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Are Liberals More Intelligent than Conservatives? (another broken study says so)
TheIronShrink.com ^ | April 7, 2010 | Dr. Shawn Smith

Posted on 08/14/2010 1:39:36 AM PDT by ransomnote

In psychology’s latest assault on American conservatives, evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa has determined that “very liberal” people possess nearly a 12 point IQ advantage over those who identify as “very conservative.” Not only is the hard left more intelligent than the hard right, but they are smarter than everyone else, as well – mainstream conservative, middle-of-the-road, and even mainstream liberal.

In a blog posting at the Psychology Today website, Kanazawa baldly asserted that,

“...apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life” (emphasis in original).

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On his website, this psychologist has taken apart other fake studies slandering conservatives in well written analysis that help me rebut lefties. This is the first study I have seen focusing on hard lefties as 'superior' beings.
1 posted on 08/14/2010 1:39:39 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

I have a business degree, could join MENSA tomorrow and was in military intelligence. I never met a liberal in intelligence, except for some CIA Ivy League types. Ain’t buyin’ it!


2 posted on 08/14/2010 1:49:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: ransomnote

Oxymoron. A “smart” Leftist. I they were truly smart, they wouldn’t be Leftists IMHO.


3 posted on 08/14/2010 1:58:32 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: ransomnote

And to prove it, they voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

Stupid is as...well, you know the rest.


4 posted on 08/14/2010 2:00:48 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I find a little odd is that the lib establishment (Psychology Associations) feel this odd need to keep generating poorly designed, biased studies to ‘prove’ their superiority. It’s just not enough for them to walk around with a self satisfied smirk on their faces...they have some burning need for MORE. I am wondering if it is partly due to the old BDS aspect. The left was angry because they kept saying Bush was a chimp or a troglodyte and yet he bested them easily (or made it look easy) over and over again. Do they need these studies to pat their scalded egos as facts/evidence/perseverance always foils their plans. Even if it takes awhile - Lucy always moves the football just as the Charlie-Brown-Left prepares to make ‘their best move yet.’ Zero caused more damage than I’ve seen in my lifetime but even he is going to have the football pulled away at that last minute. And I think it bothers them - supreme belief that we are farm-animal-stupid conservatives and yet we have the answers and they get taken out behind the woodshed eventually.


5 posted on 08/14/2010 2:02:02 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Heh, funny is what comes to mind. If liberals are smarter, then many questions come to mind and their answers have not been intelligent nor smart... Seems to me that maybe smart is not the answer, but maybe intelligence. That would put the general populace ahead of these elitists.


6 posted on 08/14/2010 2:07:48 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Lawgvr1955

Here’s how the study’s researcher defined liberalism (note that the researcher’s quote is then followed by IronShrink’s commentary:

“I provisionally define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others.”

Got it? Liberals care about unrelated others, and conservatives do not. This is perhaps the most simplistic, unsubstantiated, self-serving definition I have ever encountered.


7 posted on 08/14/2010 2:08:45 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

“Are liberals more intelligent than conservatives.”
No, but judging from the state of the country,ignorance is winning.


8 posted on 08/14/2010 2:11:14 AM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Darkwolf377

That’s no doubt why they will probably never admit that Zero was a Zero. They’ll claim ‘the party of no’ would not let the genius work etc. Or they’ll throw him under the bus but support all that he did or planned to do to us because...after all...they are legends in their own minds...


9 posted on 08/14/2010 2:12:34 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: liberalism is suicide

Right around the time Obama started ascending in popularity, an entrepreneur friend (she had an IQ in the 170s) chided me for not giving him ‘a chance’. She condescended - and told me that she felt ‘sorry for me’ to which I snarled ‘I don’t - he’s not qualified!’I remember open mouthed shock as I heard this Republican, intelligent woman talking about giving that little weasel a chance when I knew how high her expectations were for her own employees. Then she heard him tell Joe the Plumber that he wanted to redistribute wealth. The charm was instantly gone - she would never humor him again and couldn’t believe she ever did. Too bad the rest of the country didn’t seem to wake up.


10 posted on 08/14/2010 2:17:37 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If there is such a thing as "Liberal intelligence", that, in itself, provides an argument against a correlation between intelligence and common sense.
11 posted on 08/14/2010 2:18:05 AM PDT by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: ransomnote

Oh boy...

Where to begin?


12 posted on 08/14/2010 2:23:35 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: ransomnote

In any quantitative study of this type, the truth is in the internals. For example, are not the younger respondents both more liberal and more intelligent than older respondents? If so, this would reflect long-standing differentials measured in the U.S. population at large.

But how would those of the same age and opposite political attitude compare in terms of IQ? More to the point, how would the IQs of those older citizens who report shifting to the left or right compare?

As many have speculated, I believe that if you have any wits at all, you will move to the right as you age. However, it might be really informative to note whether stupid folks move left as they get older.

Such an obverse hypothesis would make sense, given the likely expectation of dependancy (on Social Security and the like) which is almost sure to be more common among the intellectually impoverished...


13 posted on 08/14/2010 2:23:47 AM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: ransomnote

The thing is, spin can only work where there are gray areas, or things that aren’t commonly known, that can be spun. Here’s where Obama’s celebrity status is a double-edged sword—he’s so well-known, that when people hear the spin on his awesomeness, they have tons of personal experience and observation with which they can counter it.


14 posted on 08/14/2010 2:25:48 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: ransomnote

This study is complete BS, but it hardly matters. One can also have great intelligence and still have poor judgement. The two aren’t synonymous.

I do think the most ‘intelligent’ liberals have to work hard to intellectually justify their positions... always too busy counting the trees to see the forest.


15 posted on 08/14/2010 2:34:08 AM PDT by drierice
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To: ransomnote

You can not have a battle of wits with a liberal,they are unarmed.


16 posted on 08/14/2010 2:55:12 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: ransomnote
Here’s how the study’s researcher defined liberalism (note that the researcher’s quote is then followed by IronShrink’s commentary:

“I provisionally define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others.”

An interesting statement, in that it's contradicted by the fact that "liberal" states like Massachusetts give far less in charitable contributions per person than "conservative" states like Mississippi. Of course I'm sure "liberals" have moved beyond such constraining things as facts.

17 posted on 08/14/2010 3:02:28 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: ransomnote
I have a double degree in Chemistry and Mathematics and graduated Summa Cum Laude (3.96 GPA) with my Masters. I work for one of the leaders in the high tech industry and have won my company's most distinguished award several times. I chew liberal intellects up like cannon fodder and spit them out. I find so-called liberal intellectuals to be childish and thin skinned with extremely fragile egos. Their thought processes are usually not well developed, shallow and totally lacking in practicality and wisdom.
18 posted on 08/14/2010 3:04:44 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: ransomnote

I think the guy is right. Sorry, but in my experience, it’s true. Make a list of the great minds of our time, the true intellectuals, and you’ll be forced to agree.

Of course, being intelligent doesn’t make a person right. It simply means they are better at reasoning. American liberals (”conservatives”) of the Rush Limbaugh/Sarah Palin/NASCAR variety tend to be suspicious of reasoning, and of educated people. It’s a cultural thing. This is not a criticism; it’s an observation.

Perhaps someday a true American, intellectual Conservatism will rise.


19 posted on 08/14/2010 3:08:52 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: DarthVader

While I admire your educational accomplishments, I think it’s also important to remember that education and intelligence are not necessarily identical.


20 posted on 08/14/2010 3:10:57 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ransomnote
I'm as conservative as one can possibly be. I have, according to Mensa, a 165+ I.Q., which would require further specialized tests to determine how high that "+" actually goes.

Show me a Libtard, any Libtard, who claims to top that, and I'll show you a lying puddle of sublimating excreta.

;-/

21 posted on 08/14/2010 3:13:41 AM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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To: ransomnote

oh, i’m dying here

they go on about 0bama’s 133 IQ... really? that’s all you got?

not getting into mensa with that, moron


22 posted on 08/14/2010 3:16:21 AM PDT by sten
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To: B-Chan
"Sorry, but in my experience, it’s true."

While I will not deign to contradict your admission that you're a comparative idiot when stood next to a Liberal (you are doubtless the inarguable authority there), I will ask you to please not generalize on behalf of the reat of us, who know such blithering tripe by its proper name.

;-/

23 posted on 08/14/2010 3:18:10 AM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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To: Gargantua

Look out, everybody! Gargantua’s reachin’ for his thesaurus!


24 posted on 08/14/2010 3:20:00 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ransomnote

“liberals control all institutions”

Could it be because they refused to get a job?

Was this factored into this university sponsored government-sponsored state-sponsored paid for with our tax money study? Probably not.


25 posted on 08/14/2010 3:22:07 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: sten
Let it all hang out, we're all friends here. And as for Bukkaki O'Bunga having a "133 I.Q.," I'm afraid not! The chimp is a functional imbecile who cannot string together a half-hour of intelligible soliloquy without a teleprompter to keep him from exposing his abysmal ignorance.

There's a reason why he shuns "Q & A" press conferences and un-aided speaking appearances, and it is not because he's such an intellectual leviathan. The macacque is as dumb as a box of rocks, and he probably needs help putting his shoes on the right feet in the morning.

;-/

26 posted on 08/14/2010 3:25:05 AM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
THANK you!

;-/

27 posted on 08/14/2010 3:25:39 AM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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To: B-Chan
I don't even own a "thesaurus." Besides, didn't they all die out prior to the Pleistocene Era?

:-)

28 posted on 08/14/2010 3:27:08 AM PDT by Gargantua (The "Second Death")
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Luke 4

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed
unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give
thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me;
and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

29 posted on 08/14/2010 3:29:59 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: B-Chan

“I think it’s also important to remember that education and intelligence are not necessarily identical.”

That’s what I said baby! What do you think wisdom is? Your reading comprehension skills are poor.


30 posted on 08/14/2010 3:30:35 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: ransomnote
...”What I find a little odd is that the lib establishment (Psychology Associations) feel this odd need to keep generating poorly designed, biased studies to ‘prove’ their superiority. It’s just not enough for them to walk around with a self satisfied smirk on their faces...they have some burning need for MORE”...

Let's begin with the Psychological Association itself, which may be the biggest scam ever pulled on the American people and let's begin with Freud, who was using cocaine when he fantasized his crazy theories. I remember when psychiatrist's could hardly make a living..Then, WA-LA, health care insurance began to pay for that kind of treatment. From that point on, the whole movement took off and has been, probably the single greatest influence for harm to this society of any source. Infinity cannot compute the resources poured down that black hole. Anyone who has ever worked with “the worried well” will tell you that some of the situational reactions people suffer are normal for the circumstances and will heal in time. There may be great benefit in working through a grief reaction to life the natural way. In cases of the more serious mental afflictions, medication has been the major help and those were developed by very smart scientists in research labs, and, from their work ethic, I would guess most of them to be conservative. I would like to see a study which assesses the mental stability of all the psychological “experts” as a whole. I am betting you would find the biggest collection of nuts any society could possibly produce. Toss Mr. Kanazawa’s study into the trash because it reeks with politics and propaganda, and, be very wary, as I am sure you are, of anything coming out of the "Psychological Association."

31 posted on 08/14/2010 3:31:43 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Joining Mensa is the real disqualifier :).


32 posted on 08/14/2010 3:32:01 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: B-Chan
Completely disagree with you.

I think the guy is right. Sorry, but in my experience, it’s true. Make a list of the great minds of our time, the true intellectuals, and you’ll be forced to agree.

Hayek, Lord Monckton, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams?

Of course, being intelligent doesn’t make a person right. It simply means they are better at reasoning.

I am an engineer. Going through the training that an engineer must gives you the ability to think clearly and reason.

I have found that most liberals, when you sound them out on their positions, employ faulty reasoning almost always.

Of course, when you find a liberal engineer (I work with a couple) you have to question how someone with that training could believe the way they do. The cognitive dissonance must be something terrible.

American liberals (”conservatives”) of the Rush Limbaugh/Sarah Palin/NASCAR variety tend to be suspicious of reasoning, and of educated people. It’s a cultural thing. This is not a criticism; it’s an observation.

Disagree here also. They disagree with pointy headed stupidity gussied up as "reasoning" (to use your words) that doesn't square with their innate common sense. There's nothing "stupid" about that.

33 posted on 08/14/2010 3:33:59 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: ransomnote
“I provisionally define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others.”

Maybe they are smart. Those "private resouces" the want to give to others do not belong to them. But then "smart" isn't the correct word is it? A criminal self-serving mentality better describes their mindset.

34 posted on 08/14/2010 3:34:06 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: ransomnote

If liberals are so intelligent, why aren’t they earning as much as athletes who can scarcely vocalize? All those smart libs should have rigged the system to ensure that they are paid as much as A-Rod or Kobe, but instead, they are in mediocre university or government jobs. They never get the beautiful women.
They compensate for their lack of good looks or physical ability or the ability to succeed in business by convincing each other how much more intelligent they are than the rest of the population. Sometimes they fool enough people to get elected to government offices where they can wield power and screw up the country, big time. That’s where we are today.


35 posted on 08/14/2010 3:35:02 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Gargantua
well, we already know he can't tie them...
(strangely enough, i cannot find one pic of GWBush in sandals)


36 posted on 08/14/2010 3:44:14 AM PDT by sten
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To: B-Chan

“Perhaps someday a true American, intellectual Conservatism will rise.”

So, you missed that whole Founding Fathers thing ...eh.
Liberal thinkers are the antithesis of thinking, they are intellectually masturbating morons.


37 posted on 08/14/2010 3:57:20 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: ransomnote

“...apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail...”

Oh yeah, this little thing called “business.” That unimportant side note that most of spend about third of our lives doing. We can discard that consideration entirely.


38 posted on 08/14/2010 4:00:41 AM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: ransomnote
There is a huge difference between knowledge and wisdom, I.E. the ability to use knowledge appropriately and at the right time and place. Jimmy Carter was a certified nuclear engineer. That takes brains and hard work. Old Jimmah was smart, but when it came to being chief executive he couldn't put one foot in front of the other. Knowledge is one thing, wisdom and humility are something altogether different. I have no doubt some liberals are intelligent. What matters for Me is how do they apply that knowledge, and to what purpose. The other limiting factor with liberals is even if they are intelligent, they too often lead with their feelings. Liberals are led far too often down the garden path by how they feel about something , rather than what they think about it. Conservatives tend to think and (for some)pray before making decisions. The reason for this difference is simple: liberals are self- centered and conservatives tend to be centered on God, or the community. Conservatives focus is outward, liberals is inward. I have never gotten a wrong answer from God, but I have often screwed up following My own advice.

CC

39 posted on 08/14/2010 4:07:53 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (ostende mihi pecuniam!)
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To: ransomnote

That argument supposes that all subjects have attended liberal universities for the requisite brain-washing and IQ measurement.

The real world is populated with high IQ problem solvers, leaders and innovaters who never set foot in the factories that foster fools who are trained to *feel* superior, but ain’t;).


40 posted on 08/14/2010 4:08:41 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: ransomnote

It’s the botox syndrome ~ takes away your ability to tell others are angry or disgusted ~ and also seems to make it difficult to read words printed on pages or flashed on screens.


41 posted on 08/14/2010 4:39:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Brugmansian

Simply put Liberals are natural born thieves.


42 posted on 08/14/2010 4:41:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I saw you mention this “Botox Syndrome” in another post, can you point me to information about it, please?


43 posted on 08/14/2010 4:42:05 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: ransomnote
Interesting article regarding the flawed nature of this study.

“I provisionally define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of other people's private resources for the welfare of such others.”

Also from the article:

liberals might put the following values in this order of importance:

Peace, Justice, Freedom, Liberty

...whereas conservatives might prioritize those same values differently:

Liberty, Freedom, Peace, Justice.

I would say this prioritization on the part of liberals as being evidence of what I might call a "God complex": "I'm smarter than you, so let me run things." Also, is the liberal ideology arrived at logically or emotionally? Does it take into account human nature?

44 posted on 08/14/2010 4:42:16 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: B-Chan
We've already done that part. 'twould seem you missed the Revolution.

Next, "Leftwingtards discovered to be terminally brain damaged by overuse of botox and meth amphetamines ~ DOD uses Round Up"

This space next month.

45 posted on 08/14/2010 4:46:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Darkwolf377
"And to prove it, they voted overwhelmingly for Obama."

After the last election they need to fake a study to reassure themselves............

46 posted on 08/14/2010 4:47:18 AM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: ransomnote

Liberals don’t have any sense...common or uncommon.


47 posted on 08/14/2010 4:47:33 AM PDT by lonestar (Barry is furious the big spill wasn't caused by EXXON...would have nationalized it by now.)
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To: Brytani

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/60844/title/Botox_injections_put_a_crease_in_emotional_evaluations


48 posted on 08/14/2010 4:49:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thank You :)


49 posted on 08/14/2010 4:49:48 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: ransomnote

“They’ll claim ‘the party of no’ would not let the genius work etc.”

While we are at it......That’s “The Party of Know”


50 posted on 08/14/2010 4:56:48 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (..."Down the Dems, in 2010!" "Beat Babs!")
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