Posted on 08/22/2010 6:12:51 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Obama can end the "birthers" controversy in one single day by releasing the original documents, but for some inexplicable reason he refuses, and the love-struck media never ask him why...
Trust but verify.
-- Ronald Reagan
It's good practice to take a person at his word until someone shows you proof he is lying.
Barack Obama says he was born in Hawaii, and since no one has shown any proof he was born in Kenya or elsewhere, it's OK to conclude he was born in Hawaii.
Sure his grammar school records show that he was enrolled as an Indonesian Muslim, but some people will say anything to get their kid in the right school. It doesn't really answer the question.
It's OK though for others not to use my deferential standard and continue to question whether Obama was born in Hawaii. We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here. There is a Constitutional mandate that the President be a natural-born citizen, and if Obama is not one, he certainly will have committed the biggest fraud since the White Sox threw the World Series.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Coulter also repeated her claim that Barack Obama's failure to prove his constitutional eligibility for office, raised by WND and of concern, according to recent polls, by at least 58 percent of the American people, are nothing more than a big joke.
"He's pushing the birther thing," she said of Farah. "No one who is conservative believes in it either, someone who wants to get hits for his website may promote it."
About the debate between Farah and Ann, I would say like Gene Eric : "It’s great this pathetic exchange is taking place just a few months before a critical election. This would be a good time for both of them to STFU".
But in the Birth Certificate issue, Ann is definitely wrong and this editorial piece published last year at FOX News suggests the complete opposite of what Ann is trying to tell us.
You don't have to be a Fruitcake (as many stated in the last post) to say that Obama is hiding something. No need of conspiration here or whatever you call it. I don't believe in conspirations anyway.
As De Seno said : "We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here."
Can anyone explain (to us) why it is smarter for Obama to spend tens of thousands of dollars and man-hours defending the suits when he can win the lawsuit for free by showing the original documents ?
All this issue about BC reminds me what Woodstein (Woodward & Bernstein) said about the Watergate in "All the President's Men" (Page 7):
"A federal grand jury investigation had already announced, but even so it was Simon's opinion that there still were too many unknown factors bout the break-in to make it the lead story. "It could be crazy Cubans", he said.
Indeed, the thought that the break-in might somehow be the work of the Republicans seemed implausible. On June 17, 1972, less than a month before the Democratic Convention, the President stood ahead of all announced Democratic candidates in the polls by no less than 19 points. Richard Nixon's vision of an emerging Republican majority that would dominate the last quarter of the century, much as the Democrats had dominated two previous generations, appeared possible. The Democratic Party was in desarray as a brutal primary season approached its end. Senator George McGovern of South Dakota, considered to be Nixon's weakest opponent, was emerging as the clear favorite to win the Democrat's nomination for President".
And yes, for many people the fact that Obama is not eligible seems implausible too. And in the same way, for The Watergate Scandal, Kissinger, Spiro Agnew or Gerald Ford (the highest rank of the Gov) were not implicated in the Nixon lies. No conspiration here.
So, if in the next future (the sooner the better), we will find out what's going wrong in his records (don't forget the tape sealed by the LA Times as well), it will not the Democratic Party's fault (although, we can blame them for not checking his records). It will only the Obama's fault.
Besides, (Isn't it strange ?) all these Conspirationists people who are obsessed by a 9/11/ Satanic Jewish conspiracy and crazy stuffs like that don't believe for one second in the Birth Certificate issue.
What if he refuses to produce a long form US COLB for all to examine, because he does not have one and has never had one because his idiot mother never got one? What if Hussein doesn’t even know for sure the day or year of his birth, or the place either? No wonder he’s so angry at the world!
Seems like if he had one, he’d just show it. Of course unless the one he may possess has very damaging details on it, and not just a foreign birth either, might be something else.
He’ll serve his fake term as fake prez.
It hurts many of us like hell to go through it, but he’ll serve the term.
I live for the day his many lies are exposed and I hope he serves time in the federal pen for his crimes.
I got on board the birther train early on but have never believed the man would be removed from office because of it. I’m of the mind that we need to get, strengthen, and enforce the laws requiring verification in the states.
It wouldn’t take but a couple of states that wouldn’t allow someone on the ballot to take them out of the race.
To me, Obama is only a symptom of a flaw in our system. Even if we got rid of him, the flaw would still exist. (Think Chet Aurthur)
He’s hiding a lot more than just his birth certificate.
What he’s hiding may not be what we think he’s hiding. But that he’s hiding something is not in doubt.
Others are worried about the BC. I want to know what citizenship he claimed in college. And what passport he traveled on when he went to Pakistan. But he’s got that information embargoed too.
Oh, and the guy who died after getting into the passport files? Isn’t anyone curious about that? Anyone?
“Conspirationists”?
That’s just strangling the language.
Conspirationist people who are obsessed by a 9/11 Satanic Jewish Conspiracy and crazy stuffs like that don’t believe for one second in the Birth Certificate Issue.
Because these people are simply obsessed with just the 9/11 terror attacks, and finding some Ultimate Evil. Conspiracy Theories borderline on religion for the people who believe in them, and they pursue what is far out (9/11 truth) versus what can be easily proven by a show of a document (Birth Certificate). You can sort of say they have faith in their conspiracy theories. Disturbing but true.
Look, at the end of the day, as my many British friends say, Obama’s birth place, his religion mean zilch, zero, nothing!!! What means something is that POTRUS Obama is doing his utmost to destroy America with the help of the Democrat Party. He and his hateful, biased, elitist wife, Michelle hate and detest America and “ALL” Americans!!! You good folks out there in voting land better cut out the banter back and forth and....get your butts out to the voting booth on November 2, 2010. What to do? Vote to destroy every single Democrat running for any office. Why? To completely destroy the Democrat Party!!! And....soon after that happens, work to topple POTUS Barack Hussein Obama from office, either by forcing his resignation, impeachment or political defeat at the voting booth!!! Stop the bickering over the small stuff and concentrate on saving our country from these Democrat America haters!!! “REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!!”
“Oh, and the guy who died after getting into the passport files? Isn’t anyone curious about that? Anyone?”
What about it? I’ve heard nothing on that topic.
I can only believe that Ann Coulter is speaking from a position of extreme ignorance here. She'd be surprised to learn how many people who own her books, also believe that Obama is ineligible to hold the office of president.
Only someone who is totally out of touch with the heartbeat of conservative opinion would say what she did. And, by engaging in a hissy fit in public with Joseph Farrah, she has proven it. She clearly believes that his is some off-beat, fringe website that hardly anyone reads.
I'm afraid that she's blown her credibility with Tea Party conservatives over this.
This article is over a year old...why bring it back?
How much money has he spent hiding this ?
In our system a person is required to be a natural born citizen in order to hold the office of president, and I think such should be ensured. However, just as the police officer generally has to accept the license as proof that the birth certificate was already seen and accepted, the electorate has to accept that, once sworn in, the relevant bona fides were seen and accepted by whatever authority is responsible. It may have been screwed up for all I know, but I am afraid none of us, including unfortunately people in the military, have any standing to argue that we need to see proof of birth from President Obama.
Our chance for demanding more was during the election, and thanks to a lack of any press, we missed that. And it was worse things, IMHO, than the birth certificate. Why was nobody demanding that the man who was actively campaigning as the "smart" guy provide a record of his grades and work in university? I couldn't get a job in the White House right now if I refused to release my school information, and yet he is able to be the President without anyone ever seeing anything he did in university. That a candidate for the highest office in the land was able to simply refuse to allow anyone at all to see anything he did in school, and never faced a single objection or question from anyone in the press bothers me more than anything.
It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, and to demand, on the behalf of the voters, an accounting of the past records relevant to a candidates ability to carry out the duties of his office. How a candidate performed in school, and what he wrote while there, is absolutely relevant to an election and we were denied that, as well as any evidence of citizenship. What we need more than anything is a real press.
“Conspirationists”?That’s just strangling the language.
Does that make them "stranglerationists"?
How about a real candidate who will ask questions the MSM won’t?
You’re so right. I couldn’t agree with yoi more. Obama is a BIG symptom of a flaw in our system.
Lt. Quarles Harris Jr
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/
Stimulus 2 wouldn't be able to be undone, because the crooks have already fled with the goods. But at least there wouldn't be Stimulus 3 and 4 and 5.
And you don't need to remind this crowd to vote. Good Lord. I cannot freaking wait until that day.
Because there’s not much else to work with?
Yes, excellent point. That would achieve the same goal if there were a candidate in a position, i.e. without something of his own to hide, who had the courage to demand such a thing. I wonder about the likelihood of getting anyone like that?
He may be responsible for it, but he’s also loving it. Birthers are seen as crackpots to 90% of the population (don’t confuse the # of birthers with the number of people who aren’t sure where he’s born).
Birthers only help his standing with the American people in general.
We do have confirmation that all of the journOlists did their job to ensure that Barack Obama was elected to the highest office in the land. There were plenty of legal challenges to force Zero to prove his natural born status prior to the election - not one of those challenges could force Zero to produce his birth record that tells us what hospital he was born in and who the delivering doctor was.
Ann Coulter must know what hospital he was born in and have seen the document because she called "birthers" kooks! Never mind the simple fact that a legal birth record is all that "birthers" are looking for! Wow - kooky people that want to see the constitution folowed. Ann lost alot of credibility by siding with Obama's team.
I have been castigated in the past for saying this, but I’ll say it again. IMO, its more likely that Obama went to college and accumulated grants as a foreign student than it is that he was born in Kenya. To accomplish this, he possibly committed numerous frauds, including possessing multiple identities, Social Security numbers and passports.
Now, if you’re REALLY into conspiracies and you believe Obama is NOT a natural born citizen, play it out. Its discovered Obama was born in Kenya, and therefore he is ineligible. It invalidated the election, so Biden does not become President. Speaker of the House Pelosi validated Obama’s eligibility. so she’s gone and it falls to the President Pro Tempore of The Senate, who upon the death of Senator Byrd fell to Sen. Daniel Inouye, born in the TERRITORY of Hawaii to Japanese parents. Too many questions about his eligibility so the Presidency goes to THE SECRETARY OF STATE....HILLARY CLINTON!!!
I told you! If you like conspiracies, and Obama does get outed as ineligible, you have to admit that’s a good one!
Wass up noob troll?
There were actually three political operatives working in the State Department who got into the files of the presidential candidates during the last election.
They got into the files of Obama, McCain, and Clinton. But all three of them had links to Obama, and it would appear that getting into the other files was intended to mask what they were doing.
They were not looking for dirt, which was what they pretended. They were cleaning out Obama’s files and shredding them, to destroy possibly embarrassing or incriminating evidence.
One of these three operatives was about to testify before authorities who were investigating the matter. He was found in DC, shot. The Washington Times (see #16) appears to have been the only one to have covered this story, and even they did not draw the obvious conclusions about what was going on.
As far as I know, nobody picked up the significance of this article until almost a year later, when it was resurrected and discussed on FR. Otherwise, it has been virtually ignored by everyone.
If Obama lied about his citizenship, not only should he be thrown in jail immediately, but every single travesty he has committed as President of the United States is null and void. No La Razans on the Supreme Court. No Communist Rubber Stamp Jurists who wouldn't even know how to wipe unless Obama told them. No 2000+ page Healthcare abomination. No Arizona lawsuit. None. Nada. Default, Game Over, this nightmare didn't happen.
I'm not sure about this. I may be wrong, but I believe the 20th Amendment would apply, and that amendment seems to look to the Vice President to be President.
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Since in this situation described the President would not be able to qualify then I would imagine that Biden would simply be President. Of course, this does refer to qualifying while still not sworn in as it uses the term "President elect," and that may even mean that once sworn in the President is legitimate no matter what.
Flaw, what flaw, there is no flaw in the system there is only the failure of those in charge to enforce the system....just like immigration and everything else.
Go look up NBC and ask your self if omama qualifies, then look what he's doing to your Country....the BC is the real distraction, the NBC clause it the heart of the matter.
In his book he claims to have found his BC and he used it for a bookmark or something.
“Does that make them “stranglerationists”?
Polysyllabificationizing is strictly forbiddenated.
As with the JFK assassination, you have to separate the cover-up from the crime. They are two different things which may only overlap in small and sometimes inconsequential ways. Any number of ‘interested parties’
may have highly specific reasons for covering up their own part of the puzzle. It doesn’t mean they were responsible directly for the crime. Lots of people would be highly embarrassed and their reputations questioned to have taken part in any kind of coverup. But, naturally, participating in a coverup on any level immediately leads people to think
you’re culpable. In Obama’s case , it’s not just the mysteriously unavailable BC that’s missing, it’s virtually EVERY bit of mundane data that any of us could produce and have produced any number of times but that Obama and his handlers have NOT produced and SEE NO REASON TO PRODUCE.
THIS attitude only compounds the profound suspicion that millions of even relatively politically disengaged Americans have to admit lurks somewhere at the back of their minds, creating a spooky sense of distrust and queasiness that won’t go away.Couple all that with EVERYTHING about his thoroughly dishonest Agenda and the way his Democratic Party cheerleaders has chosen to implement it, and you have an unprecedented situation NONE of us have ever seen in American politics.
You premise is completely false, we have Constitutional law to back up bammies ineligibility...the marxist is not a Natural Born Citizen by his own admission, this is NO JFK "conspiracy"
Actually, the 20th Amendment says that if a President elect “fails to qualify” by Jan 20th the vice president elect is to “act as President until a President shall have qualified.”
The HDOH has made a statutory admission that Obama’s birth certificate is amended. According to Hawaii law, that means his birth certificate has no legal value unless it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and determined to be probative. We know that Obama fought hard to make sure that never happened.
On Jan 20th obody in this entire nation could legally say what age Obama was (or today, for that matter) because the facts of his birth (based on a Hawaii BC) have never been legally determined. There is no way he “qualified” by Jan 20, 2009. We know that the only person the Constitution allows to act as President right now is Joe Biden.
That may be why Justice Stevens called Joe Biden “Mr. President” after swearing him in.
There were plenty of legal challenges to force Zero to prove his natural born status prior to the election - not one of those challenges could force Zero to produce his birth record that tells us what hospital he was born in and who the delivering doctor was.
That is true, but I fear that the people bringing the charge had no legal standing, which is very important in such cases. The only standing we have legally is probably in the polling booth. I really don't think the Constitution requires that candidates prove anything to the general public beyond what they are willing to force by withholding their votes. Congress is most likely the body with the legal standing in this. Obama, IIRC, has claimed that he showed the relevant people the proof, and a number of congress members did claim to have seen it. Unfortunately I think he probably met, insofar as Congress said he did, the legal obligation he was under and at no time did any member of the public have a chance in a courtroom.
Ann Coulter must know what hospital he was born in and have seen the document because she called "birthers" kooks! Never mind the simple fact that a legal birth record is all that "birthers" are looking for! Wow - kooky people that want to see the constitution folowed. Ann lost alot of credibility by siding with Obama's team.
Is that why she calls them "kooks" or could it be because she just doesn't like them or thinks that they make conservatives or Republicans look bad? I have a feeling the latter is as likely as the former, unless she has specifically stated otherwise.
But, in any case, I will readily admit I have never been all that crazy about Ann Coulter. I think she is snarky, and not usually in a good way. But, as a commentator or whatever she is considered, she is okay. She falls in the right more than the wrong, and that is better than most. I personally don't require she be right about everything all the time, and I am okay that she is usually right. That is much better than most people in the journalism-ish industry. I don't know if I would trust WND any more than I would Ann Coulter, or if I see them any differently really.
Sarah Palin would have, but McCain wouldn’t let her.
I suspect that Soros told him to roll over and die or Soros would make an electronic run on the bank that would destroy the economy of the entire western world.
And Alan Keyes and another candidate asked the questions. The courts blew them off. That’s where we’re at right now. Lawless.
But right now anybody who has been harmed by Obama “acting as President” when only Joe Biden can Constitutionally do so has standing to sue. It doesn’t have to be somebody harmed by the election, because the prohibition against Obama having the presidential powers extends beyond the election or any point since.
Because Obama had not “qualified” by Jan 20, 2009 the Constitution only allows Joe Biden to “act as President” -act as CIC, nominate SCOTUS justices, issue presidential orders, sign or veto bills, authorize a court-martial, appoint cabinet members, etc.
Anybody who has suffered particularized harm which can be remedied by the courts has standing to sue the government for the actions of this POTUS who is forbidden by the Constitution from having the presidential powers.
Polysyllabificationizing is strictly forbiddenated.
Fabulous. Just fabulous. It also looks like a quote from Finnegans Wake.
The logic is simple to me. It is illogical to not be a birther.
There is no way he “qualified” by Jan 20, 2009. We know that the only person the Constitution allows to act as President right now is Joe Biden.
You make a very valid point. I am inclined to agree with your assessment that it would be the VP who would be President in the case we are discussing. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone but Congress could demand he qualify now, and I don't see that happening. So he will continue to be President.
All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫
If you call me that again, I'll sue.
Why NOT? (Got something better?)
Sarah Palin would have, but McCain wouldn’t let her.
Yes, I believe you are probably right about that. She would almost certainly have been willing to address the question. Whatever one may think of her she is not a coward.
And Alan Keyes and another candidate asked the questions. The courts blew them off. That’s where we’re at right now. Lawless.
Yes he did, but I don't think his voice was very well heard in the election.
But right now anybody who has been harmed by Obama “acting as President” when only Joe Biden can Constitutionally do so has standing to sue.
I don't think so. That would spread standing too far for the courts. They would never concede to it. I really do think that only Congress is in a position to act on this, and we all know they won't.
And what about the de facto officer doctrine. It would seem to specifically apply to this situation, and that would mean that all of Obama's decisions and acts would still apply even if he were found to be unqualified.
I think each and every state should require proof of natural born citizenship independently of each other before they allow the man on their ballots.
They say trust but variety, well where is the verification? Are we to expect that the same Federal government that theses folk run is going to be honest in telling us about the legality of their own actions?
Call be paranoid but I’d very much like some level of impartiality. It’s only decent.
“...my many British friends say, Obama’s birth place, his religion mean zilch, zero, nothing!!!”
And what your many British friends say shows their knowledge of the U.S. Constitution. Zilch, zero, nothing !!! And, nada, too !!!
RE: “As De Seno said : “We aren’t talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.””
It’s amazing the that the MSM thought it was important to investigate Danny Almonte’s birth certificate a few years back, but couldn’t care less about the Obama situation. I think they know but but don’t want to ruin careers over it, so they have to maintain deniability.
The Constitution never gives Congress any authority over the eligibility of the President. The only entity that is recognized as having the authority to interpret the Constitution and apply it to specific cases is the judiciary.
It should be quite clear to anyone by now that is never going to happen...
There is no president elect or vp elect at this time. The method for removing an ineligible president is impeachment- something that would never happen to the first black president.
The Constitution never gives Congress any authority over the eligibility of the President. The only entity that is recognized as having the authority to interpret the Constitution and apply it to specific cases is the judiciary.
Okay, that could certainly be possible. I am speculating from what I know, which is only vague. However, who certifies the election results? Is it the courts, or the Congress? I would imagine that if it is the Congress then one could say that it would be incumbent on them to qualify the candidates since they have to certify the results. May be a stretch, I don't know.
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