Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Stunning Stupidity: Angry Dad Pulls Taser on School Bully
NBC Miami ^ | Wed, Sep 1, 2010 | BRIAN HAMACHER

Posted on 09/02/2010 10:05:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Father arrested for child abuse for confrontation with 5th grader

An angry dad whose son was having problems with a fifth grader at his Hollywood elementary school decided to take matters into his own hands and pulled a stun gun on the frightened 11-year-old.

The incident happened Tuesday afternoon, as classes at Oakridge Elementary at 1507 North 28th Ave. were being dismissed.

According to police, the father, 66-year-old Jose Enrique Guerrero, confronted the fifth grader as he left the school campus, pushing him against a fence and threatening him with the stun gun while holding it inches from his face.

Guerrero allegedly told the boy, "Do you want some of this?"

When officers found Guerrero near the campus, he was wearing the stun gun on his waistband. He was arrested on a felony charge of child abuse.

The 11-year-old told officers he'd been "having problems" with Guerrero's son, according to police.

Neighbors of Guerrero were shocked to learn of his actions, partly because he is a pastor at a local church. he revealed his occupation to a Broward County judge, who was shocked to hear of the father's act of vengeance. "There's clearly more to this story," the judge said.


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: bullies; bully; bullying; taser
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

1 posted on 09/02/2010 10:05:20 AM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

No one is letting on what was up between the two boys....but it must have been serious


2 posted on 09/02/2010 10:10:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“Reasoning. Calm, cool reasoning.”

Mike Brady


3 posted on 09/02/2010 10:10:58 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

I’ll be the kid wished he was wearing a depends!


4 posted on 09/02/2010 10:12:07 AM PDT by almost done by half
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau

It is not like he actually used it..


5 posted on 09/02/2010 10:13:00 AM PDT by MrShoop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Good for him. I bet the kid backs off now!


6 posted on 09/02/2010 10:13:44 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

That Dad understands that you talk to a bully in terms he understands. Bully’s do not understand polite conversation, that’s a sign of weakness. However, being thrown against a fence and a taser held to your face conveys a message that most bullies are capable of understanding.


7 posted on 09/02/2010 10:14:04 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
The guy is OBVIOUSLY more than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

I don't care how much a bully is bullying your son.

Instead of teaching your son to stand up for himself you teach him to cry to daddy and daddy gets the stun gun?

This guy is a pastor? Turn the other cheek, while you reach for the stun gun?

8 posted on 09/02/2010 10:17:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
That Dad understands that you talk to a bully in terms he understands. Bully’s do not understand polite conversation, that’s a sign of weakness. However, being thrown against a fence and a taser held to your face conveys a message that most bullies are capable of understanding.

Or, the dad IS a bully.

9 posted on 09/02/2010 10:18:41 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Stupid? Which one? The guy who pulled the taser on the kid, or the kid who picked on a kid with a psycho dad? Personally, I’d say both.


10 posted on 09/02/2010 10:20:54 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard

lol


11 posted on 09/02/2010 10:26:42 AM PDT by mowowie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Schools are horrible in dealing with bullying behavior. They let things slide as “kids being kids” when if the behavior going on were to occur in the workplace between adults, someone would go to jail.


12 posted on 09/02/2010 10:30:30 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (TV News is an oxymoron. MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

OK, I’ll don the flame suit.

He should have tased the kid from behind, and then told him in his ear that either he finds a new profession besides ‘bully’, or he better start wearing rubber undies.

He should have been told that’ll he’ll know when and where every time he even contemplates intimidating another kid, and he’ll be there to make him soil his trou.

This, of course, after exhausting the limited and feckless resources of the school staff being notified, and after having been told there is little they can do about it, and after having been told by the police there is nothing they can do about it.
(All personal experience)

The alternative is talking to the other parent, and if you are lucky enough to find that they can exert some influence on the lad, then of course you don’t have to resort to that.

But, however, there are times where you have to place the protection of your family over the considerations of what the reciprocal use of violence on a bully will do to the poor boy in question.

There is no reasoning with tyrants. I would have tased him, gone home, and had a snack. Provided all the other avenues were exhausted, mind you.


13 posted on 09/02/2010 10:31:22 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

Its not that having your kid stand up for himself is hard to do, But nowadays, standing up for yourself can get you kicked out of school. Schools find it easier to get rid of the victims than to deal with the bullies and their parents. Been there and done that.


14 posted on 09/02/2010 10:33:16 AM PDT by Always Independent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Fundamentally Fair
Or, the dad IS a bully.

So, what do you do if your kid is getting beaten, simply because he's smaller than the bully? If you talk to the teacher, the bully will typically take out whatever repremand out against your kid - a beating with a warning not to tell on him again. The cops getting involved has done nothing but to encourage the bully (See what happens if you dare touch me!, I can punch you, but if you hit back ....)

So, what do you do? This was a direct approach, given in a manner that the bully will understand. Bully's understand fear - that's the language they opt to communicate with - usually they are the one's who instill fear in their victims.

If the Dad WAS a bully, the bully would not have been warned or threatened - he would have been beaten. He would have black eyes, maybe a broken arm and cracked ribs - and then given a warning that if he said anything - the next 'visit' would result in his death. This would be followed up with a punch to the mouth, to reinforce the threat. That's the way bullies communicate.

As the case stands now - Dad tried a warning that was 'civil'. The next step will likely result in a life altering maiming or death of the bully. Or, Dad must accept his son's beatings and say nothing. Dear old Dad didn't initiate this, or provoke this - he's doing what he can to stop this from escalating. But, left alone - it will escalate in a way the Bully will not recover from.... it's inevitable.

15 posted on 09/02/2010 10:33:32 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

“I don’t care how much a bully is bullying your son.”

Remove this statement from your post and you have a reasonable point. Keep this statement in and you convey the message that no matter the form, no matter the torment, no matter the brutality, you think a parent should not intervene.

I cannot do that, and did not do that when my son was relentlessly being bullied by two thugs. . .thugs that only stopped when I made it clear to the thugs that they would do nothing but hurt the rest of their life if they continued. Scared them straight. I did what the school refused (or was unable to do), and what the parents could not stop.


16 posted on 09/02/2010 10:34:53 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Keith in Iowa

“They let things slide as “kids being kids” when if the behavior going on were to occur in the workplace between adults, someone would go to jail.”

Getting bullied sucks, but it is a part of growing up. I don’t think that expecting the schools to somehow stop bullying is very realistic. Even if they could, neither your parents or your teachers can protect you 24 hours a day; sooner or later, you’ll have to face a bully with nowhere to run to for help.


17 posted on 09/02/2010 10:36:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Always Independent
Kicked out of school! Horrors! Why, the poor little dear might have to learn something for himself?

In school or out of school, if there was going to be a violent confrontation, the SON needed to be the one doing it, not the adult father.

Helicopter Parents just cannot let their little darlings grow up or do ANYTHING for themselves. Is it any wonder this guys little poofter 11 year old is getting picked on, if THIS is his father, and THIS is how his father deals with troubles in his son's life?

18 posted on 09/02/2010 10:37:00 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

With this 66 year-old nutcase - anything or nothing could have triggered his craziness. There is nothing in the report to corroborate that his *son* was bullied.

The 11 year-old (alleged) bully could have said something about the other kid’s *old, old, old, old man*.


19 posted on 09/02/2010 10:36:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

He should have tased the punk


20 posted on 09/02/2010 10:38:01 AM PDT by Scythian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hulka
Bullying is bullying. Teasing tormenting, etc.

Physical assault is physical assault.

Is there anything to go on to suggest the underage victim of this assault by an adult committed any physical assault on his son? Not even the testimony of the nutbag father, from what I have seen.

If you have a socially or physically weak child, hovering over them like a helicopter gunship is NOT going to do them any favors. In fact it is behavior like this from parents that I see most often being the cause of them having a socially and/or physically weak child.

21 posted on 09/02/2010 10:41:02 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Boogieman

So, hey, just ignore it. . .it will all work out in the end. After all, criminals are criminals and there is no need to call the cops or to protect anyone from criminals. . .ooops. . .I thought you were talking about criminals, not bully’s. . .oh. . .maybe what I wrote applies equally to bullys as well because, after all, they are criminals. Sure, life skills are important but there are lines to be drawn to protect the defenseless.


22 posted on 09/02/2010 10:41:28 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Miami? Dad should get the kid some Brazilian jujitsu classes. Screaming pain usually deters bullies.


23 posted on 09/02/2010 10:42:48 AM PDT by November 2010
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: allmendream; Always Independent

“Is it any wonder this guys little poofter 11 year old is getting picked on, if THIS is his father, and THIS is how his father deals with troubles in his son’s life? “

Sweeping generalizations and insults?

Bully much when growing up? I will bet so.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 10:44:00 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
So, what do you do if your kid is getting beaten, simply because he's smaller than the bully?

How do you know his son was being beaten? How do you know his son is smaller?

25 posted on 09/02/2010 10:46:24 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

“If you have a socially or physically weak child, hovering over them like a helicopter gunship is NOT going to do them any favors”

Throw them to the wolves. Only the strong deserve to live.

Wonderful heartless approach to life, you have. Just peachy.


26 posted on 09/02/2010 10:46:24 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
We took dodge ball out of schools, now bullying is the only way to separate the strong from the weak.
27 posted on 09/02/2010 10:47:27 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hulka
Not in the slightest. My older brother was quite the bully amid the hippie children we grew up among, little “Moonshadow” never had anybody say anything mean or hateful to them their entire little hippie life; and my brother sought to “correct” that.

I actually offered protection to many friends, being over 6 ft tall and 180 lbs at 16. Never let it be known among the Geek community that you are offering bullying asylum! I became like the freaking Godfather to the Geeks!

But really, it is behavior from parents like this that CREATES bullying victims. Your 11 year old son is having a problem with another 11 year old boy? Do you reach for the Tazer, or do you take your son to Karate class?

28 posted on 09/02/2010 10:51:10 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Fundamentally Fair
How do you know his son was being beaten? How do you know his son is smaller?

Don't know the father, don't know the son. But I do teach 12 year olds every Sunday. There are HUGE differences in these kids. Some of the kids have hit puberty and not only have 6-18 inches, and 20-100 lbs on other kids the same age; they may also have the testostone at levels that make them aggressive. I have one kid who is 12 yrs old, weighs 180 and stands just under 6 ft (I'm 6 ft); I have other kids who are 80 lbs drippign wet and less than 5 ft tall.

29 posted on 09/02/2010 10:51:36 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: sodpoodle
...alleged...

Exactly.

30 posted on 09/02/2010 10:53:49 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Hulka
Your precious little protected and coddled darlings will, some day, have to live amongst us “wolves”.

You do them no favors by raising them up to be “poodles”.

Teach them to be Lions.

“There fought William Marshall, like a lion among the hounds!” Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine

31 posted on 09/02/2010 10:55:10 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Totally support the father.

Schools have absolutely no idea how to deal with bullies. they've been working on the problem for a few centuries, and they have squat.

Children -- yes, children -- should live in fear of angry adults. They need to learn proper behavior. Bullying is not proper behavior. So, some adult has to come along and traumatize the punk.

Totally serious. If my kid came home and told me that someone had tazed them, I'd ask "Why?" and if the answer was "I was bullying their kid" -- I'd taze my kid myself.

And then I'd say "Don't do that, m'kay?"

32 posted on 09/02/2010 10:56:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
So based on a few assumptions, you are ready to decide that the dad threatening the kid was a good idea.

OK.

33 posted on 09/02/2010 10:59:23 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
When I was about 8 or so, I got to watch a woman spank the hell out of the bully next door because he threw a brick at her son and she saw it happen. The bully was a couple of years older and certainly bigger than the other kid. The parents of the bully didn't do anything to the mother (that I remember) because they knew their son was a punk and they had failed to address all the previous problems he had caused in the neighborhood. I currently know many parents who would go straight to the source if physical violence was acted out on one of their kids.
34 posted on 09/02/2010 10:59:40 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I believe in man-made political climate change.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

Well I’m not going to side with this guy because if he needed a stun gun to intimidate another 11 yr old then there is something wrong with this guy. I made sure my sons were able to take care of themselves but not to use the skills they learned for the wrong reasons. But having personally had to deal with issues like this, I can understand where a parent may get to the point where they feel they have to step in but I don’t know the whole story with this guy. In my case it wasn’t the bully I had to deal with, the school itself became the bully and thats when I stepped in and protected my son.


35 posted on 09/02/2010 11:02:30 AM PDT by Always Independent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

I totally agree with you.

My son was bothered last year (as was half of the 7th grade) by some brat who thought it was funny to bully the smart kids in the halls. He picked the wrong day to purposely bump my son and my son pushed him onto the floor. The 8th grade bully and my son were both suspended for one day. That little brat never went near my son again. And no, my son was not punished for defending himself. He was rewarded.

Bullies go after the weak. Once you prove you can’t be pushed around, they leave you alone.


36 posted on 09/02/2010 11:02:37 AM PDT by bearkat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: allmendream

We sent our two “nerds” to martial arts class. One of my daughters friends, who had a hand deformity, was being bullied by one of the school jocks.

He stopped after Meg nearly broke his arm and stuffed him in his locker.

The teacher that saw it, said nothing and walked away. I only found out about this a couple years later when the teacher told me.


37 posted on 09/02/2010 11:03:01 AM PDT by mom4melody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Hodar
So, what do you do if your kid is getting beaten, simply because he's smaller than the bully?

I've been watching some Dexter reruns lately. I think I have some ideas. But I sold my boat...

/sarcasm

38 posted on 09/02/2010 11:04:50 AM PDT by DE50AE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: allmendream
“Your 11 year old son is having a problem with another 11 year old boy? Do you reach for the Tazer, or do you take your son to Karate class? “

Teach first. All else fails, intervention. Thugs (bully's) these days are not old type, mean and rude and sometimes physical, they are cruel beyond what you and I ever saw when growing up. They are sadists. They are like rabid dogs and need to be put down quickly and forcefully.

Childhood spats and arguments are par for growing up, bully behavior has never been tolerated and never should be.

"My older brother was quite the bully amid the hippie children we grew up among, little 'Moonshadow' never had anybody say anything mean or hateful to them their entire little hippie life; and my brother sought to “correct” that."

You must be so proud that your bully brother had the maturity, insight, compassion and understanding to understand he needed to be a bully to help other shildren, not for himself mind you, but for them. He was gawd of all the other children and duty called. Come on, that was classic narcissist bully behavior and he needed to be put down for his abuse, and that is what bully behavior is, abuse and a crime. The fact you provided "protection" to others proves you know bully behavior is cruel and wrong and criminal, and what if the bullied child has no such protector as you, friend or parent? What then? Hey, I guess that child is simply out of luck and should be culled from the Lord of the Flies herd.

39 posted on 09/02/2010 11:05:01 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: mom4melody
I'm a teacher, while my school doesn't have very many fights there are some that I would be slow to break up if the right kid was winning.
40 posted on 09/02/2010 11:06:16 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: allmendream
Sigh. . . again with the sweeping baseless generalizations.

Care to try again. . .and yes, poodles need protection from the wolves and sheepdogs are the ones to do it.

Get the distinction?

Probably not.

I guess we depart here, as you see no limit to bully behavior and I do.

Have fun being all wolfish and all.

;-)

41 posted on 09/02/2010 11:10:00 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Hulka
Well I guess all an adult has to do to be excused from committing a violent assault on an 11 year old is to tell you the magic word “Bully”, and then no violence against the kid, up to and including being “put down quickly and forcefully” “like a rabid dog” is unjustified.

Sheesh. Grow up.

42 posted on 09/02/2010 11:10:50 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Go after the bullies father mano y mano.


43 posted on 09/02/2010 11:11:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard

I know a man whose name for real is Michael Brady, and his mom’s name is Carol.


44 posted on 09/02/2010 11:15:51 AM PDT by synbad600
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard

I know a man whose name for real is Michael Brady, and his mom’s name is Carol.


45 posted on 09/02/2010 11:16:04 AM PDT by synbad600
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Hulka

I think there is a time and a place for poodles, sheepdogs AND wolves.

We don’t have enough information on this story to make a determination as to who was who, or who needed to be what.

I’ll tell you this though, there’s only so much messing with my cubs you could do before I turn into one of Palin’s Momma Grizzly’s......


46 posted on 09/02/2010 11:18:38 AM PDT by mom4melody
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: allmendream
“Well I guess all an adult has to do to be excused from committing a violent assault on an 11 year old is to tell you the magic word “Bully””

Again with the sweeping generalizations. Don't you ever get tired from jumping to baseless conclusions, side-stepping arguments and ducking facts? That would be exhausting to all of us, not being “wolves” and all that.

When did I comment directly on the case at hand? My comments were directed at the subject of bully behavior and the limits thereof.

Cheers, Mr Big Bad Wolf.

47 posted on 09/02/2010 11:19:11 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: mom4melody

Agree.


48 posted on 09/02/2010 11:19:48 AM PDT by Hulka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

I read all the responses. I also have 3 kids, including two teenagers.

My observation is that we live in an age of no consequences, and that is why bullies get away with what they do. Kids do and say whatever they want, because there are very little, or no, consequences for actions. This, in my opinion, was partially brought on by the internet, where people can call each other names, insult, degrade and threaten without consequences. We see it every day, even here at FR.

That behavior has spilled over into the real world, especially with kids. For example, I had a 12 year old boy on my baseball team tell me to “f**k off”. Seeing what he writes on FB on a regular basis made me realize he was talking to me like he was speaking to people online.

Many parents are too weak-willed or simply unaware or uninterested to meet bad actions with consequences.


49 posted on 09/02/2010 11:26:17 AM PDT by Ironfocus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hulka
From the guy who diagnosed me as a bully, now complaints about sweeping generalizations and jumping to conclusions?

Do you even see yourself?

So your comments had nothing to do with the actual case under discussion?

Mine did.

Did you ever think that, perhaps, the 60 some year old man was the dreaded cursed reviled ‘deserving to be put down like a rabid dog’ bully for threatening an 11 year old with a stun gun?

Old man needed a weapon to intimidate and bully an 11 year old to protect his poor little 11 year old son?

Get a grip and grow up.

50 posted on 09/02/2010 11:26:37 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson