Posted on 08/28/2010 6:35:34 PM PDT by marktwain
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Cleveland man turned the tables on four robbers late Thursday, grabbing one their guns and shooting one of the suspects dead.
The Cuyahoga County Coroner's office identified the dead man as Terrance Manning, 20, of nearby Central Avenue. He died shortly after midnight Friday at MetroHealth Medical Center.
Manning was released from prison on Aug. 21 after serving two years on robbery and weapons charges, according to the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. He had also had a 2007 robbery conviction for which he served a year in prison. Read an earlier version of this story
Police spokesman Sgt. Sammy Morris declined to release the name of the shooter for fear of reprisal.
"As far as we can tell, this was just a man going to his apartment," Morris said. "He lives in the apartment with his family."
The incident happened just before 11:30 p.m. Several officers were already in the area, near Cedar Avenue and East 30th Street, on another call. They heard the gunshots and ran toward the sound.
They found Manning wounded.
Witnesses said the robbery victim was walking toward his apartment on Cedar Avenue when he was approached by four men wearing hooded sweatshirts.
Police said one of the men pulled a gun and said, "You [know] what this is, get on the ground."
The robbery victim complied. The robbers took his apartment keys and other items from the victim, then forced him to take them to his apartment.
"As one of the suspects attempted to unlock the apartment door, he switched the gun from one hand to the other," said Morris in a news release. "At this time, the victim grabbed the gun, and a struggle ensued between the victim and two of the suspects."
Two of the suspects ran. They other two and the robbery victim struggled over the gun. The gun fired several times, striking one of the suspects.
Homicide detectives are investigating the incident. No charges had been filed Friday and the other suspects had not been caught. Police did not have a detailed description of the remaining suspects.
The shooting occurred just a few blocks from another homicide. Phillip Gossett, 87, was found dead in his apartment about 11 p.m. Thursday in the Lupica Towers. Police don't believe the incidents are related.
Don’t you just hate it when your day ends like that. Here he had planned an excellent recidivist crime and then everything goes to hell, including him. Bummer!
Three strikes and you’re out.
Sounds like the guy was on a state financed tear.
In Virginia this guy would have been required to serve the full term with no parole. On top of that he'd gotten 5 years for having a gun while commiting a crime.
Second crime, same thing only there'd been no second crime because he'd been in jail ~ and he'd be alive.
A win-win all around for the public, and the criminal.
Too bad they don't punish armed robbers in Ohio.
This is in the area that has been affected by high school closings. It could really get bad if the antagonisms spill over into the schools.
“The Cuyahoga County Coroner’s office identified the dead man as Terrance Manning, 20, of nearby Central Avenue.”
The neighborhood welcome wagon...too bad the others got away.
Lots of this going around.
A TV Station in Memphis just did a story on folks getting out of prison and being tossed into a society with 10% unemployment and a criminal history to boot. That rises in crime rates can be seen along side the fall of the economy.
Jails and prisons cannot afford to house all these inmates so many are being released with little notice to the inmates. And most of the people being released are without education, jobs experience nor will anyone hire them in this economy anyways.
When you have employers who are refusing to hire those who are unemployed, one can only imagine what’s its like if you are unemployed and recently released from prison or jail...
We are heading for some very rough times in this country as more and more folks become more and more desperate. Soon it won’t be just the recently released from jail robbing and stealing, it’ll be those who have exhausted all unemployment benefits stealing just to feed the family.
To quote James Baldwin, “The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.”
Nashville is experiencing the worst rash of burglaries its seen in a lifetime according to one 25 year veteran Police commander.
As the economy continues to slide south the crime rates will continue to rise.
Wow. Excellent video. Thanks for posting that.
You’re not kidding. I drive through there for work sometimes.
Cleveland’s a cesspool.
“At this time, the victim grabbed the gun, and a struggle ensued between the victim and two of the suspects....Two of the suspects ran. They other two and the robbery victim struggled over the gun. The gun fired several times, striking one of the suspects.”
Almost like something out of the movies. I’m guessing the vic figured (and probably not without good reason), these thugs were going to kill him after the robbery. No witnesses, and all that. Glad he came out of this in one piece.
I’ve proposed the idea of “ex-con towns” far out in rural areas, for unemployable ex felons, living a marginal country life, growing some of their own food, at a fraction of the cost of typical welfare. They idea is that they can live there and survive, if not prosper, but away from the rest of the citizenry.
No vehicles or modern machines except for a hand cranked emergency radio. Other than living in trailers and growing their own food, and hand pumping their own water, periodically a Salvation Army truck drops off used clothing and other goods to improve their lives.
The bottom line is that they have a place to live, without having to resort to crime, they are away from hostile citizenry, and they have just a marginal cost to the State.
Terrance? More Amish gone wild!
Well, something will have to be done and I think it will be sooner rather than later, due to the economy.
Once the .gov gold card is no longer recharged weekly and inflation sets in, unemployment starts creeping higher, its all going sideways and crime will skyrocket.
Even if the economy does not crash all it has to do is just stay the same as it is now for another 6 to 12 months and folks will really be hurting.
We have between 35 and 50 million depending on who’s numbers you believe that are either unemployed and underemployed... all are just one step away from indigent and homelessness.
We can’t sustain the current path, let alone worse times.
Something will give way, but I don’t think most in the country will like it...
“Terrance? More Amish gone wild!”
I’m betting it’s pronounced Ter - ahn - say
In Michigan, his three clown friends would be charged with murder.
My concern is these other thugs that ran away know where this guy lives. Hope he’s armed.
Dontcha love a story with a happy ending?
The biggest mitigating factor is time. The longer it takes for the depression to set in, the more efforts can be made to mitigate it.
Government can’t stop it, but a bad government can deepen and prolong it, and a good government can abbreviate it, and lessen the suffering involved. And this doesn’t mean just the federal government, but the State and local governments as well.
Our biggest national resource in this way is food. Even at the height of the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl, America still produced far more food than it could eat. However, people starved because there was no process to get the food to them.
Another great resource that we have right now as a nation is excess housing. With the collapse of many mortgage institutions, this will become public property. So a wise thing to do would be to create no-cost mortgages, that when the homeowner becomes employed and starts to pay on the mortgage, they develop pro-rated equity on the home.
This gives them motivation to get work and start paying on their low cost mortgage, because the faster they pay it off, at fractional value of the home, they will become home owners, free and clear. And it also gives them a strong motivation to keep up and improve their home. Finally, it gives them the attitude that “any job is a good job”, which stimulates the economy from the ground up.
Since there is a strong likelihood of currency fluctuations, trustworthy organizations and local governments can issue ‘scrip’, as a very stable, complementary currency to the dollar. This strongly stabilizes both local markets and local government. It was used several hundred times during the Great Depression, to effect, and there are still a few scrip currencies in use right now.
A modern version could be printed on plain paper, with an encrypted data matrix bar code on the reverse to prevent mischief. Done in an orderly manner, scrip can even do much to stabilize the dollar as well.
Again, this and many other things are mitigating factors to a depression. So the people are not helpless, nor will their likely be chaos and anarchy. And if there is a good federal government, or at least the congressional half of it, the hard choices will be made, and our recovery will be much faster, and to a far more stable and sturdy economy.
Yes...that’s very good...You must have gotten the idea from the French who had something like that during the last century....I think it was called Devil’s Island and even came with its own guillotine.
The Lovely and Talented, Mata-Sherry has often posted here that the 'Felons' should be 'dropped' into an area known as 'SEX-JUMP'.
We could throw all the useless sex-perverts and psychopathic assholes into one place, and just shove an old cow out of a plane every 6 days.
Give them some seeds every Spring or so.
It sounds like Sheriff Joe X 2 .......................... FRegards
P.S.: Must be gittin' close to election time - I'm wakin' up ... G
>>”You [know] what this is, get on the ground.”
I’m sorry...what is it?
We should then give them a 20 day crash course on military squad tactics.
After this training course we should drop them on a remote stretch of Somali beach with enough gear to out fit each man for 30 days of intense fighting.
Then tell them if you can subdue the country it is yours.
We would be rid of some of the worst bad actors in the country and Somalia what ever the out come could not be any worse off.
Sounds like cities using the rural areas for toxic waste dumps to me.
Kindly don't redistribute urban felons to the boonies.
Handle the problem where it is created so we don't have to bury urban trash.
You misunderstand. There is no “we”, rural folk, in this equation. Just ex-cons, living in the middle of nowhere, by themselves.
Somebody compared it to Devil’s Island, but that’s not right, either, as Devil’s Island had a prison on it. This is more like transportation to Australia. But not for criminals. Ex-criminals.
By law, ex-convicts can roam the streets, most anywhere in the US. They are no longer in prison. They have served their time.
However, especially now, with high unemployment, there is no work for them at all. So their alternative is to commit more crime, just to survive.
It would be ridiculously expensive to keep them all in prison for life, so short of mass executions, killing hundreds of thousands of them, we need to do something that will accomplish several things:
1) Not cost a bloody fortune, or inflict criminals on our citizenry.
2) Give ex-criminals who don’t want to commit more crimes, a way to support themselves, that costs us minimally.
3) Get ex-criminals away from us, so there are no longer “wolves in the fold.” No alcohol, no drugs, no vehicles. They stay there in the middle of nowhere, and take care of themselves, for the rest of their lives, getting whatever hand me downs the Salvation Army would give them.
Sounds like a good idea. And with over 2,000,000 prisoners in the US, many of whom *will* be released because we can no longer *afford* to keep them in prison during a depression, we need someplace to put them out of harm’s way.
And soon.
What unpopulated "middle of nowhere" did you have in mind? We may be spread thin in some parts of the country compared to the urban hives, but we're still here.
One down.
Perhaps in the Dakotas. Is 50 miles too close?
Remember that the alternative is that they can legally live wherever they want to, urban or rural, even the home next to yours. They could move in right next to you, and you couldn’t legally keep them out. They are ex-cons, not in prison.
They don’t *have* to live out there in an ex-con town, but do so voluntarily, because it is a better alternative *for them*, then it is to remain in urban areas, unemployed and homeless. And caught in an endless circle of crime and punishment.
And if it *isn’t* a better alternative for them, then they can leave. Move back to the city, or right next to your house. So this is good motivation to keep them reasonably happy out in the middle of nowhere.
I wouldn’t feel too secure living in a rural area right now, because the US has some 2m prisoners, with hundreds of thousands of them likely to be released, because they are too expensive to keep in prison.
And if they can’t make it in the city, which most can’t, a lot will consider moving out to rural America, which they can legally do. So isn’t it better that they live in their own town 50 miles away, then right next door?
Yep. That's two day's walk, easy, in good weather. FOr a group, enough can get through to overwhelm someone, and then they are mobile and armed.
Keep your troubles in the cities that spawned them.
Unemployed people are already coming here, looking for work, of their own initiative and without criminal records.
And if they can’t make it in the city, which most can’t, a lot will consider moving out to rural America, which they can legally do. So isn’t it better that they live in their own town 50 miles away, then right next door?
How about 50 miles from your door. Leave mine the hell out of it. What makes you think they will be able to find jobs in the middle of nowhere, as you put it where there are generally few enough jobs to begin with?
The large economic base is in the cities, if they really, really want work they can find it there. Don't dump your unwanted pets, criminals, or waste on us.
Not my or your choice. When they come, they come. They can live right next door, or 50 miles away, legally. Me, I’d prefer 50 miles away. But they will only go there if they have a reason to go there. Otherwise, living next door to you is a better option for them. Their choice.
I understand that you don’t want them anywhere near you. But there is nothing you can do to keep them away, except off your land. They have just as much right to be there as you do.
Besedes, we aren't generally talking Jean Valjean stealing bread to feed his family here, but people who had already chosen to live a life of crime before the economy tanked.
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