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'Mad Men' gets an 'A' for awkward
CNN.com ^ | 08/23/2010 | Jennifer Smith

Posted on 08/24/2010 9:10:11 AM PDT by OldDeckHand

Is it just me, or were there some capital “A” for "Awkward" moments on last night’s ”Mad Men”?

SCDP found itself vying for a lucrative Honda contract with competing firm Cutler Gleason Chaough. CGC poached the Clearasil and Jai Alai accounts from SCDP and agency partner Ted Chaough was a particular thorn in Don’s side, so it was important that our boys at SCDP won the account.

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Now, let’s all grab our blankies, go to our respective happy places and talk about Sally Draper for a minute. What else can you really say about last night other than, “poor Sally”? Ten-years-old and shuttled between an absent parent and a terrible one, Sally began acting out in earnest.

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Betty was infuriated with Don and slapped Sally upon seeing her butchered locks. Henry acted as the voice of reason and told Betty that grounding Sally would only make her act out further. Then at a sleepover later in the episode, Sally indulged in a little self-exploration and was caught by her friend’s mother. Oh, Sally, I’m mortified on your behalf!

Horrified, the girl’s mother brought Sally home in the middle of the night and told Betty what had transpired. Betty, the clear frontrunner for 1965’s Mother of the Year, shamed and threatened Sally and decided that she needed to see a therapist. Ugh. She really is just awful.

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This was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever watched on a television show. First, the subject-matter is just uncomfortable, but second - and most importantly - I couldn't help but think what was going through the mind of this YOUNG actress while she's being given direction on this "act" by some middle-aged man director on a sound-stage surrounded by teamsters. What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

The "actress", Kiernan Shipka, was born November 10, 1999

1 posted on 08/24/2010 9:10:15 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
Well, I had to giggle when it turns out that Sally was "aroused" by the tied and bound image of "Ilya Kuriakin" from Man from Uncle. One of the reasons I watch the show is the jarring nostalgia, the way I'd forgotten about so many things from my childhood--the chain-smoking, the fashions, the attitudes.

We know a little bit more about the writer of this show, don't we? A little bondage, maybe? Like getting turned on by the effeminate character from a sixties spy show?

2 posted on 08/24/2010 9:14:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: OldDeckHand

I find the show philosophically Nihilist.

I can’t watch.


3 posted on 08/24/2010 9:17:18 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why are 100% of Rape / Assaults in Oslo, Norway, committed by Muslims?)
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To: OldDeckHand

I am seriously considering not watching that show anymore. At least when Peter Weir directed “Witness” he told the child actor playing the Amish boy viewing the crime just to look through a door; the rest of the scene showing the murder was filmed separately and not mentioned to that juvenile thespian. But this most recent episode was despicable and at the very least I am complaining. It is one thing to have an adult actress portraying self-gratification, but showing a little girl is, well, child pornography. Unsurprisingly some men lust for this subject. (I turned off the sound during those scenes once I realized what was going on...ugh.)


4 posted on 08/24/2010 9:21:08 AM PDT by Andrea19
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To: Uncle Miltie

Ahhhh I DVDr’d it watching it tonight.


5 posted on 08/24/2010 9:21:35 AM PDT by exist
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To: Uncle Miltie

After merely reading about this inane show, I feel a need to watch “Conagher” or “Zulu” or something.


6 posted on 08/24/2010 9:22:30 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Mamzelle
"One of the reasons I watch the show is the jarring nostalgia, the way I'd forgotten about so many things from my childhood--the chain-smoking, the fashions, the attitudes. "

Me too. I'm roughly the age of Drapper's second oldest, so I saw those days through that same prism. But, while the artifacts of nostalgia bring back long-forgotten memories, the family dynamic that is being portrayed is COMPLETELY foreign to me. I'm not saying there weren't families just like this, but I grew up in a loud, Catholic Italian family with an entirely different dynamic.

I don't know if Betty Draper is a caricature of Matt Weiner's (the Producer and show-runner) own mother, but she doesn't remind me of anyone in my own childhood.

7 posted on 08/24/2010 9:22:52 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: exist

One of the best written, best acted shows on tv.


8 posted on 08/24/2010 9:22:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Mamzelle

“Ilya Kuriakin” effeminate character ???!!!


9 posted on 08/24/2010 9:23:16 AM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: Puppage
One of the best written, best acted shows on tv.

Which ain't sayin much.

10 posted on 08/24/2010 9:24:47 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: OldDeckHand

I was wondering what they told her. It’s entirely possible they directed her to act more ‘sneaky’ than ‘naughty’. Clever editing takes care of the rest.


11 posted on 08/24/2010 9:25:04 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: OldDeckHand

Mad Men is fiction. On cable. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. You seem to be advocating censorship, yes?


12 posted on 08/24/2010 9:25:04 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
"Mad Men is fiction. On cable. Don’t like it? Don’t watch it. You seem to be advocating censorship, yes?"

I'm not advocating anything. I'm merely questioning what this very young actress was told do on camera, and the wisdom of the parents to have their child simulate such an act and in front of so many people no less.

13 posted on 08/24/2010 9:27:45 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Uncle Miltie

I watched part of one episode and I don’t get what the allure of the show is.

The acting, particularly that of the protagonist, is marginal, and the subject matter is so...irrelevant.

The only good reason I can think of to watch the show is Christina Hendricks, and even I’m not that desperate.


14 posted on 08/24/2010 9:28:39 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: OldDeckHand

I watch the show with a one week lag, but I don’t mind the spoiler.

The best scene in the previous episode was when Draper asked his secretary to type her own letter of resignation. They had developed his passive-aggressiveness well.

As for the most recent episode, sexual awakening occurred then for many of us who read FR. I hope they used a double for this little girl.

The era was most interesting, but much of the liberal disease that afflicts us can be traced to 1963-1969. I love the details: the wall hangings, lamps, buzzer to the secretary, typewriters with ribbons, liquor in the office, chain smoking, dead from lung cancer at age 52 etc.


15 posted on 08/24/2010 9:29:33 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Retired Greyhound
The only good reason I can think of to watch the show is Christina Hendricks

You mean the only two good reasons. ;)

16 posted on 08/24/2010 9:29:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: OldDeckHand

She was sitting on the couch, fully clothed. The only direction would have been, “Sit there and stare into space”. Nothing was shown. It was all covered in the reaction of the friend’s mother and the subsequent conversation with Betty.

Criticize the subject matter, but don’t imply that Miss Shipka was somehow shown on-screen ‘in the act’.


17 posted on 08/24/2010 9:34:22 AM PDT by Textide
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To: dfwgator
I like how they juxtapose real events with plot, like Peggy finding about the Kennedy assassination in the middle of a ‘nooner’.
18 posted on 08/24/2010 9:36:05 AM PDT by AU72
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To: OldDeckHand

I was enjoying the precise art direction. However, I got to the place where the characters were so nauseating, that I couldn’t care about them any more.


19 posted on 08/24/2010 9:36:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: Retired Greyhound
"I watched part of one episode and I don’t get what the allure of the show is."

Perhaps that was the problem - you only watched part of one episode. Broadcast television shows tells stories in 40 minute packages - micro plays. This show, like some of the other better cable dramas, tells several stories over a season(s), like the Sapranos or Deadwood.

I would think if you only watched a few minutes of a heady drama like Mad Men, you probably wouldn't be too impressed except for the set decoration and costuming perhaps. I might also think if you only watched a few minutes of Lawrence of Arabia, or Gone With the Wind, you might wonder what all the hubbub was about there, as well.

20 posted on 08/24/2010 9:38:28 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Textide
"Criticize the subject matter, but don’t imply that Miss Shipka was somehow shown on-screen ‘in the act’."

I'm pretty sure I didn't "imply" that, especially considering the description that I POSTED from the author's own story.

I think most of the reasonably intelligent people got that. I'm sorry you didn't.

21 posted on 08/24/2010 9:40:26 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Textide

Agreed. It was suggestive, but nothing more.

No where near what Scorsese directed a young (13?) Jodie Fisher to do.


22 posted on 08/24/2010 9:40:41 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: OldDeckHand

Usually when someone is quoted, it’s either in quotes or italics. Yours appeared in the first post of the thread with neither.

In that case, I’m glad you don’t see it as inappropriate direction either.


23 posted on 08/24/2010 9:44:47 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Retired Greyhound

I cancelled TV a year ago because it is ALL obama and dem propaganda. Before I cancelled I saw some trailers for this trash. Just more stylish junk. Oh yeah they got the makeup, interiors, clothing, haircuts and other crpa just perfect with glib dialogue making all the white christians and wasps look like evil, back stabbing, chain smoking, adulterious creeps who sell the masses with adevrtising that lies.

TV is such s**t. Post Nov 2008 - I really loathe the propaganda boxes. Someone here will bash me that Tv is mom and apple pie. TV is addictive and it is now used like Stalin used radios that you could not turn off in the USSR.

Sports is one of the worst. Stupid Christian Tim Tebow versus the wonderful Muslim player and many other examples.


24 posted on 08/24/2010 9:54:12 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: OldDeckHand

I watched for a few minutes and turned it off.

It was just a nasty, negative show that made me feel icky.

And the acting wasn’t even good.


25 posted on 08/24/2010 9:57:49 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Puppage

Couldn’t watch it. I do like “Rubicon.”


26 posted on 08/24/2010 10:01:03 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: moehoward

Brooke Shield was 14 when she was in “Pretty baby”.


27 posted on 08/24/2010 10:01:21 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: OldDeckHand
I couldn't help but think what was going through the mind of this YOUNG actress while she's being given direction on this "act" by some middle-aged man director on a sound-stage surrounded by teamsters. What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

That's been bothering me as well. I really think they could have come up with another vehicle to illustrate Sally's growing disfunction stemming from her parents' divorce, although, I suppose it wouldn't win them an award for being "cutting edge".

28 posted on 08/24/2010 10:03:29 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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To: Frantzie

I have considered cancelling TV. I mostly watch DVDs anyway.

It is alarming how involved people are in their TV shows. It’s like an alternate reality for people to live vicariously through.

I’m confused about my literature, but wasn’t it Bradbury who wrote about TV becoming interactive in the future, with people participating via remote controls?

TV is the greatest weapon of mind control.


29 posted on 08/24/2010 10:09:03 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Perdogg

no she wasn’t she was twelve


30 posted on 08/24/2010 10:12:16 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: OldDeckHand
What kind of parent puts their kid through this?

Only idiots. Period.

31 posted on 08/24/2010 10:15:06 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OldDeckHand

I eagerly bought the first season. Watched it expecting it to be wonderfully nostalgic and stylish. But the stories turned out to be lame sex soap operas, not the culture, business, and creative side I wanted. Never thought once about picking up season two.


32 posted on 08/24/2010 10:21:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Anything worth doing, is worth doing badly at first.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Serialization of stories has always gotten people highly addicted, even back when that serialization was done in newspapers and pamphlets. Serialization really taps into the basic way the human brain gets pleasure, the story goes for a while, then ends in some kind of cliff hanger, then you get to anticipate it and discuss it for a week or a month and then BAM the next installment comes out and you get the reward of them fixing the cliff hanger and then you get another cliff hanger. It’s no different for TV shows than it was for One Thousand and One Nights.


33 posted on 08/24/2010 10:24:22 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Thank you. People have jumped all over me for pointing it out. It is mind control. I went over to a realtive’s house to watch the pets for a few days. Big screen, high def, the whole 9 yards. Decided to watch the golf tourney where they fawn over Tiger and bash Phil.

I felt like I was on crack cocaine or some addictive drug. I turned it off after a short time but had the endless “dumb white guy” commercials - three in a row. Fed Ex, Konica/Minolta and another one.

I loathe TV. I think Netflix is Reed Hasting of Hastings Entertainment and he is a good guy.

I really hope interactive video and the internet kill TV. It is awful and is ALL propaganda now.


34 posted on 08/24/2010 10:28:09 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie

TiVO and DVR are really hurting TV, so I hope that continues.

Broadcast TV has become repugnant. I was flipping channels a few months. Some show on ABC showed a scene with a post-coital, panting woman rolling off of a man in bed.They were both covered by the blanket, so there was no nudity, but it was amazing how sexual it was.

Believe me, I’m no prude. But it was really surprising to see that on “regular” TV.


35 posted on 08/24/2010 10:32:50 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Disgusting. The scene left little to the imagination. The networks are ALL pro-Obama and Victory mosque. The networks own the majority of all the cable channels. Their sprots divisions are filled with liberals. TV is disgusting.


36 posted on 08/24/2010 10:35:29 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: OldDeckHand
I'm not advocating anything. I'm merely questioning what this very young actress was told do on camera, and the wisdom of the parents to have their child simulate such an act and in front of so many people no less.

I see. You're advocating taking a child away from her parents' control for not exercising the control over her you'd like. Another Liberal talking point? Actors act.

37 posted on 08/24/2010 10:35:38 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Retired Greyhound
Some show on ABC showed a scene with a post-coital, panting woman rolling off of a man in bed.They were both covered by the blanket, so there was no nudity, but it was amazing how sexual it was.

I wouldn't be shocked if that was on the so-called ABC "Family" Channel.

38 posted on 08/24/2010 10:38:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pabianice
"Another Liberal talking point? Actors act. "

Have you always been this obtuse, or is it something that required a tremendous amount of effort?

39 posted on 08/24/2010 11:01:22 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

I am still watching the first season. I especially like the very first episode. It seems like a good show but there are so many people to figure out....lol.


40 posted on 08/24/2010 11:34:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Mamzelle

I didn’t know Ilya was effeminate.


41 posted on 08/24/2010 11:40:45 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Andrea19

Well, It didn’t look like she actually did anything. It gave you the IDEA of what she was about to do without her actually doing it. Very Hitchcockian actually. I had to back up and watch it again to make sure that what it sounded like the lady was accusing her of was actually what she was accusing her of.


42 posted on 08/24/2010 11:43:32 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: OldDeckHand

Umm... hate to say this, but sounds like we’re about the same age and it was uncomfortably like that for me in my family. Actually not until later, and my dad was no Jon Hamm and my mom was no Jan Jones. Although Jon Hamm did go to the same private school in St. Louis where my uncle used to teach. Probably had him for class, but that’s another story. We were pretty happy in 1965, as far as I knew, but there was that incident in which Mom flew off to Wichita for a long weekend. Nobody was talking about why.


43 posted on 08/24/2010 11:46:36 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: OldDeckHand

I watched it, and I love it.

About time the toll of divorce gets a public hearing. My mom was Betty Draper. Period. My mom, however, was stoned a good bit of the time.

Dad worked three jobs.

Thank God for the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts of America. I avoided the meth and coke habit my younger brother picked up. My youngest is five years younger, and had the benefit of some correction enforced by my Dad on my mom.

I hope the touch on all the new age crap that made the rounds at the time. EST and TM were big in my house. I have friends in my company whose parents were part of a Christian commune, which was more commune and less Christian.


44 posted on 08/24/2010 11:55:32 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: LS

Can’t watch Rubicon — BOOOORING!


45 posted on 08/24/2010 12:07:51 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I think it demonstrates how the world of Leave It To Beaver, and the world that led to the one we have today actually coexisted, and one sort of crashed into the other. It shows people who don’t swear, and always dress nicely, yet smoke, drink, chase tail, drunk drive, smoke dope, whatever.

Everyone in America wasn’t dissipating at the rate of these characters, but Madison Avenue had a reputation for this kind of behavior. And everybody WAS coming home and knocking back a few drinks every night, and the divorce rate DID skyrocket.


46 posted on 08/24/2010 12:13:46 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ichabod1

Guess that’s the difference between us. It is slow, no doubt, but I think they are building a nice story. I don’t need a cliched statement about how bad life was in the 50s or early 60s every minute that I see with MM. On the other hand, Rubicon has made a couple of veiled political ignorant comments.


47 posted on 08/24/2010 12:19:41 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I just realized - it’s Gone With The Wind. A beautiful civilization, a way of living, GONE, wiped out to be replaced by... what?


48 posted on 08/24/2010 12:24:07 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: OldDeckHand
Have you always been this obtuse, or is it something that required a tremendous amount of effort?

Ah. The ad hominem attack -- the last, cowardly option open to those who have no real argument.

49 posted on 08/24/2010 12:39:40 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
"Ah. The ad hominem attack -- the last, cowardly option open to those who have no real argument. "

Spare me the righteous indignation, hypocrite. TWO POSTS in a row, you lay ridiculously unfounded straw-man fallacies on me, then you bitch about an ad hominem.

Get over yourself. You're neither intelligent, nor "edgy".

50 posted on 08/24/2010 12:43:27 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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