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I Have A Bone To Pick With Beck
NewsRealBlog ^ | September 12 | Joe Blough

Posted on 09/12/2010 11:24:16 PM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic

I’m a Beck fan. I’m convinced that he is doing America an enormous service. Beyond that, this Beck video clip, linked here at NRB is a must see. Really. Go watch it before you even read this. Excellent stuff.

That said — and I trust you’ve seen the video now … no cheating — during the course of that monologue, speaking of Israel and the Arabs, Beck repeated an error that one frequently hears about matters in the Middle East, and which just frosts my tail.

SNIP

It may be possible that the idea of religious war, of holy war in the sense that we understand it today, may have been introduced to Europe’s conceptual vocabulary by the encounter with the Arabs. That holy war, war specifically for the faith, war for the purpose of spreading an ideology, or its dominance — an idea the 20th century became all too familiar with — may be a uniquely Mohammedan, and Arab, invention, as of 632 AD.


TOPICS: Freeoples; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: holywar; islam; israel; jihad; pimpmyblog
Is the warfare between the Israelis and the local Arabs just an ethnic grudge? I think not.

There is just too much evidence that something else, something bigger, is going on.

1 posted on 09/12/2010 11:24:20 PM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: joeblough_freerepublic
Is the warfare between the Israelis and the local Arabs just an ethnic grudge?

Islam is at war everywhere it exists. If there are non-muslims within reach, they'll war with them. If there aren't any handy, then they will slaughter one another.

The only peace in the middle east is the peace that exists within Israel's borders, and that is under attack each and every day.

2 posted on 09/12/2010 11:44:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

If you “have a bone to pick with Beck”; why don’t you email him and tell him what your gripe is or call his radio show.

If you need a web address or phone number, use google.


3 posted on 09/12/2010 11:46:11 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: joeblough_freerepublic
It can't be an ethnic thing. You take a Yemeni Jew and stand him next to a Yemeni Arab and you will not find one iota of difference.

Granted, the Ashkenazim do stick out, but as far as the Mizrachi Jews, you can't tell them apart from Arabs.

In fact, the Arabs frequently take advantage of this for infiltration purposes.

Biblically, they all come from the same father.

4 posted on 09/12/2010 11:51:36 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

Blog pimpin’...


5 posted on 09/12/2010 11:58:29 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

I suggest you do your own research, and pimp your blog somewhere else.


6 posted on 09/13/2010 12:03:12 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

This blog by Joe Blough goes all over the map with enough trivialities to sink a ship. As try as I could, I never could figure out just what this bone Blough had to pick. He failed in my mind to keep his focus on the bone.


7 posted on 09/13/2010 12:15:07 AM PDT by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: Cindy

He get’s about a gazillion emails every day. He’s a stand up guy, but there’s no reason to think he would notice an email from mw.

In fact, my posting something like this is much more likely to be noticed by his staff.

Like I said, I’m a fan. But I don’t have illusions about how likely he is to notice what I say.


8 posted on 09/13/2010 12:59:47 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: dixiechick2000

Well, I did myown research. And that is what I concluded.


9 posted on 09/13/2010 1:02:32 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: metesky

But do you think I’m wrong?


10 posted on 09/13/2010 1:03:35 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: 240B

Badabing! Have a cigar!


11 posted on 09/13/2010 1:04:26 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: jonrick46

Sorry about that.

Thought I had the focus centered on the reality of jihad vs the mistaken notion of local middle-eastern ethinc squabbling.

There’s a good deal of historical material to support my position.

Sorry I didn’t afford you a better read.


12 posted on 09/13/2010 1:15:00 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

Seems to me I read this at David Horowitz’s one week ago. I see that you’re the same author, so welcome to Free Republic! It can be rather tough when you post your own columns, even when the columns are meritorious.


13 posted on 09/13/2010 1:45:15 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Thanks very much for the kind words. Thank you even more for reading, not to mention remembering,

I’m actually not sure why the editors decided to repost the piece, I have to assume that they think that there is interest out there in the subject. They’re pretty bright characters by and large.

It was on that basis that I decided that maybe I ought to stick it out here on FR.

But enough about boring me. Beck is a fascinating guy.

My hope is that somebody on his staff will look into the history on this matter and clue him in to the real deal.

I will vanish in the flood of history. But Beck will get a footnote somewhere. I simply want to help him get it right.

Abd even more than that I want US, the American people, to get it right.

The course of world history depends to a shocking extent on the common understanding of the common American. Thank god we have a secure basis in logic and reason.

Best,
JBB


14 posted on 09/13/2010 2:02:58 AM PDT by joeblough_freerepublic
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To: joeblough_freerepublic
My pleasure. I learned from your column, so it was easy to remember! I hope you won't be shy about posting your columns whenever you desire, now that I know you're a FReeper, I might post one of yours from time to time, since I frequent the site because I like the columns.

You've made a fast friend in me: you make the same typo I make: "Abd" for "and"...LOL.

Glenn Beck is a busy man, but he shuld strive for accuracy and his staff should take an keen interest in your email. He has has new site now, THE BLAZE and perhaps his managing editor might be another useful contact. IIRC correctly, his name is Scott Baker.

Good luck and best wishes with your writing!

15 posted on 09/13/2010 2:18:14 AM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

I think Beck just like O’Reilly are doing more of a service to their wallets that anything else, they’ve become to much in love with themselves.With so many important things going on in the world that they could report on, they spend way to much time patting each other on the back


16 posted on 09/13/2010 2:29:11 AM PDT by oldindependent
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To: jonrick46
I agree that Joe tiptoed through the tulips and failed to make his take-home lesson clear. Then again, most people fear coming to the inevitable conclusion that Islam, on its face, is evil. It is not, and never has been, a "religion of peace" (my skin would crawl every time Bush said that). It is, quite literally, a violent creed of submission. In my opinion it should not be classified as a religion.

Classifying Islam as a religion is the equivalent of affording the same courtesy to Hitler's concept of Ayrian Supremecy. Affording reverential respect toward the Qur'an is the equivalent of doing the same toward Mein Kampf.

The violent nature of Islam is proof that it is not a religion, but only a terribly fallable ideology. If its concepts contained elementary truth, it would not be necessary to spread the ideology by the sword in the beginning or today or tomorrow.

17 posted on 09/13/2010 3:16:49 AM PDT by skookum55 (Born American with the guarantee of a republic; destined to die a dhimmi on Obama's path to sharia.)
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To: 240B
"Biblically, they all come from the same father."

Yeah, Satan.

18 posted on 09/13/2010 4:07:59 AM PDT by scottiemom ("As a Texas public school teacher, I would highly recommend private school")
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To: scottiemom

Are you saying that the Judeo part of our Judeo-Christian values is evil? That our allies, the Jews, are Satan’s children and no different from the members of the “religion of peace?”


19 posted on 09/13/2010 4:53:44 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: scottiemom

As a Christian, you should know better than to say that Satan is the father of the Jews.


20 posted on 09/13/2010 5:01:59 AM PDT by beefree
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To: scottiemom

WoW That came out of nowhere.

Care to explain before you get the zot. Any last words?


21 posted on 09/13/2010 5:45:57 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic; humblegunner
You repost other people's garbage on Free Republic?


22 posted on 09/13/2010 5:54:43 AM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: 240B

>>Biblically, they all come from the same father.<<

All from the same father? Are you not familiar with the split between Esau and Jacob?

Perhaps this from the Bible will help you get started.

“Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”—Romans 9:13


23 posted on 09/13/2010 8:50:13 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: skookum55

Islam is a political system. I’d rather read what you had to say than Joe’s unfocused blog that fails to nail it down like you did.


24 posted on 09/13/2010 11:32:14 AM PDT by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: CynicalBear
The Arabs are generally believed to be decedents of Ishmael the son of Hagar who was the handmaiden of Abraham the father. The was before Sarah could conceive.

“Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Arab people,”

When Sarah conceived Yisack(Issac) then he became the father of the Jewish people.

As far as Jacov and Esau, Esau(the red) split from the Jewish people and became the father of the northern people. That is, northern Europe.

But this, of course, is all just theological conjecture and can be interpreted multiple ways. But, both in Islam and in Judaism is is accepted that both Jews and Arabs came from Abraham but originated by different mothers.

It is funny that even the ‘Satan’ woman came from the same father according to traditional religious theology. So, I guess her father is ‘Satan’ too. LoL

25 posted on 09/13/2010 3:50:55 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: dixiechick2000
Yours, madam, is an eminently sensible suggestion.
26 posted on 09/13/2010 3:53:28 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: 240B

Jewish texts refer to Esau/Edom as Rome and its inheritor, Western Civilization. Ishmael is referenced as Islam. It’s a question of culture and spiritual inclinations rather than DNA.


27 posted on 09/13/2010 4:00:11 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: beefree

Probably a reference to John 8:44 “Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.” Popular with Christian Identity-types.


28 posted on 09/13/2010 4:05:45 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Yes, exactly.


29 posted on 09/13/2010 4:09:11 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: joeblough_freerepublic

The roots of the Israeli/Jewish and Arab/Muslim go way back to Abraham-Sarha and Abraham-Hagar. Mohammed of Hagar really started the fuss with the acts/teachings of the Koran. He couldn’t deal with Jesus otherwise.


30 posted on 09/13/2010 4:09:30 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: joeblough_freerepublic
To be fighting over something for 1500 years is quite a long time as well, especially by American standards (about three times as long as it's been since Columbus arrived here).

I suspect the truth is somewhere between your view and the one you criticize. When something new comes in to the world it usually builds on what was already there.

31 posted on 09/13/2010 4:10:57 PM PDT by x
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To: 240B

I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I know that the Arab people are through Ishmael who with his mother Hagar was banished to the desert. I obviously need to think before I type. Thanks for pointing out my error.

My point was to show that there was a separation of ancestry after Abraham with the Arab and Jewish people. The blessing followed through Isaac and Jacob to the Jews and not through Ishmael. I obviously didn’t do it well.


32 posted on 09/13/2010 4:11:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: jjotto

Good catch...but I’m pretty sure that was not her intent.

That was a clear insult. There was no thought behind it. IMO


33 posted on 09/13/2010 4:11:08 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

hehe

I know I have a hard time squelching what I think is a one-liner chuckle at the expense of exactitude, and I assume others have the same problem!


34 posted on 09/13/2010 4:22:57 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: CynicalBear
In Judaism the fathers(avot) are Avraham, Yitsack, and Jaacov.

Avraham - the modified name of Avram son of Terach
Yitsack - meaning ‘will laugh’ after Sarah laughed at the thought of giving birth to Issac
Jaacov - meaning to ‘cleave’ as Esau was born first and Jacob held on to his foot and was born with/after him.
Esau - ruddy or red he was said to have been covered with red hair
Sarah - the modified name of Sari
Israel - the name given to Jaacov after wrestling with the angle while waiting the return of Esau

Biblically, whenever some significant interaction with G-D occurred, HE would change your name. Consider it like a promotion.

35 posted on 09/13/2010 4:23:13 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: jjotto

Except that Jews trace their ancestry through the mother. So, while it’s not DNA, it’s family line.


36 posted on 09/13/2010 4:23:35 PM PDT by Eva
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To: TheOldLady

Sorry, it was a case of not reading the entire post. I am sorry for my error. I did not realize that the statement was about Jews as well.


37 posted on 09/13/2010 4:33:57 PM PDT by scottiemom ("As a Texas public school teacher, I would highly recommend private school")
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To: TheOldLady

Sorry, it was a case of not reading the entire post. I am sorry for my error. I did not realize that the statement was about Jews as well.


38 posted on 09/13/2010 4:34:01 PM PDT by scottiemom ("As a Texas public school teacher, I would highly recommend private school")
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To: scottiemom
Oh, that's a relief. You had me going there for a while. I know how you feel, exactly how you feel, as I have planted my size 8 hiking boot in my own mouth for the same reason on more than one occasion. ;-)
39 posted on 09/13/2010 4:39:36 PM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Thank you!

I appreciate your conclusion and support.


40 posted on 09/13/2010 11:45:09 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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