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American Students Struggle for U.S. Grad School Slots Against Foreign-Born Applicants
Science ^ | August 19, 2010 | Jeffrey Mervis

Posted on 08/20/2010 11:20:24 AM PDT by epithermal

U.S. students had a much harder time getting into American graduate schools this past year than did their peers from China and the rest of the world. And while 1 year is far from a trend, a new report by the Council of Graduate Schools raises the question of how well Americans stack up against international students.

Overall, the report says, 3% more international students received offers of admission for the 2010–11 academic year than in the previous year. That's the fifth increase in the past 6 years. But the survey from the Washington, D.C.,–based organization also found that 1% fewer U.S students than last year have received acceptance letters. The number of applications rose by 9% for each group.

It's the first time the council has used its international survey to collect information on U.S. citizens, so it's hard to know what the different numbers mean. The report doesn't try to provide an answer, although it highlights the data as "a striking difference."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; education; foreignersfirst; foreignstudents; highereducation; immigration; importingdemocrats; preferences

1 posted on 08/20/2010 11:20:27 AM PDT by epithermal
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To: epithermal

That’s the New America: making the world better for everyone ... except Americans.


2 posted on 08/20/2010 11:23:07 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: epithermal

America isn’t just for Americans anymore. These “Foreigners First” programs really suck.


3 posted on 08/20/2010 11:24:21 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Taliban!)
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To: epithermal

I’ve often wondered why American students don’t apply to schools in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, North Korea and Indonesia.


4 posted on 08/20/2010 11:24:55 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It is to promote “campus diversity”, dontcha know.


5 posted on 08/20/2010 11:32:10 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: epithermal
Obamas father along with a bunch of third world interlopers, got here on some American racists dime,taking up seats that Americans rightfully should have been in.
6 posted on 08/20/2010 11:32:55 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: epithermal

When you have schools like UC Santa Cruz making it policy that they want minorities to be more than 50% of the students on campus, you have to expect this would follow. (I guess they never looked up the definition of minority.)

What do you think the odds are that once white Americans are the minority that will they be given “minority status”?


7 posted on 08/20/2010 11:35:53 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Army Air Corps

It is far far worse than that. It is designed to make Americans slaves in their own country. All helped along by every TV networks which owns every TV channel.

Americans who watch TV or pay for cable or sat TV are paying each month for slavery. If you think that is BS just look at how they ALL support the Imam, Islam and the VICTORY Mosque. Keep watchin TV dhiminis.


8 posted on 08/20/2010 11:37:12 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: epithermal
I would not jump to conclusions and say our students are dumber.

When I went to college my University reserved a large percentage of slots in the College of Engineering for foreign students.

This was in the early 80s and while in-state students were paying about $50 per credit hour the foreign student were paying well over $700 per credit hour.

The College upped the reserved seating two years in a row and the competition for the rest was immense. You were not even looked at unless your GPA was over 3.2. The foreign students were accepted into engineering school with the University average, which was 2.2 at the time.

It was all about the money.

9 posted on 08/20/2010 11:37:26 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: anonsquared

I have driven through Santa Cruz and the majority are white libs with some hispanics.


10 posted on 08/20/2010 11:38:06 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: epithermal

Out-of-state/international $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

A friend of mine has said that it is more common to see foreign instructors in low-level courses than native American-born....as instructed by Department management. At least, in some disciplines.


11 posted on 08/20/2010 11:40:03 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Frantzie

We used to go there for a few days each summer from Sacramento. I wouldn’t want to live there. We used to call the city council looney toons. I assume nothing has changed.


12 posted on 08/20/2010 11:41:01 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: OldMissileer
It was all about the money.

Ding! Ding! Ding!
13 posted on 08/20/2010 11:42:17 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Frantzie

Santa Cruz recently asked for Federal help because two competing Mexican gangs are fighting over the drug trade there and their police force can’t handle it. The result is spilling over into the liberal community as Santa Cruz has double the US murder rate, triple the US rape rate, and triple the US theft rate. The liberals in that town are learning that you reap what you sow.


14 posted on 08/20/2010 11:46:04 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: epithermal

I hate to say this but the reason for this probably has more to do with the intellectual laziness of US students vs. the foreign students than it has to do with diversity or PC run amok.


15 posted on 08/20/2010 11:47:36 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Saudi universities DISCRIMINATE against Palestinian students who are pre-med/med applicants. Have for YEARS.


16 posted on 08/20/2010 11:50:49 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: epithermal
Nathan Bell, director of research and policy analysis at the council and lead author of the survey, declined to offer an explanation for the contrasting fates of U.S. and international applicants.

1. Foreign students pay full tuition plus the out-of-state premium, so foreign students mean more revenue for the school.

2. And foreign students are being chosen from a much more select group of top students, while US applicants likely come from a broader cross-section of all US college graduates.

But most all colleges are in love with quotas, so any college accepting state and/or federal support should be given a quote to limit how many foreigners than can admit. The American system of colleges and universities was not created and developed to serve foreign students and foreign nations.

17 posted on 08/20/2010 11:53:13 AM PDT by Will88
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To: anonsquared

Nice. I drove through there about 10 years ago and thought it was a cool and quaint surf community. Steamers Lane is right their with HUGE waves. The liberals obviously turned it into a crime filled hell hole.

A bit like San Fran. Gorgeous geography turned into a crime filled cess pool.


18 posted on 08/20/2010 11:53:34 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: epithermal

It is a good thing the value of US citizenship has come to mean nothing to institutions built by US citizens and dollars.

This professor has never taken a foreign graduate student in spite of receiving hundreds of applications over the years. Call me prejudice, xenophobic, or kook, but to me citizenship has value.


19 posted on 08/20/2010 12:01:49 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Army Air Corps

big education, like teachers’ unions, is about money, not education.


20 posted on 08/20/2010 1:46:12 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

You being a professor, I have a question for you.

I suspect it’s because foreign students have better math skills. To often I’ve seen students treat college as a vocational school. They think it’s better to have “hands on” work. That fine I think, if one is leaving soon. However without learning basic advanced mathematics, beyond the fourth semester of calculus, they are ill prepared for graduate school. What do you think of that idea?


21 posted on 08/20/2010 2:30:32 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Because foreigners pay full freight....no in-state discounts.


22 posted on 08/20/2010 2:38:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I would tend to think foreign pre-post-secondary(LOL, that just happened) education is better. Even a country like Iran has better schools than us.

Case in point. Haha


23 posted on 08/20/2010 2:56:59 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: dfwgator
Because foreigners pay full freight....no in-state discounts.

That's far from true, at least for doctoral programs in the biomedical sciences. Most of those PhD students don't pay tuition and get an annual stipend of $20-25,000 for living expenses. WE are covering those costs, basically paying them to come here and get degrees. It's sick.
24 posted on 08/20/2010 4:42:41 PM PDT by ruination
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To: epithermal

Americans should stop paying taxes in this global Utopia. This land is not our land anymore.


25 posted on 08/20/2010 6:23:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

No question that many foreign students have better math skills, but their communication skills in English are pathetic and their analytical skills are about even with domestics. In the biosciences, where advanced math is less important, the written/spoken language requires greater emphasis. It is an extra burden on advisors to have to rewrite anything put forward by most foreign grad students who can neither speak nor write effectively.


26 posted on 08/21/2010 7:04:38 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: dfwgator

Because foreigners pay full freight....no in-state discounts.”

This is a misconception. Most foreign students receive stipends just like domestic students and fees are often waived.


27 posted on 08/21/2010 7:05:55 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: ruination

That’s far from true, at least for doctoral programs in the biomedical sciences. Most of those PhD students don’t pay tuition and get an annual stipend of $20-25,000 for living expenses. WE are covering those costs, basically paying them to come here and get degrees. It’s sick.””

Didn’t see your post before I made a similar statement. You are exactly right.


28 posted on 08/21/2010 7:07:17 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

Thanks for the response.

I like your point about analytical skills. I think it’s like drafting a player into the NFL. I can check a students grades, other stats, published papers, etc. but it’s not until I give him work to do can I figure out if he can figure things out on his own. Just like one has to see a running back run in the NFL before he can be satisfactorily evaluated. So, if I get a student with good mathematical skills and he turns out to have good analytical skills, I can give him any assignment. If he has an experimental background but lesser mathematical skills, then he’s limited. Unfortunately, the students from Chin Hau and IIT typically have a stronger mathematical background.


29 posted on 08/21/2010 7:59:59 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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