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Why Did They Kill Off Geography????
RantRave.com ^ | Aug 4, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 09/02/2010 2:37:28 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

I confess--I had never heard the phrase "the Queen of the Sciences" until a few months ago. Even when I read it, it made no sense. They seemed to be talking about geography. What was all this???

Apparently, the wise and scholarly had much more respect for geography a thousand years ago than we do now. Once you start thinking about this decline--from Queen to corpse--you gain new insight into how radical (in the worst sense) our Education Establishment is.

These people never saw a fact they didn't want to drop overboard in a deep part of the ocean.

So I started thinking about WHY? What were all the reasons? I came up with four and wrote the linked article. I think you'll find it interesting. But the bigger picture is that we've got to reverse this whole destructive process. The brain wants information. Kids need facts.

Geography is a litmus test for schools. If a school is teaching a reasonable amount of geography, you know it's a good school. If not, then not. Geography is the point man (if a Queen can be so designated) for all foundational knowledge. That's what we need to start teaching again.

Facts are fun. Knowledge is power. With these two guiding principles, good schools result almost automatically.

Public schools have a hundred gimmicks to hide how ignorant their kids are. Critical thinking! Projects and portfolios! Common Core Standards! Constructivism! Creativity Curriculum! It's a long list. Sound and fury not signifying much. Tell you what. Let's put a bunch of ninth graders in front of a map. I submit we could measure their entire educational progress by just this simple request: Please point to Japan... Spain....Alaska...Panama.

If half the class couldn't do all four, then the principal would be reassigned to teaching first grade. We would see such a frenzy of improvement.

Article title: "Four Reason Why Educators Hate Geography"

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Four-Reasons-Why-Educators-Hate-Geography.aspx

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1 posted on 09/02/2010 2:37:31 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
They tried, but failed:


2 posted on 09/02/2010 2:40:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

If they teach Geography at all, then it must be under Current Events.

What with all the new names for cities and countries they keep coming up with.


3 posted on 09/02/2010 2:41:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Colleges and Universities began closing down their Geography departments sometime after World War II.
I may be wrong but the graduate programs were the first to go. Then slowy the undergraduate programs disappeared.


4 posted on 09/02/2010 2:43:06 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Colleges and Universities began closing down their Geography departments sometime after World War II.
I may be wrong but the graduate programs were the first to go. Then slowy the undergraduate programs disappeared.


5 posted on 09/02/2010 2:43:11 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Geography is redundant in many cases. It is a mish mash of geology, economics, sociology and other fields.

What is unique about geography is cartography/remote sensing and Geographical Information Systems.


6 posted on 09/02/2010 2:44:32 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Hard to say...but it was confirmed when we were told there were “57 states” by our pResident.


7 posted on 09/02/2010 2:45:49 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Paladin2

I have not heard it called the “Queen of Sciences” since I was in college, getting a degree in geology. The article is right.


8 posted on 09/02/2010 2:46:27 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Why Did They Kill Off Geography????

Because most US Americans don't have maps?

-PJ

9 posted on 09/02/2010 2:49:54 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Well, one would then know that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas is on the Mexican border;

…and ILLEGAL ALIENS from the Federal States of Mexico have their own country, society and homes to live.

Further, one would also know where Israel is and surrounded by self-described sworn enemies called Arabs; when combined with history, one would also know that Arabs representing the precepts of Islam are nothing more than murderous societies.


10 posted on 09/02/2010 2:55:46 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Great POST! Greater Question! I remember back in the late 70s-early 80s when my Mom, a 4th grade school teacher, was all upset about the elimination of her geography curriculum for the new “social studies” - beginning of the end. The Lefties took over the Education schools at the universities, and their evil spread downstream to our precious children.

On a personal note, I took an elective geography course my senior of high school in 1965(rather than Trig) - my teacher was Masters-prepared (not an assistant football coach, either). I was completely enthralled and ended up getting a Bachelor’s and Master’s degree in Geography just about the time most all the high schools were eliminating it from their curriculum - lucky me - no teaching jobs! Nevertheless, I use what I learned on a daily basis in my job as a hospital planner.


11 posted on 09/02/2010 2:56:57 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: whitedog57

I disagree with you about the uniqueness of geography as worthy subject matter for study — but as a former cartographer (pen & ink/Leroy lettering set, etc), I am thrilled with GIS and the commercial offshoots that make my work life way more efficient and effective.


12 posted on 09/02/2010 3:02:59 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

A lot of subjects were eliminated. In the “race and sex” equality in outcome scam, subjects where memorization skills were eliminated. That would be geography, for one. Also geography studies favors those with an inate sense of direction. Therefore it is not “equal.”

The mechanics of the English language and writing was eliminated for the same reason.

Civics were eliminated because liberals wanted to “overcome” the constraints of constitutional freedom. It is better for National Socialists (fascists) and Marxists if Americans don’t know what freedoms are being stripped and what power is being abused.


13 posted on 09/02/2010 3:09:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Maine Mariner
I'm glad Western Kentucky University still had a Geography Department when I was there in the 90s. They were the only science courses I ever took that I actually enjoyed.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

14 posted on 09/02/2010 3:10:58 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
I was told in college that mathematics's is the Queen of Science, because she stands along and all sciences use math in one form or another.....maybe because I was told that by a math teacher..
15 posted on 09/02/2010 3:16:09 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

excellent article and your comment here also adds a lot.


16 posted on 09/02/2010 3:24:04 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Sioux-san; BruceDeitrickPrice

IOW the Schools of Education became much worse a few
school generations after the government Student Loans
program was legislated. That’s a key to reversing the
decay; when (I said when, not if) that funding goes.


17 posted on 09/02/2010 3:31:05 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Our son was talking with four girls, all of them smart, from good homes and attending well-respected colleges.

Someone mentioned Alaska. Every single one of those girls believed Alaska was an island off the coast of southern California.

No joke. They were adamant. They laughed at our son who said Alaska was connected to Canada way up north.

The girls laughed again. They couldn't believe he was so dumb about geography. They reminded him of the maps in their history books that showed Hawaii and Alaska in boxes to the bottom left of the 48 states.

They want our kids stupid and compliant.

18 posted on 09/02/2010 3:31:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

This began with the anticipated decline of the British Empire, the rapid independence of former colonies, new nations and the demise of the USSR.

Expedient to describe continents rather than countries.


19 posted on 09/02/2010 3:50:31 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
The Weather Channel did it. (Yeah, Right, prove that one!) OK I will.

Look at the weather map on TV ... the weather on the weather map stops with Canada and Mexico. Ever (if you are in the USA) see a radar pattern for Montreal? Why isn't there weather in Canada or Mexico ... let alone Brazil or Chile? Also, if you get a chance to watch "weather" when you are globe trotting, you'll see a darned fine geography lesson. Here I tout CNN International. They start with the HEMISPHERE, then come down to CONTINENTS then focus in on hot spots. A heck of a geography lesson.

Our kids here are not sure what's on the other side of the border, its never discussed and rarely even named on a map. Our side of the border is always green and blue and colorful, what about those areas beyond the USA? Gray, drab, no features, and obviously no weather, maybe Canada or Mexico aren't even there! In the USA, the Weather Channel is the only geography teacher left. But the rest of the world gets CNN International! It is easy to see why kids in the "other" parts of the world (those places never seen on the Weather Channel) are far better at geography.

See? Weather Channel's fault! Told 'ya so!

20 posted on 09/02/2010 3:50:59 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (If you aren't at Obama's Table, you are probably on the MENU! - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Responsibility2nd

In 7th grade they spend eight weeks on mapreading (too long in my opinion). A lot of coloring etc. I am not sure how much it actually sticks. Geography needs to be relevant to the person for it to stay with them. Also you should go with the 80/20 rule (if should remember most of the important countries, but you can always look up Andorra or Togo).

Remember wars are how Americans learn geography.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 4:04:50 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

RE: “Our son was talking with four girls, all of them smart, from good homes and attending well-respected colleges....”

Totally wonderful addition. I laughed so hard I almost forgot how sad all this is...

Your story reminds me of a generalization I think about a lot: if somebody doesn’t teach you, you don’t know. QED: schools have to teach and teach again. It’s clear in this case that these girls never saw a wall map of the world. Nobody ever pointed to this map, and said, “Note that Alaska is way up here....They call us the Lower 48...”


22 posted on 09/02/2010 4:14:54 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
If you want to know the interface of Geography with History, look at the Balkan Nations and their borders. They reflect the high water mark of the border between the Hapsburg and Ottoman / Christian and Muslim Empires. Serbs remember the evils of Islamic overlords and return the same 500+ years later.

FYI: The last siege of Vienna was in 1683, less than a century before the Declaration of Independence (USofA) and a century after the Battle of Lepanto that save Christian Europe. Quick, can you name WHERE Lepanto and Vienna are?

Do you know that the Muslim Barbary Corsairs infested the English Channel into the late 1600s? Why, because there were rich pickings and easy travel home to North Africa with booty and Christian Slaves for the potentates of Islam!

23 posted on 09/02/2010 4:21:34 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: exhaustguy

RE: A LOT OF COLORING...Who could dream up this stuff?

During first few grades, coloring maps would be fun and productive. We would all enjoy it.

A few hours here, a few hours there, even in fifth and sixth grades, might be good. You could teach geography, history, current events, art.

For 7th graders, it’s clearly not meant to be fun or productive. Eight weeks? No, this is meant to be torture so you’ll always hate geography.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 4:25:38 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

FWIW my kids love playing with Google Earth and just randomly going to different places on it.


25 posted on 09/02/2010 4:33:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It’s clear in this case that these girls never saw a wall map of the world. Nobody ever pointed to this map, and said, “Note that Alaska is way up here....They call us the Lower 48...”

These girls, and all of the "college" students like them, have way, way more problems than lack of a wall map. They are displaying a shocking level of rank stupidity. And their laughter in the face of the truth is even more disturbing.

We're looking at a lost generation. Not because of lack of facts, or even knowledge, but the destruction of the ability to think at all.

26 posted on 09/02/2010 4:40:53 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: whitedog57
"Geography is redundant in many cases. It is a mish mash of geology, economics, sociology and other fields. What is unique about geography is cartography/remote sensing and Geographical Information Systems."

They threw it out because it gave a student a REALISTIC sense of his place in the world, that the world was bigger and less vulnerable than the new breed wanted it to be.

27 posted on 09/02/2010 4:42:14 PM PDT by redhead (Abortion: The number one killer of human beings. Period.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Geography was my favorite subject growing up.

But it wasn't taught in any school I ever attended. I learned it myself, from National Geographic and reading maps. It was one of the few subjects I found stimulating at age six. :)

28 posted on 09/02/2010 4:45:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: exhaustguy
Remember wars are how Americans learn geography.

Yeah, it's when we learn where our family members fought totalitarian murderers and set free millions of people in other countries from concentration camps and death squads. Thanks for pointing that out, it's important to remember that children need a context to see the importance of geography.

29 posted on 09/02/2010 4:46:49 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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30 posted on 09/02/2010 5:07:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Four-Reasons-Why-Educators-Hate-Geography.aspx

They don’t want to empower kids with knowledge and want to collect the most money and doing the least to get it. When kids don’t have knowledge they use arbitrary EMOTIONS to decide or do as they are told.

31 posted on 09/02/2010 5:14:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: whitedog57
Not really. Much can be understood about the country from where they are located. The temperatures, terrain etc. influences how they live and what they can do best with these resources. It's useful to know what their natural resources are. For example, Africa has NO REASON to be poor. Africa is rich in natural resources and much of their land can be farmed. Its primative, despot, tribal leaders that don't know how to make the most of what they have.
32 posted on 09/02/2010 5:19:13 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SunkenCiv
A working knowledge of world and U.S. geography is essential in elementary school as a platform to understand history and government. I loved the subject and taught myself before the curriculum got around to it, though.

That said, I took a college cultural geography course and really didn't get a lot out of it I didn't already know from other disciplines.

33 posted on 09/02/2010 5:21:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I agree with ALL this and make sure our kids KNOW their geography.

THE GLORY OF GEOGRAPHY

Geography is a foundation not just for history but for the study of geology, anthropology, archaeology, world trade, finance, government, environmental science, military history, surveying, early mathematics, and much else. Any school that skimps on geography is a phony.

Francis Parker is a famous educator who died in 1902. I want to close with a quote from his book “How To Teach Geography” (1885). Probably you never heard a teacher rhapsodize about ANYTHING the way Parker can carry on about a topic that many think is dull and dry:

“Geography explains and illuminates history...To know and love the whole world is to become subjectively an integral factor in all human life; the resulting emotion arouses the only true patriotism, the patriotism that makes the world and all its children one’s own land and nation. Geography is one essential means of bringing the individual soul an appreciation of the universal and eternal.”

We need more geography; more precision; more foundational knowledge; and more passion for learning. We need a lot less of the foolishness that undermines these four.


34 posted on 09/02/2010 5:22:25 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Why Did They Kill Off Geography????

So kids wouldn't laugh at Obama's 57 states?
35 posted on 09/02/2010 5:24:28 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: SunkenCiv

When we were in Egypt a bunch of schoolkids were coming down the street. When they saw us they started shouting “Where are you from?” We told them Idaho. They said “How can you not know where you’re from?” Now I know.


36 posted on 09/02/2010 5:30:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Intolerant, Racist, Bitter, Clinging, Islamophobe, Homophobe, ANGRY. Yep, typical white guy)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
lolol. You are EXACTLY correct. Too many classes on self-esteem and interpretive dance. Geography is a great course and should be mandatory at least for every middle school student.

I'm glad you got a laugh at that story. Our family has regular fits every time it's brought up again. It was even funnier than I told it. My son was with his three friends and two of those friends were dating two of the four girls. All four girls were sooo adamant about Alaska's position that for just a second the four boys wondered if they were wrong. Thankfully, they concluded they were right and the girls were wrong.

And STILL the girls didn't back down. They were positive. Alaska is an island off the coast of southern California.

Our son tutored high school students. He has hundreds of these stories. One very rich young man in high school was being tutored in history and when asked who was the first president of the United States, he thought a moment and then answered "Lincoln."

Our patient, despairing son gave him the correct answer and then asked what war Washington fight in?

"The Civil War?" the student responded. Seriously.

What the heck are these schools doing with the billions funneled to "education???"

37 posted on 09/02/2010 5:32:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I learned most of what I know about geography AFTER I got out of school. Maps. Maps, for me, are an art form. The walls of my apartment were COVERED with maps. Topographical maps of all the rivers in Massachusetts that I canoed on. World maps. USA maps. Maps of Europe and Asia. Visitors would always ask me if I was a school teacher. I would gaze at those maps for so long that they could easily be recalled from memory even today. Old maps that my father got from gas stations back in the ‘40’s. Changes in roads, changes in country names in Africa and the Mideast. Maps are AWESOME!
Ask a kid today to name the capital of, say, Kentucky, and they are lost...


38 posted on 09/02/2010 6:00:14 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Paladin2
Great article. I recently read a book on homeschooling/classical education by Leigh Bortins called The Core: Teaching Your Child the Foundations of Classical Education. Bortins devotes an entire chapter to the subject of teaching geography. She suggests having your children start to copy maps with the goal of eventually being able to draw them freehand. I thought this was a great idea and plan to do it with my girls. Bortins argues that knowledge of geography is a good foundation for other subjects (e.g., current events, history) and that having a deep knowledge of geography will encourage a deeper interest in such subjects. And that memorizing facts is good for the mind and education in general.
39 posted on 09/02/2010 6:56:58 PM PDT by elisabeth
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To: elisabeth
Take the kids orienteering sometime.

http://www.us.orienteering.org/

40 posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bigheadfred

There has never been a Miss Ebonics pageant because none of the potential contestants wanted to be Miss Idaho.


41 posted on 09/02/2010 7:02:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: bigheadfred
What did Delaware?

Idaho

Alaska

Ans: her New Jersey

42 posted on 09/02/2010 7:02:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv

Udaho.


43 posted on 09/02/2010 7:03:32 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: colorado tanker

What is so disheartening to me — and it’s nothing new — is how so few people know something as simple to learn as the cardinal points. I have to give directions to my workplace at least a few times every week, over the phone, and besides the usual problems (such as jackoffs who have to be completely in charge, even in a conversation where they purport to seek information), one big one is complete ignorance of what direction they’re headed. And of course, there are those who don’t know how to read, apparently, so they confuse I-196 with I-96; even people who live in Holland or that general direction persist in referring to both as “96”. “I’m coming there from Holland, we’re driving along 96.” That’s quite a feat.


44 posted on 09/02/2010 7:07:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Paladin2

That is another great suggestion! Thank you.


45 posted on 09/02/2010 7:10:35 PM PDT by elisabeth
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Some cannot name all “57” states.


46 posted on 09/02/2010 7:12:36 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Need work. MBA, CPA, Black Belt. Diverse industry and cross border experience.)
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To: Paladin2; SunkenCiv; colorado tanker

All I know is that when I log on to FR, I know I’m headed for the right place.


47 posted on 09/02/2010 7:22:00 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Intolerant, Racist, Bitter, Clinging, Islamophobe, Homophobe, ANGRY. Yep, typical white guy)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I graduated from HS in the mid 1950s in CA. I never had a Geography course until college when it was required for a teaching credential. Of course I dealt with maps, etc. throughout my elementary and HS years, but not an actual geogrphy course.

I was amazed to find out that Geography is so much more than map reading and capitol identification. We had to learn exports, weather patterns, population and the means of production for various countries, etc. It’s a very valuable course when taught correctly. I still have the atlas I had to buy for that course in 1958. Of course, all of the names are wrong. Oh, yes. I did get an A. And I got married instead of getting that teaching credential.


48 posted on 09/02/2010 7:42:55 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Southeast Wisconsin, Zone 4 to 5)
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To: nmh

“Africa has NO REASON to be poor”

Thomas Sowell disagrees.


49 posted on 09/02/2010 7:43:37 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: nmh
For example, Africa has NO REASON to be poor

They've got millions of reasons to be poor. They're called Africans.

50 posted on 09/02/2010 7:45:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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