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Posted on 08/27/2010 2:44:56 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich
My pastor challenged me to prove Obama is allowing federal funding for abortions. Recall he signed an executive order not allowing such. I told him this has been violated. Please post some links proving him wrong. Thanks
The Obama administration has officially approved the first instance of taxpayer funded abortions under the new national government-run health care program. This is the kind of abortion funding the pro-life movement warned about when Congress considered the bill.
The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new “high-risk” insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March.
It has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of pro-abortion Governor Edward Rendell under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in Pennsylvania.
The high-risk pool program is one of the new programs created by the sweeping health care legislation, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed into law on March 23. The law authorizes $5 billion in federal funds for the program, which will cover as many as 400,000 people when it is implemented nationwide.
“The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million in federal tax funds, which we’ve discovered will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion,” said Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee.
Johnson told LifeNews.com: “This is just the first proof of the phoniness of President Obama’s assurances that federal funds would not subsidize abortion — but it will not be the last.”
Sounds like I would look for a new church if the pastor love obama. Sounds like them baby killing Notre Dame Catholics.
Might be time to find a new church.
A little reading may help you.
Is your pastor a Christian?
Anyway - show him this...
President Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record: A Pro-Life Compilation
“Sounds like I would look for a new church if the pastor love obama.”
And I would look for a new MIL if I didn’t love my husband so much, but luckily she lives 1400 miles away :)
Nothing about Obama is Christian.
A pastor should KNOW what Obama is about.
This church seems to be mistaking humanism for Christianity. Move on!
LOL! Is your MIL a pastor in one of those weird lesbian churches?
I would think that Obama’s record in Illinois and the Senate would be sufficient. Does he need to see a receipt?
I too think you ought to find a new church. One of Obama’s first legislative achievements was to include a provision, within the 2009-2010 military budget, prosecuting pastors who preach hatred. Let’s say your pastor preaches on Romans 1st chapter which denounces homosexuality. Someone happens to walk in your church during the sermon and hears the message. Then he/she commits a crime against someone who happens to be a homosexual. Not only is the bad guy prosecuted but your preacher can be as well. No fooling. Obama got the help from Pelosi and Reed for this verbiage. This is the first time any president signed such a provision. I would ask your preacher is he is aware of this provision in the military budget and the fact that he voted for someone who is willing to send him to jail.
Get a new Church. This one can’t be saved, don’t waste your time.
I may have made a mistake when posting because the person asking for help did not say the pastor was pro Obama.
He may have been asking for proof that Obama said that.
I did not catch that in their post. Maybe the original poster could fill us in where the pastor was going with the question. He could be one of those lib nutty pastors.
“My pastor challenged me to prove Obama is allowing federal funding for abortions.”
Sounds to me like it is the Pator who is “challenged” if ya know whut I mean.
CASES IN POINT A federal probe was requested by three high ranking lawmakers with congressional oversight responsibilities into whether the Obama Administration broke federal laws by promoting a proposed constitution that radically changes abortion policy in Kenya.
Empowered by Obama, the ACLU Demands NY Investigate Catholic Hospitals Refusing Life-saving Abortions........
Obama DOJ nominee Dawn Johnsen saw a great danger to liberty in laws enacted to protect babies in the womb...... it was OK to make such laws to protect the interests of the woman carrying unborn child -- or to protect whatever interest the baby may have retroactively in its fetal existence if it is ever born alive -- but it was not OK to make such laws in the interest of the unborn child itself.
What Obama and Michelle Believe re: Aborted Babies Born Alive
FR POSTED http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2253212/posts?page=6
In February 2004, US Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law (prohibiting doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls).
Michelle Obama called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure. " She urged supporters to pay $150 to attend a fund-raising luncheon for her husband, who she promised would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it.
BACKGROUND Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted. BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery. The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.
But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. Obama worried aloud that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights.
In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.
BAIPA passed in 2005.........after Obama left the Illinois Senate.
...but show them to him first he needs to get the truth even if he doesn't want to believe it.
Sounds like you need a new church.
You should be asking your pastor why he loves abortion.
Any executive order in violation of the law is unenforcable and the administration knows this. They just lost an appeal of where they approved funding for stem cell research in direct violation of a law stating that federal funding could not be used for stem cell research.
Therefore, O knows that any “executive order” prohibiting the expendature of federal funds for abortions is not worth the paper it’s printed on.
LOL - not in her current life, but had seen been born 15-20 years later, it wouldn’t totally surprise me. Let’s just say I’m from Texas and though I only see her once a year, I usually just about lose half my tongue and one cheek from biting them from the stuff she says over the few days that they visit. Oh - I know - female version of Keith Olbermann. Does that help explain it?
She just reminded me of OP’s pastor because that’s something she’d do...she wants people to “prove” stuff or challenge her, says stuff like OP’s pastor (and much, much worse I presume). But, OP, in all seriousness - if your pastor was an internally honest person, they would seek the truth themselves. I’ve found in life that people like your pastor and my MIL just want to keep others busy (confirming what they already know) and if you present them with the evidence, they either won’t read it or will choose to ignore the facts. I hope I’m wrong about your pastor though - maybe he means it?
I’m sorry. If you have a pastor that’s this out of the loop on Obama, then I wouldn’t want him lecturing me on the Bible.
If he can’t take the time to see if a politician is funding— or is in favor of— the killing of unborn children then there’s nothing I need to learn from him.
Do yourself a favor and read the Bible yourself. (Sorry, that’s just how I feel.)
No offense, get the hell out of that church now. Your pastor cannot tell good from evil.
I’ve left parishes because of liberal pastors before, prove the fool wrong and then leave.
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — The following is a compilation of bill signings, speeches, appointments and other actions that President Barack Obama has engaged in that have promoted abortion before and during his presidency. While Obama has promised to reduce abortions and some of his supporters believe that will happen, this long list proves his only agenda is promoting more abortions.
During the presidential election, Obama selected pro-abortion Sen. Joe Biden as his vice-presidential running mate.
Post-Election / Pre-Inauguration
November 5, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion Rep. Rahm Emanuel as his White House Chief of Staff. Emanuel has a 0% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.
November 19, 2008 - Obama picks pro-abortion former Sen. Tom Daschle as his Health and Human Services Secretary. Daschle has a long pro-abortion voting record according to National Right to Life.
November 20, 2008 - Obama chooses former NARAL legal director Dawn Johnsen to serve as a member of his Department of Justice Review Team. Later, he finalizes her appointment as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.
November 24, 2008 - Obama appoints Ellen Moran, the former director of the pro-abortion group Emily’s List as his White House communications director. Emily’s List only supports candidates who favored taxpayer funded abortions and opposed a partial-birth abortion ban.
November 24, 2008 - Obama puts former Emily’s List board member Melody Barnes in place as his director of the Domestic Policy Council.
November 30, 2008 - Obama named pro-abortion Sen. Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State. Clinton has an unblemished pro-abortion voting record and has supported making unlimited abortions an international right.
December 10, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion former Clinton administration official Jeanne Lambrew to become the deputy director of the White House Office of Health Reform. Planned Parenthood is “excited” about the selection.
December 10, 2008 - Obama transition team publishes memo from dozens of pro-abortion groups listing their laundry list of pro-abortions actions they want him to take.
Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2009
January 5, 2009 - Obama picks pro-abortion Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as the chairman of the Democratic Party.
January 6, 2009 - Obama chooses Thomas Perrelli, the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavos husband Michael in his efforts to kill his disabled wife, as the third highest attorney in the Justice Department.
January 22, 2009 - Releases statement restating support for Roe v. Wade decision that allowed virtually unlimited abortions and has resulted in at least 50 million abortions since 1973.
January 23, 2009 - Forces taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. Decison to overturn Mexico City Policy sends part of $457 million to pro-abortion organizations.
January 26, 2009 - Obama nominee for Deputy Secretary of State, James B. Steinberg, tells members of the Senate that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions. Nominee erroneously says limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.
January 29, 2009 - President Obama nominates pro-abortion David Ogden as Deputy Attorney General.
February 12, 2009 - Obama nominates pro-abortion Elena Kagan to serve as Solicitor General.
February 27, 2009 - Starts the process of overturning pro-life conscience protections President Bush put in place to make sure medical staff and centers are not forced to do abortions.
February 28, 2009 - Barack Obama nominates pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius to become Secretary of Health and Human Services.
March 5, 2009 - The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business, made the invitation list as did other pro-abortion groups.
March 9, 2009 - President Barack Obama signed an executive order forcing taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.
March 10, 2009 - Obama announces the creation of a new foreign policy position to focus on women’s issues. He names Melanne Verveer, an abortion advocate, to occupy the post.
March 10, 2009 - Reverses an executive order to press for more research into ways of obtaining embryonic stem cells without harming human life. The order Obama scrapped would have promoted new forms of stem cell research.
March 11, 2009 - Obama signed an executive order establishing a new agency within his administration known as the White House Council on Women and Girls. Obama’s director of public liaison at the White House, Tina Tchen, an abortion advocate, became director of it.
March 11, 2009 - Obama adminitration promotes an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting.
March 11, 2009 - Obama administration officials deny negative effects of abortion at United Nation’s meeting.
March 17, 2009 - President Barack Obama makes his first judicial appointment and names pro-abortion federal Judge David Hamilton to serve on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
March 26 - President Obama announced $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that has been criticized for promoting abortion and working closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.
April 7 - The Vatican has rejected three Obama ambassador nominees because of their positions in favor of abortions.
April 7 - Obama has named pro-abortion law professor Harold Hongju Koh as the top lawyer for the State Department.
April 7 - Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for faith-based issues.
April 8 - Obama nominee for assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, Ron Weich, is pro-abortion.
April 14 - Obama administration releases document that claims pro-life people may engage in violence or extremism.
April 17 - Obama administration releases the proposed guidelines that implement his decision to allow taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research that involves the destruction of human life.
April 23 - Refused to appeal a ruling requiring the FDA to allow 17-year-old girls to purchase the morning after pill without either a doctor visit or parental involvement beforehand.
April 27 - Obama’s women’s ambassador Melanne Verveer touted Obama’s decision to send $50 million to the United Nation’s Population Fund.
May 5 - Details emerge about a terrorism dictionary the administration of President Barack Obama put together in March. The Domestic Extremism Lexicon calls pro-life advocates violent and claims they employ racist overtones in engaging in criminal actions.
May 8 - President Obama releases a new budget that allows the Legal Services Corporation to use tax dollars to pay for pro-abortion litigation.
May 8 - President Obama’s new budget calls for taxpayer funded abortions in the nation’s capital.
May 8 - President Obama’s budget eliminates all federal funding for abstinence-only education.
May 15 - Appointed pro-abortion New York City health commissioner Thomas Frieden as head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
May 17 - During his commencement speech at Notre Dame, Obama deceived listeners into thinking he wants a conscience clause, promoted embryonic stem cell research and misstated his pro-abortion record.
May 26 - Appoints appeals court judge Sonia Sonotmayor as a Supreme Court nominee. Sotomayor agrees that the courts should make policy, such as the Roe v. Wade case. Sotomayor is later opposed by pro-life groups and supported by pro-abortion groups and those who know her say she will support abortion on the high court.
July 2- Calls for an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nation’s meeting.
July 7- The Obama administration admits it ignored the majority of Americans who opposed the proposed guidelines that would implement Obama’s decision to force taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research.
July 14 - Obama science czar nominee John Holdren is revealed to have written before that he favors forced abortions.
July 30 - Awards several pro-abortion activists with the 2009 Presidential Medal of Freedom.
July 31 - Tells the National Institutes of Health to adopt rules that allow embryonic stem cell research.
August 4 - Information becomes public that Ezekiel Emanuel, an Obama advisor at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, supports rationing health care for disabled Americans that could lead to euthanasia.
August 6 - Obama criticized for asking for people to “snitch” on groups and people who oppose the pro-abortion health care bills in Congress.
August 13 - Obama wrongly said a senator backed the pro-euthanasia components of the health care bill.
August 23 - Said pro-life advocates were making “phony claims” about the health care bills. Also said the claims were false.
August 24 - Releases veterans guide promoting euthanasia.
September 13 - Misleads on the federal conscience clause in a health care speech and misleads on abortion funding.
September 13 - Obama waits two days to comment on shooting of pro-life advocate whereas he commented immediately on shooting of abortion practitioner.
September 15 - Senate confirms Obama’s new regulatory czar Cass Sunstein, who is pro-abortion.
October 5 - Selected pro-abortion lawyer and Georgetown University law professor Chai Feldblum for the EEOC.
October 5 - Anounces he will give the keynote speech for pro-abortion group Human Rights Campaign.
October 19 - Obama’s serve.gov web site promotes the Planned Parenthood abortion business.
October 21 - Obama administration web site promotes pro-abortion health care bills.
November 6 - Endorsed the House version of the health care bill that, at the time, contained massive abortion funding, rationing and assisted suicide promotion.
November 26 - Copies Thanksgiving proclamation of President Bush but leaves out pro-life message.
December 2 - Authorized taxpayer funding for embryonic stem cell research that kills days-old unborn children.
December 3 - A pro-abortion Obama judicial pick, Louis Butler, is approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.
December 7 - Announces his endorsement of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill.
December 16 - Obama administration forces Americans a second time to spend millions more on embryonic stem cell research that destroys human life.
December 17 - Signed a bill that overturned the 13-year-long ban on funding abortions with tax dollars in the nation’s capital.
Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2010
January 18, 2010 - Gives speech supporting pro-abortion Senate candidate Martha Coakley.
January 26, 2010 - Renominates radical pro-abortion activist Dawn Johnsen to a top Justice Department position.
January 28, 2010 - Promotes the pro-abortion health care bill in the State of the Union address.
February 2, 2010 - Submits new budget calling for taxpayer funding of abortions and more money for Planned Parenthood.
February 5, 2010 - The Obama administration issued a new order for the U.S. military requiring all military hospitals and health centers to stock the morning after pill.
February 8, 2010 - The Obama administration admitted it improperly conducted a threat assessment on pro-life groups in Wisconson who were preparing to rally against a new abortion center at a University of Wisconsin health clinic.
February 16, 2010 - White House visitor logs reveal Obama has given Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards frequent access to top staffers.
February 22, 2010 - Unveils changes to the pro-abortion health care bill that keep abortion funding, expand abortion funding, and require a monthly abortion fee on Americans.
February 24, 2010 - Obama administration proposes expanding embryonic stem cell research further.
February 26, 2010 - Obama has selected pro-abortion magistrate judge Timothy Black for the District Court Bench for the Southern District of Ohio. Black gets the endorsement of NARAL.
March 3, 2010 - Officially decides to use the controversial reconciliation procedure to pass the pro-abortion health care bill over the filibuster rights of those opposed.
March 22, 2010 - Signs the pro-abortion health care bill into law that contains massive abortion funding, no conscience protections and rationing.
March 24, 2010 - Signs executive order purporting to ban abortion funding that leaves taxpayer funding of abortions in place.
March 26, 2010 - White House visitor logs show pro-abortion NARAL activist Nancy Keenan meeting with key Obama staffers frequently and invited to social functions.
March 29, 2010 - Uses recess appointment to name pro-abortion activist Chai Feldblum to the EEOC.
March 30, 2010 - Signs the reconciliation health care bill that does not contain any fixes for the massive abortion funding.
April 6, 2010 - Battle begins over pro-abortion Obama appeals court nominee Goodwin Liu.
April 7, 2010 - Obama administration pressures Kenya to adopt a new constitution that would legalize unlimited abortions.
April 15, 2010 - WHO applauds Obama administration for promoting abortion worldwide.
May 8, 2010 - Obama’s federal budget eliminates abstinence education funding.
May 10, 2010 - Names pro-abortion activist Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court; she is strongly opposed by pro-life groups.
May 26, 2010 - Congressman Chris Smith reports the Obama administration has spent $10 million potentially illegally promoting a pro-abortion constitution in Kenya.
May 27, 2010 - Obama selected Donald Berwick to become the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the office that oversees government health care programs. Berwick supports the rationing components of the British medical system.
June 17, 2010 - Obama administration, via FDA panel, approves the use of the new abortion drug ella.
June 23, 2010 - Obama administration approves more federal taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.
July 7, 2010 - Obama uses a recess appointment to name rationing advocate Donald Berwick to become the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
July 13, 2010 - It is discovered that the Obama administration planned to fund abortions in Pennsylvania in high risk insurance programs created through the national health care law Obama signed.
July 13, 2010 - It is discovered that the Obama administration planned to fund abortions in New Mexico in high risk insurance programs created through the national health care law Obama signed.
July 16, 2010 - The Obama administration also planned to fund abortions under the national health care plan in Maryland.
July 19, 2010 - A new report indicates the Obama administration has spent as much as $23 million to influence residents of Kenya to vote for a proposed constitution that essentially legalizes abortion.
July 22, 2010 - President Obama’s ambassador to Kenya openly endorses a proposed constitution that would essentially legalize abortion.
Either your pastor is woefully uninformed or he can’t discern evil.
Obama’s Senate record- the most radical pro-abortion candidate ever:
Townhall Columnists Terry Jeffrey Obama is the Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever
He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede — as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor — that these babies, fully outside their mothers’ wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact “persons.”
“Persons,” of course, are guaranteed equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment.
In 2004, U.S. Senate-candidate Obama mischaracterized his opposition to this legislation. Now, as a presidential frontrunner, he should be held accountable for what he actually said and did about the Born Alive Infants Bill.
State and federal versions of this bill became an issue earlier this decade because of “induced labor abortion.” This is usually performed on a baby with Down’s Syndrome or another problem discovered on the cusp of viability. A doctor medicates the mother to cause premature labor. Babies surviving labor are left untreated to die.
Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how “induced labor abortions” were handled at her hospital.
“One night,” she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, “a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down’s Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived.”
In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O’Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby’s rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a “homo sapiens” wholly emerged from his mother with a “beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles” should be treated as a “’person,’ ‘human being,’ ‘child’ and ‘individual.’”
Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he was “unfazed” by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.
On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted “present” on each, effectively the same as a “no.”
Obama Admin Authorized Abortion Funding in Third State Under Health Care Law
July 16, 2010
You should also ask this minister how he feels about homosexuals being Christians too.
Let him answer and present the evidence on Obama and LEAVE HIS CHURCH. Tell him why you are leaving too.
“Might be time to find a new church.”
Yeah, no kidding.
Three questions for the pastor:
1. Is the DNA of the fetus (”unborn child”, embryo, zygote...) human DNA? Yes.
2. Is that human DNA the same as the DNA of the mother or father? No.
3. Then, how is the life of the fetus not distinct from the life of the mother, given that DNA is the way we distinguish the identity between people?
I’ve posed this to abortion advocates in the past and they do not have a good response...
BTW, saw this bumper sticker recently: “Ever notice that everyone who supports abortion has already been born?”
Sounds like I would look for a new church if the pastor love obama. Sounds like them baby killing Notre Dame Catholics.
Or an ELCA pastor
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