Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Nebra sky disk discarded because of volcanic ash, scientists say By Aug 23, 2010, 15:49 GMT
Deutsche Presse-Agentur ^ | Monday, August 23, 2010 | Thomas Schoene

Posted on 08/23/2010 4:41:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A catastrophic volcanic eruption spewing huge clouds of ash about 3,600 years ago was behind the burial of the Nebra sky disk, one of the most spectacular archaeological finds in recent years, according to scientists at Mainz and Halle-Wittenberg universities in Germany.

The 3,600-year-old disk, discovered in 1999 near the town of Nebra in the eastern German state of Saxony-Anhalt, is the oldest known representation of the night sky. It is thought by some to have been used as an astronomical clock to determine when to add a thirteenth month synchronising the lunar calendar with the solar year.

The disk would be held against the sky, and when the position of the celestial objects matched those on the disk, the intercalary month would be added. Scientists said the disk became worthless after the eruption on the Mediterranean island of Thera -- north of Crete and also known as Santorini -- which ejected ash that obscured the sky all the way to Central Europe for 20 to 25 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at monstersandcritics.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: akrotiri; calliste; catastrophism; germany; godsgravesglyphs; nebraskydisc; santorini; science; thera
nebraskydisc keyword chrono sort:
1 posted on 08/23/2010 4:41:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Close by, they found a rock inscribed with what appears to be very loud, horn-driven music...it’s called
.
.
.
.
.
(wait for it)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
the Nebra Ska


2 posted on 08/23/2010 4:43:20 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gleeaikin; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ..
Maybe the rest of the place settings got broken one by one, and they couldn't get the pattern anymore.
 
Catastrophism
 
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · subscribe ·
 

3 posted on 08/23/2010 4:43:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRios1968

That was worth the wait. :’)


4 posted on 08/23/2010 4:44:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 21twelve; 240B; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; 3AngelaD; ..

· join list or digest · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post a topic · subscribe ·

 
Gods
Graves
Glyphs
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother, and Ernest_at_the_Beach
 

·Dogpile · Archaeologica · Mirabilis.ca · LiveScience · Biblical Archaeology Society ·
· Discover · Bronze Age Forum · Science Daily · Science News · Eurekalert · PhysOrg ·
· Nat Geographic · Texas AM Anthro News · Yahoo Anthro & Archaeo · Google ·
· Archaeology · The Archaeology Channel · Excerpt, or Link only? · cgk's list of ping lists ·
· History topic · history keyword · archaeology keyword · paleontology keyword ·
· Science topic · science keyword · Books/Literature topic · pages keyword · ·


5 posted on 08/23/2010 4:45:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

What can I say, the jokes sometimes write themselves and I am just a conduit...


6 posted on 08/23/2010 4:49:49 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

7 posted on 08/23/2010 4:55:10 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRios1968; SunkenCiv

I found the story nebralous.


8 posted on 08/23/2010 4:56:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Me-Bra sky disk discarded because of volcanic ash, scientists say By Aug 23, 2010, 15:49 GMT
Deutsche Presse-Agentur ^ | Monday, August 23, 2010 | Thomas Schoene

Posted on 8/23/10 4:41:32 PM by SunkenCiv

A catastrophic volcanic eruption spewing huge clouds of ash about 3,600 years ago was behind the burial of the Me-Bra sky disk, one of the most spectacular archaeological finds in recent years, according to scientists at Mainz and Halle-Wittenberg universities in Germany.

The 3,600-year-old disk, discovered in 1999 near the town of Me-Bra in the eastern German state of Saxony-Anhalt, is the oldest known representation of the night sky. It is thought by some to have been used as an astronomical clock to determine when to add a thirteenth Wunderbar month synchronising the lunar calendar with the solar year.

The Me-Bra disk would be held against the sky, and when the position of the two celestial objects matched those on the disk, the intercalary Wunderbar month would be added. Scientists said the Me-Bra disk became worthless after the eruption on the Mediterranean island of Thera — north of Crete and also known as Santorini — which ejected ash that obscured the sky all the way to Central Europe for 20 to 25 years, thus rendering any North Sea beach fraulein watching useless until the invention of the Wunderbar-Month-Bra 30 years later, shortened in the German vernacular to the “Wunderbra”.


9 posted on 08/23/2010 4:59:38 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bunkerhill7

Until I realized it was satire, I was about to lingerie at your throat. ;’)


10 posted on 08/23/2010 5:14:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker

Looks a little like Forrest, Forrest Gump’s invention (when he wiped off his face on that t-shirt).


11 posted on 08/23/2010 5:16:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

Have a nice day!


12 posted on 08/23/2010 5:26:44 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker; bunkerhill7; JRios1968; SunkenCiv
Anyone out there know EXACTLY what this thing is???

I think it may be some kind of astronomical device. The "case" I found it in had the inscription: "When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars..."

Been pulling my HAIR out trying to figger it out!!!

13 posted on 08/23/2010 6:23:55 PM PDT by bigheadfred (apoplectic purple)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
"Scientists said the disk became worthless after the eruption on the Mediterranean island of Thera -- north of Crete and also known as Santorini -- which ejected ash that obscured the sky all the way to Central Europe for 20 to 25 years."

I wonder how many people died of starvation across the world?

Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed

KINGSTON, R.I. – August 23, 2006 – An international team of scientists has found that the second largest volcanic eruption in human history, the massive Bronze Age eruption of Thera in Greece, was much larger and more widespread than previously believed.

14 posted on 08/23/2010 6:52:03 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam

maybe 40 years of wandering in the desert wasn’t so bad with all that ash in the air...


15 posted on 08/23/2010 7:00:01 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

“the Mediterranean island of Thera — north of Crete and also known as Santorini”

.
The island is Thera, but the existing city is Santorini.


16 posted on 08/23/2010 7:04:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stefanbatory
"maybe 40 years of wandering in the desert wasn’t so bad with all that ash in the air..."

Yup...a bunch of other things were happening also. The plume from Thera only had to be 30,000 feet to be seen in Egypt..."staff by day, torch by night..", that sort of stuff.

BTW, Pinatubo was 26,000 feet high.

17 posted on 08/23/2010 7:08:03 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: bigheadfred

That appears to be a target that I used just once, about 40 years ago.


18 posted on 08/23/2010 7:08:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: stefanbatory
Found this doing a search on the Nebra disk

A bit of relativity?

40 Days

19 posted on 08/23/2010 7:09:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred (apoplectic purple)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: blam

“Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed”

.
Charles Pelligrino wrote a book, “Unearthing Atlantis,” in around 1990 that effectively established that fact, but only as a supporting point; not as the main thesis.


20 posted on 08/23/2010 7:15:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: bigheadfred

That idea is not supported in the text of Genesis.

There is considerable temporal information in the chapter that is in full agreement with the 40 days.

Perhaps the 40 days became accepted as a general idiom for a long period because of that text?


21 posted on 08/23/2010 7:22:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
Perhaps the 40 days became accepted as a general idiom for a long period because of that text?

Seems logical to me.

I was also interested in the mention of the 40 days system of calendar keeping. Maybe the reason they no longer used the disc was a different, or updated, system came into use and the ash cloud theory is only a theory.

22 posted on 08/23/2010 7:39:57 PM PDT by bigheadfred (apoplectic purple)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: blam

Zero. :’)


23 posted on 08/24/2010 4:23:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: bigheadfred

It won’t be useful for another couple of centuries yet. :’)


24 posted on 08/24/2010 4:24:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: stefanbatory

Was Thera coincident with the Exodus?
(Or am I just being dense and missing a joke...)


25 posted on 08/24/2010 5:10:18 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker

Anyone know which stars are pictured on the disc?


26 posted on 08/24/2010 5:11:09 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: RadiationRomeo

roughly...but I wasn’t there so can’t be certain...


27 posted on 08/24/2010 5:27:27 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: RadiationRomeo; SunkenCiv
"Was Thera coincident with the Exodus?"

IMO, yes.

SunkenCiv and I quit arguing (without resolution) about this a couple years ago.

28 posted on 08/24/2010 8:19:58 AM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: bigheadfred
Anyone out there know EXACTLY what this thing is???

It was the object of veneration of a cargo cult that would worship it by watching it spin on a disk while in a drug induced trance. Often accompanied by sexual abandon.

29 posted on 08/24/2010 9:23:28 AM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: RadiationRomeo
Anyone know which stars are pictured on the disc?

All I've heard is the big objects look like the Sun and Moon or full Moon and Moon. The cluster might be the Pleiades. What the swish is is a good question. The Milky Way or a Solar or Lunar arc?

30 posted on 08/24/2010 9:27:06 AM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker

I guess Pleides too. Sirius should be there somewhere.
Maybe the swish is the Orian belt. I will look into this more.


31 posted on 08/24/2010 11:56:34 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker

Another link mentioned this was found within a circular wall that was used for astronomical observations. The semicircular region on the edge might be a paticular part of the wall, maybe toward the east.

The cluster of 7 stars could be the 7 sisters of the Pleidies.
To the left and upward of these looks like the W of Cassiopiea.
On the left edge you see a double star. This maybe the double star of the big dipper handle that is visible with acute naked eyes.
I don’t have guesses for the rest.


32 posted on 08/24/2010 12:13:04 PM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: RadiationRomeo

Well, like Freud said, sometimes a star is just a star, or something like that. :-))


33 posted on 08/24/2010 12:19:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: blam

Wait, I thought you conceded defeat. ;’)


34 posted on 08/24/2010 5:05:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, pp 279-289
13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1180724/posts


35 posted on 08/24/2010 5:25:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

The island is indeed called Santorini — there is no town by that name on the island.


36 posted on 08/24/2010 5:39:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv
"Wait, I thought you conceded defeat. ;’)"

Nah. Waiting for more data.

37 posted on 08/24/2010 7:43:57 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson