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Top food was olives in time of the ancient mariner
al-Reuters ^ | Thursday, August 12, 2010 | Michele Kambas (ed by Paul Casciato)

Posted on 08/15/2010 10:35:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A huge quantity of olive stones on an ancient shipwreck more than 2,000 years old has provided valuable insight into the diet of sailors in the ancient world, researchers in Cyprus said Thursday.

The shipwreck, dating from around 400 B.C. and laden mainly with wine amphorae from the Aegean island of Chios and other north Aegean islands, was discovered deep under the sea off Cyprus's southern coast.

Excavation on the site, which started in November 2007, has determined that the ship was a merchant vessel of the late classical period.

"An interesting piece of evidence that gives us information on the conditions under which the sailors of antiquity lived, are the large numbers of olive pips that were found during excavation, since these pips must have been part of the crew's food supply," Cyprus's antiquities department said in a news release Thursday.

The excavation is shedding light on seafaring in Cyprus in antiquity, commerce between the island and the Aegean and the sizes of the period's cargo ships, it said.

Olives and olive oil are a staple of the Mediterranean diet and their consumption over hundreds of years has been well documented.

Italian archaeologists discovered that some of the world's oldest perfumes, made in Cyprus, were olive oil based. The commodity was also used to fire copper furnaces.

Apart from the amphorae, or large clay wine jars, two lead rods with remains of wood were found.

"This especially rare find enhances the importance of the shipwreck and strengthens the possibilities of finding preserved wood from the ship's keel," the department said.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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1 posted on 08/15/2010 10:35:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 08/15/2010 10:37:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

Love olives.


3 posted on 08/15/2010 10:42:07 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: SunkenCiv

Famous ancient carver Chen Zu-zhang in 1737 transformed an olive pith into a miniature boat with eight passengers in different natural poses. Underneath the boat he etched over three hundred words of poetry by Su Dong-po about river ride at Red Cliff. The fruit pith masterpiece measures 1.6 centimeters high and 3.4 centimeters long.


4 posted on 08/15/2010 10:43:10 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: SunkenCiv
Olives and People, Past and Present

Today, many people consider olive oil a health food. Did the ancient Greeks view it in a nutritional sense or was it valued simply for flavor or other properties?
It was not only considered as a health product but something that had in essence a divine power embedded in it--defined in a pragmatic way not in a occult or abstract way. It was a gift of the goddess Athena to the Athenians, therefore, it had the emblematic presence of the goddess.

5 posted on 08/15/2010 10:45:31 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: goseminoles

“Love olives.”

My favorite recipe for olives is to marinate them in gin and vermouth, add ice and slowly sip the marinade.


6 posted on 08/15/2010 10:48:33 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: goseminoles

I only like black olives; do you like all kinds? I think most people do.


7 posted on 08/15/2010 10:50:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I have a jar of garlic infused olives that I bought as Sam’s Club. They are hidden in the back of the frig, or I wouldnt have them any more. LOL.


8 posted on 08/15/2010 10:53:40 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Southeast Wisconsin)
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To: SunkenCiv

Man, give me a can of colossal black olives and I’m set. I grew up where olives served on a veggie plate for apps. Always picked and snacked on them.
Yes, I like green olives too. I’m a glutten for salt and vinegar.
Stuffed with garlic or jalepeno are a bonus.


9 posted on 08/15/2010 11:02:47 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: SunkenCiv

..and this is news?

10 posted on 08/15/2010 11:03:04 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: billhilly

LOL. A martini is a meal!


11 posted on 08/15/2010 11:03:55 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: SunkenCiv
If you love olives, green and brown, make tapenade.

My personal favorite recipe:

In a small fryer pan, 2 anchovies or one good squeeze anchovy paste. Grate or press three large cloves garlic. Heat through until anchovies dissolve into buttery, not fishy, goodness and garlic loses some of its bitter bite.

1 cup green olives, 1 cup black olives finely chop in food processor. Add the garlic mix, spread on toast.

12 posted on 08/15/2010 11:06:55 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: JoeProBono

Some people have waay too much time on their hands. /sarc

Remarkable.


13 posted on 08/15/2010 11:10:36 AM PDT by PLMerite (The FR clock is now three minutes fast.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

It would grow. :’D Olive trees were cultivated not least because the oil could be used for illumination and heat as well as cooking. Thanks Red_Devil 232! I considered sending this article in hopes you’d post it. ;’)


14 posted on 08/15/2010 11:11:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: JoeProBono

Wow, great find!


15 posted on 08/15/2010 11:11:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: billhilly

16 posted on 08/15/2010 11:15:18 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A huge quantity of olive stones on an ancient shipwreck more than 2,000 years old has provided valuable insight into the diet of sailors in the ancient world, researchers in Cyprus said Thursday......................

.........................or, perhaps they drank a lot of martinis ;-)

17 posted on 08/15/2010 11:19:22 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: SunkenCiv

As a kid, grown up on watching Westerns, I thought Poseidon got shafted losing that mythical contest against Athena. He produced the horse, and she provided the olive tree. Phooey on stinky olives! Give me a horse to ride any day.

Now that I’m grown, and can appreciate Greek culture, well, I’d still rather retire to Arizona and ride a horse.


18 posted on 08/15/2010 11:19:48 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: JoeProBono

It is amazing what you can do with nano technology on such a large scale.


19 posted on 08/15/2010 11:36:26 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: SunkenCiv

The article dates the ship to c. 400 BC and then says it is from ‘the late classical period’. 400 BC would be the early classical period, much earlier than that would be ‘ancient civilization’. 400 AD would be ‘the late classical period’.


20 posted on 08/15/2010 11:39:49 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: goseminoles

An olive is an olive. A black olive is simply a ripe olive.
Green olives have to be cured in brine or would way to bitter to eat.


21 posted on 08/15/2010 11:49:09 AM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: JoeProBono

Absolutely amazing. Where in the world did you find this?


22 posted on 08/15/2010 12:20:45 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (We in Missouri spoke LOUDLY 08/03/10 & We peacefully said NO to Tyranny. Are you listening Marxists?)
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To: SonnyBubba

Good to know! I love all olives!!!


23 posted on 08/15/2010 12:24:42 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: SunkenCiv

Ever (try to) eat a tree-ripened olive? “There can only be one!” Any more than that marks you as a determined, masochistic Darwinian Candidate.

I really have to wonder who (and how/why) discovered the process to make them edible.

“Yech! You can’t eat those things!”

“Blech!! I can’t drink this crap, either...”

“Hey; maybe if I soak those in this, then ....”


24 posted on 08/15/2010 12:27:41 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam; A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I love olives any way they appear.

There are a number of foods that seem unlikely as a food source for early man. Lobster is one that comes to mind.


25 posted on 08/15/2010 12:32:36 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: SunkenCiv
these pips must have been part of the crew's food supply,

...or they drank lots of martinis.

26 posted on 08/15/2010 12:32:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut bunker was just peanut bunker until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Red_Devil 232; SunkenCiv

probably something they could grow relatively easily, make oil from and it was a food. It was one of those products that could probably be used for currency.


27 posted on 08/15/2010 12:35:54 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: SunkenCiv
May I suggest that if you ever get a chance, you try “Graber Olives”. Ummm, ummm, ummm!. Tree ripened, green-brown with a unique nut-like flavor. Well worth the price (close to $10 a can). Great for special occasions.
28 posted on 08/15/2010 12:49:11 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

I’ve got some family members who might appreciate those, thanks for the tip!


29 posted on 08/15/2010 1:16:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Rinnwald

I’d rather have the olive. Ever try to dress a salad with, or to burn, ‘horse oil’?

It is much easier to sit in the shade of an olive tree, then in the shade of a horse. Can’t sling a hammock or hang a swing from a hourse’s limbs, either.

Horses reproduce too slowly, and require too much year round work, and take up too much pasture that cows could use, for the amount of meat they produce.


30 posted on 08/15/2010 1:16:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam; A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Transparent glass dates from too late to provide verification of this, but *we* know the truth now... ;’)


31 posted on 08/15/2010 1:22:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: GeronL
Yep! All they had to do was plant it. No irrigation required and is drought tolerant.
32 posted on 08/15/2010 1:42:31 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

And the horse tips over your Martini glass.


33 posted on 08/16/2010 7:20:51 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: Rinnwald
And the horse tips over your Martini glass. ..and then steps on the olive.
34 posted on 08/16/2010 11:43:46 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam; A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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To: billhilly

Did someone say "gin"?

35 posted on 08/16/2010 1:07:17 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: texmexis best

aThere are a number of foods that seem unlikely as a food source for early man. Lobster is one that comes to mind.”

Imagine the first person to eat an oyster.


36 posted on 08/16/2010 3:29:28 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly

Imagine the poor starving b*stard that first ate chitlins.


37 posted on 08/16/2010 3:33:03 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: billhilly

That’s one of the ones that remain without any explanation that is satisfactory.


38 posted on 08/16/2010 3:39:45 PM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: billhilly

Hahaha...nice.


39 posted on 08/16/2010 4:08:46 PM PDT by Alistair Stratford IV (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: SunkenCiv

Black olives, pitted and stuffed with anchovies, then marinated two days in the olive juice and anchovy brine, and an equal amount of Kalamata.

Served with a sweet creamy cheese, like Havarti and sesame bread.

Preferred beverage - two ounces of Arak (best is Razzook or elKazen) in a wine glass, light rocks and spring water.


40 posted on 08/17/2010 1:29:32 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo is Miley- wily, clever and detractive as all get out!)
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To: shibumi

:’) Thanks shibumi.


41 posted on 08/17/2010 8:48:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
My favorite fruit!

Masarap!

42 posted on 08/19/2010 3:51:22 AM PDT by cerberus
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