinions of caliber / make and also holster options and ramifications.
To me the most likely choice for carry out of thiose would be the 1911. (The 9mm is kinda thick due to the double stack magazine.).
But I'd be down with buying a new weapon too. :)
Also, I have no idea what the practial factors are for holster choice.
PS: Just to stir the pot, I'd even consider .380...
Forgot to add, This thread won’t get any replies. /BANG SAR
I carry a Sig P220 which is a large frame .45 ACP.
To ‘conceal’ this, it means wearing the right clothing.
I also carry one extra mag as well. That’s easily concealed. That makes 15 rounds available.
I like the .45 ACP with personal defense rounds because it WILL stop a threat in a ‘combat accuracy’ situation. The 9mm requires better placement. The .380 requires you hit them with the weapon after you expend all your rounds. ;-p
Can’t beat a 1911.
But there are other good choices. I favor calibers .40 and larger.
Back when I did own guns I carried a Glock 23.
Just stick your 1911 behind your belt buckle, and nobody will mess with you.
when I pack around town it usually is my little Colt Mustang .380 slipped into the pocket of my ubiquitous tactical vest.
when I slip into the woods behind my hunting camp where black bears occasionally habitate...I carry my 1911A1 1943 Remington/Rand or a Ruger old model Vaquero in .45 long colt with 300 grain supersonic loads worked up for Ruger/Contender....either one worn conventionally on my pant belt hidden by my ubiquitous tactical vest.
Kimber Ulta carry 45...great weapon, super easy to shoot with crimson trace grips...it won’t let you down.
or and I know people will say crap about this...The Judge is an excellent handgun with a lot of stopping power. Advantage: as a revolver it won’t jam, super easy to cock and go. Trigger pull is very short. Most people that comment negatively about the Judge haven’t fired one.
In self-defense the critical zone is less than 20 yards and the fight is over in 2-3 shots. You want as much firepower as you can deliver onto the target as quick as you can.
When you look at Hornady critical defense rounds for the 45 it is hard to consider anything else. Winchester and Federal also make some great rounds for these weapons as well.
Once you fire a Kimber it is hard to shoot anything else.
.45 acp. Why? ‘Cause they don’t make a .46.
Holster? Anything from Mitch Rosen. (preferrably inside the waistband)
I’m a revolver guy, but maybe just because I’m old. For an automatic, I like double actions with visible hammer, like a Sig or H&K, and prefer heavy slow bullets to light and fast, like .45 acp for auto, or .44 special revolver. The more bells and whistles your gun has, the more ways there are to screw up when you’re under stress. The main thing is, get a gun of a manageable size that you’ll actually carry consistently-a five shot .38 in your pocket is worth alot more than 2 high capacity auto-loaders in your glove box.
Love the judge!
Throw some .410 shot in the first two barrels, and .45 in the other three.
If that don’t stop em, it’s just not your day.
Carry options revolve around a lot of variables. For instance, the best handgun to carry in the winter time when you’re wearing a jacket and heavy clothes may not be the best option during the summer time when you’re in shorts and a t-shirt.
One thing I would recommend is to consider the wheelgun. With all revolvers having a safety transfer bar it is physically impossible for an accidental discharge. You don’t have to worry about jams or thumb safies. Just point and shoot. In a life or death situation, the simpler the better.
People talk about the extra round capacity of pistols but the fact remains that the vast majority of incidents where someone does actually fire, only a few rounds are actually fired. If it makes you feel safer, you can always carry an extra moon clip worth of rounds.
For the caliber the recoil is managed quite well. It is a very accurate weapon as well. I love it as well.
Thank God for that... wish everyday was...wait? Anyway, I live in NJ where carry is impossible unless you are buddies with Obambi/Lautenberg, but when I go to Philadelphia I need to throw something in my pocket because NJ will not even allow for a loaded gun in the trunk!! So I have to have something small and quick to throw in my pocket without anyone being suspicious... a Ruger .380 which has some punch to it for a "Little" gun. However, if I could walk out of the house with my gun holstered I would carry my Springfield XD Sub Compact 9 with me. I got a nice "Crossbreed" holster and love it... just wish carry would come here (Shall issue) to NJ!!
Untill I accidentally mess with myself! :)
As for holster, I recommend a shoulder rig for winter time/heavy clothes where it’s easily concealed. In the summertime I recommend an inside the waistband (IWB) holster.
Glad to see someone else who can appreciate a .380.
I know people rail on ‘em, but I still wouldn’t want to face one.
I like your choice of holster in that pic.
Check out this little .410 pistol.
“I carry a Sig P220 which is a large frame .45 ACP.”
I’ve tried a few Sigs, but they seem too light for me. All my weapons so far are heavy metal.
Kimber .45, 3”.
Hollow points, makes bigger holes upon entrance and can fragment.
The best firearm is the one that consistently puts the bullet where you want it to go.
Go to a good gun store or show in the clothes you are most likely to be wearing when carrying and try on some options. Are you willing to wear vest or Hawaian shirt to cover or a fanny pack. Want to carry a fake Bible or Day Planner? Special purse with quick access flap? Depending on size/weight of gun chosen best option is usually something inside waist band but you need to prctice getting shirt or jacket out of way. For smaller guns there are some pocket holsters that keep gun in proper position and remove any imprinting. Again you need to practice getting the gun out, practice first unloaded please! I kinda like a shoulder holster but that requires a jacket which sucks in the summer in Houston. A plain brown paper bag will do the job as long as it doesn’t get wet, but that’s just tacky.
I’ve heard nothing but good about Kimbers (other than the price).
The the Ulra carry 45 a small frame 1911, or is it to different design entirely?
I would go with any good compact 9mm or .40 with high-capacity mags and a short (3-in.) barrel (Springfield XD series or Smith & Wesson M&P) or a compact .45 ACP (Kimbers are perhaps the best quality, but pricey). Your needs will likely vary with seasonal temperature/clothing.
Tucker gunleather - Texas Heritage or "The Secret."
Look at the .410 shot pattern on a paper target. Hart to see! Looks like little pin pricks. Would it stop someone or just piss them off. Put in Colt .45, instead.
Look at the .410 shot pattern on a paper target. Hard to see! Looks like little pin pricks. Would it stop someone or just piss them off. Put in Colt .45, instead.
I’ve fallen in love with my wheel gun too!
I’ve seriously thought about a .38 special snub nose or something long those lines for carry.
I’m not to concerned if its only a 5 or 6 shot, because I don’t forsee WW3 on the street corner. Plus, you can’t argue with reliablility.
My favorite holster that I use exclusively for concealed carry is a Kholster. It is not pretty, but it is not suppose to be seen. Also it works well with my shirt tucked in or out.
I carry a Glock 30 45acp although my Glock 21 fits the holster and works just as well.
The Kholster is very comfortable and I forget I am wearing it. It also is made for many popular models of guns.
I bought my first Kimber on the advice of two police officers.
They had run more than 3,500 rounds through theirs, with no cleaning and each had only one failure.
I thought it was sacrilegious to do that to such a beautiful gun.
I bought one and decided to replicate their experiment. Made me nervous.
Cleaned for the first time after 3,000 rounds and one failure.
I will never do that to a gun again but it does demonstrate the reliability of the weapon and gives me confidence in it’s performance.
I just saw another version yesterday (forget the name) also by Taurus that was like the judge, but smaller, sorta snub nosed. Looked carryable.
Well, don’t do that! ;>)
My favorite is a Springfield Subcompact 40 S&W with a Crimson Trace laser in a Crossbreed IWB holster. I can carry this thing under a tee shirt and it’s totally concealed.
“In the summertime I recommend an inside the waistband (IWB) holster.”
So where do you wear such a holster? Around back? On the side?
Doesn’t that kinda “stick out”?
I fully breakdown and clean my guns after every use regardless of how many rounds.
The Kimber is a magnificant piece of hardware it feels completely natural in your hand and super well balanced and I can empty a clip very click with a decent grouping.
Go to a local dealer and fire one. Actually wait until you put it in your hand - you will know at that moment.
The 1911 Combat Commander with lightweight frame is a good tradeoff. Heavy where it counts, quick recovery from recoil, not harsh at all. I hide one of those with more comfort than hiding a J-frame revolver; summer or winter. Dark tee under, if you don't want the gunmetal against your skin, or dark tee over, and that's enough. I usually wear a tee, then a light buttondown shirt.
I'm short and skinny. Bald too, but that doesn't affect hiding something around my waistline - unless people are transfixed on my chromedome.
You have all the heavies you need, try this for when you need to wear for long.
Get two even and learn to go lefty and righty!
A 12 gauge pump in the trunk doesn't hurt any either, along with a case of ammo.
it is enough to stop most homosapiens...(granted not all especially if shot placement is off...)
I have a safe full of weapons and it is the only one that I dont mind lugging around all day....
Since then, I've purchased a Model 22 (1917 45ACP revolver -remake), a 1917 US Army 45ACP (real), and a Model 10 38 Special +P...I really love the Model 10. I have a good old style holster where the flap folds back around and through the belt and snaps around the front body of the holster (doesn't require removing your belt). The Model 10 comes with a factory installed Hogue Rubber Grip - nice. This is the one I carry in my glove box with about 4-5 quickloaders nearby...
You bring up another point: cleaning.
Thus far I strip and clean after each trip to the range. That can get tedious sometimes.
I usually shoot once a week. I wonder if I could stretch the cleaning to every other week.
What’s a 1911? My wife is looking for a self defence pistol and we saw some 380’s that felt good to her. One was a Kel-tek.
Btw...I find the Kimber clips to be unmatched. They are truly awesome.
Devil Dog, way back in the olden days my grandpappy gave me a S&W Revolver in 32Long. 7 1/2 inch barrel. I got very very accurate with it. Of course, I never tried it on an enraged wild boar, or the urban equivalent.
I recently got a Ruger 3101 in 327 Mag. and lemme tell you, this thing is definitely worth considering. No big recoil;, very little muzzle blast, and at 50 feet, you can put 6 in a hole no bigger than a silver dollar. The numbers are impressivel, putting out the same energy as a 9MM .. and you can shoot any .32 in it, Long, S&W, HR 32 MAg, for cheap practice. And it’s very concealable.
OK, it’s not a .50 Desert Eagle, but I’m telling you it’s ....Way cool... and ought to be a good defense weapon. Decent, controllable power.
“Special purse with quick access flap?”
I don’t swing that way!!! :)
It has a round with 5 lead balls, at 10 feet the person is DOA.
I’d use slugs myself.
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