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Pete Rose makes tearful apology (It's about time)
The Boston Globe ^ | 09/14/2010 | Matt Pepin

Posted on 09/14/2010 8:30:14 AM PDT by Beave Meister

On Saturday, the Cincinnati Reds celebrated the 25th anniversary of Pete Rose's 4,192d hit, which broke Ty Cobb's career hits record.

Later that night, at a roast of Rose at a casino in Indiana, Rose broke down and cried as he made a heartfelt apology for his involvement in betting on baseball.

"I disrespected the game of baseball," Rose said. "When you do that, you disrespect your teammates, the game and your family."

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Sports
KEYWORDS: americanpasttime; baseball; charliehustle; cincinnati; corruption; fail; mlb; moralabsolutes; peterose; reds; worldseries
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From the time he broke into the majors in 1963 until he retired in 1986, Rose amassed 4,256 hits (1st all- time), 746 doubles (2nd all-time) and 2,165 runs (fifth all-time). He played for three World Series Champions, and was named the MVP of the 1975 Series. Those are un-godly numbers. They are the numbers of a Hall of Famer.

Unfortunately, he also ignored Major League Baseball's Rule 21 (d)

Rule 21 (d) is posted on the clubhouse door in every major league stadium, and has been for years. Rose probably walked by those signs 5,000 times during his career.

Rule 21 (d), which states: d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.

It doesn't say... unless you've got 4000 hits or 700 home runs or won 300 games or have 3000 strike outs. It says ANY PLAYER....He chose to ignore the signs, he chose to bet on baseball, and he's being punished in accordance with the rule. He also chose to lie about his actions for 14 years, and even after acknowledging them, still doesn't seem to understand that his mistake wasn't failing to apologize sooner. It's that he bet on baseball in the first place.

1 posted on 09/14/2010 8:30:19 AM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

Screw him and all the jerks who used HGH and steroids. This is includes Tiger Woods too.


2 posted on 09/14/2010 8:32:08 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Beave Meister

Uh Pete, a “Roast” is supposed to be funny. Thanks for ruining that too.


3 posted on 09/14/2010 8:32:55 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Frantzie

“Screw him and all the jerks who used HGH and steroids. This is includes Tiger Woods too.”

Amen, brother.


4 posted on 09/14/2010 8:34:14 AM PDT by jessduntno (The Victory Mosque will be built over our dead bodies over our dead bodies ...)
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To: Beave Meister

Pete was a great baseball player but otherwise a stain on the game after he retired. He ruined his own legacy which was tragic given the hard nosed way in which he played the game and the level of excellence he maintained for years. His actions in betting on the game AND the lies he spewed for years make him a sad and pathetic loser.


5 posted on 09/14/2010 8:34:51 AM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Beave Meister
Later that night, at a roast of Rose at a casino in Indiana, Rose broke down and cried as he made a heartfelt apology for his involvement in betting on baseball.

Holy venues, Batman, can't you just taste the irony?

6 posted on 09/14/2010 8:36:25 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: Beave Meister

Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame... with his induction the year after he dies. He should never live to see himself put in the hall. That is what a “lifetime ban” should mean, and in my opinion how it should be handled.


7 posted on 09/14/2010 8:43:38 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Beave Meister

Put him in the Hall of Fame with an asterisk next to his name. His stats alone deserve recognition.


8 posted on 09/14/2010 8:45:23 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: jessduntno

You look at guys like Ted Williams, Mantle, Maris and others who did not cheat. Micky had drinking issues but by and large they were good guys. Ted was a WW2 and Korean War fighter pilot who would have beaten Ruth’s home run record if he had not served.

These guys are heroes. There were no juiced balls, bats or players.

Rose has always been a shady guy.


9 posted on 09/14/2010 8:49:25 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie

Wasn’t his nickname ‘Mister Hustle’? ... He was hustling the sport, and I don’t mean hurrying.


10 posted on 09/14/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Noids, believing they cannot be deceived; nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

There’s going to be more people with asterisks in the HOF than clean entries.


11 posted on 09/14/2010 8:54:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Frantzie

Rose was a hell of a baseball player who worked his ass off, hustled and gave it his all. After retiring and becoming a Manager he bet on the game, got caught and rather than man up, he lied. That is the biggest affront of all. Admit that he had a problem, apologize for his failings and maybe people could have had some forgiveness. The charade that he played out for years made him nothing more than a loser.


12 posted on 09/14/2010 8:57:18 AM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Beave Meister

It’s only baseball folks, get over it ...


13 posted on 09/14/2010 8:57:26 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: MHGinTN

To paraphrase that lil’ Oriental girl
“Boo freakin’ hoo”.
Apologize for gambling while at a casino?
Typical Rose for ya.


14 posted on 09/14/2010 8:57:49 AM PDT by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: DManA

True. But most of then wouldn’t have the stats to be in the Hall without what caused the asterisk. Pete Rose played hard and earned the stats regardless of his gambling.


15 posted on 09/14/2010 8:58:04 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“...regardless of his gambling.”

I’d agree with you but for the fact that he LIED about his betting on baseball for two decades!

His time to come clean was 25 years ago.


16 posted on 09/14/2010 9:00:47 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: Beave Meister

Note to all sports figures current and not current.

STOP CRYING IN PUBLIC. Do your crying in private. You look like a bunch of silly twits.


17 posted on 09/14/2010 9:01:35 AM PDT by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Lying about gambling doesn’t change his stats. He earned them. They deserve to be recognized.


18 posted on 09/14/2010 9:02:21 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Beave Meister

I was at that game Saturday night - it was pretty good stuff to see.


19 posted on 09/14/2010 9:03:22 AM PDT by day10 (Integrity has no need of rules.)
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To: Beave Meister

Cry me a river. He had it all. He threw it away.


20 posted on 09/14/2010 9:05:16 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: BuckeyeTexan
“I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski.”

He should NOT have been impeached! His stats were SOOO very good. He should be in the Hall of Fame - right?

Wrong.

Pete Rose is really a criminal - I am against rewarding him after he was banned for life from baseball.

Screw him - MAKE HIM AN EXAMPLE!

21 posted on 09/14/2010 9:06:24 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And (I think) there’s no evidence he ever through a game. Didn’t he only bet ON his team?


22 posted on 09/14/2010 9:07:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

through = threw.


23 posted on 09/14/2010 9:07:54 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

He bet on the Reds every night - to win.


24 posted on 09/14/2010 9:09:11 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Clinton lied under oath as a sitting POTUS. Pete Rose was a baseball player. Apples, oranges.


25 posted on 09/14/2010 9:13:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

He was gambling while still a player, breaking a rule that’s posted in every dugout, probably within his sight while he was calling his bookie during games. Screw his stats, he broke the one rule that has a lifetime ban, and broke it every single day for at least 2 years. Pet Rose doesn’t deserve to get to visit the Hall as a tourist, much less get enshrined.


26 posted on 09/14/2010 9:14:49 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

It’s not called the National Baseball Hall of Infamy. It’s called the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


27 posted on 09/14/2010 9:15:11 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That’s what he says now, after first lying about whether he was betting on baseball, then lying about whether he was betting on games involving his own team. You really going to believe he never bet against his own team knowing he’s already lied about it twice? Once is an accident, twice is a mistake, 3 times is just dumb.


28 posted on 09/14/2010 9:16:24 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: Beave Meister

He was a piker compared to the ones today. The only reason to hate him today is the creepy cultists ala George Will.


29 posted on 09/14/2010 9:16:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I do recognize them. I explain them to my sons and daughter like this. “These are the stats of a man who broke the rule against gambling on baseball. And he doesn’t deserve to be in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.”


30 posted on 09/14/2010 9:17:49 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: righttackle44

That’s why he should never live to see himself enshrined. Even Benedict Arnold’s foot has a statue in New York.


31 posted on 09/14/2010 9:19:19 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: BuckeyeTexan
So it's OK to lie for decades about your (Pete Roses) gambling. Let him in the Hall of Fame, you say. He's a good guy with good stats!

I say BS to you, sir. Your arguments are based in liberalism.

I will not respond to you any longer. It will be impossible to have you see the light on this issue.

Have a good day.

32 posted on 09/14/2010 9:21:02 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm really not Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: DManA

Even if you only bet on your team you can affect the game. Do you bench your best reliever today because you have $10,000 on tomorrow’s game and you’ll need him fresh then?


33 posted on 09/14/2010 9:24:44 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: Leo Farnsworth

I didn’t say Pete Rose was a good guy or that it was okay to lie for decades. I said his stats, alone, deserve recognition in the Hall.

Get over yourself.


34 posted on 09/14/2010 9:25:58 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Sorry, you’re wrong.

Rosed gambled as a MANAGER and NOT a player.

His hit record was achieved clean without steroids, PED’s, etc

Hi was clean as a player and did NOT gamble while an active player.

Rose is far more deserving of HOF than Bonds, Clemens, etc


35 posted on 09/14/2010 9:26:43 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep

bttt


36 posted on 09/14/2010 9:27:34 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: KarlInOhio

Yea but how can a catcher do that?


37 posted on 09/14/2010 9:30:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: newfreep

The gambling investigation covered 1985 and 1986, he was player-manager in those years, and betting daily. He broke baseball’s gambling rule the day he broke Ty Cobb’s record.


38 posted on 09/14/2010 9:30:16 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: newfreep

I never said he bet on them as a player. And I already made the argument that his stats were earned cleanly. What are you talking about? I’m a Buckeye and a Pete rose fan. He should be in the Hall, period.


39 posted on 09/14/2010 9:30:42 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Opps. Forgot he was a manager too.


40 posted on 09/14/2010 9:30:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Lying about gambling doesn’t change his stats. He earned them. They deserve to be recognized.

this is why honor is a dying virtue in modern-day society... as my husband and i raise our boys, this is the tide we swim against...

41 posted on 09/14/2010 9:47:04 AM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: NonValueAdded
“...at a casino in Indiana...”

As I recall, MLB commissioner Bowie Kuhn suspended Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle for promoting gambling casinos ... and Denny McLain for illegal bookmaking ... and George Steinbrenner for making illegal campaign contributions.

I'm pretty sure today's moral ambiguity and astronomical cash flows have not improved the quality of baseball. I, for one, yearn for those simpler times. Pete Rose can take another decade or so to think about his sins for all I care. Maybe then, he'll find a more appropriate venue to express his heartfelt contrition.

42 posted on 09/14/2010 9:48:45 AM PDT by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Pete should be in the HOF based on what he accomplished as a player on the field, not what he did as a manager.


43 posted on 09/14/2010 10:06:22 AM PDT by sjm_888
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To: Beave Meister

“...at a casino...”

Appropriate enough. He interrupted his poker game long enough to apologize for gambling.


44 posted on 09/14/2010 10:12:19 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Beave Meister

Pete was/is his own worst enemy. Many of us here in Cincinnati defended him based upon our belief in his statements and protestations. His time to confess was 1989. He blew it. His sincerity is forever suspect.


45 posted on 09/14/2010 10:14:57 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Conservatives want a CHOICE not an echo - No more RINOs!)
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To: latina4dubya

I teach my kids that hard work should be rewarded, apologies should be accepted, punishment should be appropriate, and mercy should be granted.


46 posted on 09/14/2010 11:16:39 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"Lying about gambling doesn’t change his stats. He earned them. They deserve to be recognized."

They are recognized in the hall. I believe that his bat that broke the record is in the hall. I'm sure other articles of his are in there referring to his accomplishments. What is a little ironic is that the player who formerly held the record (Ty Cobb) was a despicable psycho of a man. There is strong evidence that he committed murder. Yet, he's in the hall. Why? Because he didn't break the one rule that keeps you out of the hall, gambling.

If they want to make an exception for Pete Rose, then they need to make an exception for Joe Jackson and Eddie Cicotte. Jackson would have certainly been in the hall and Cicotte would have most likely made it if given a chance to continue playing. He was already a fringe HOF'er when he was banned.
47 posted on 09/14/2010 11:17:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: BuckeyeTexan

It has been quite a while since I have visited the Hall of Fame but when I did they had a display showing the top leaders in significant career statistics. Unless they have removed this display Pete Rose would of course be at the top of career hits and thus is in the Hall of Fame. Oh you want a plaque and formal induction ceremony for him too? Shoeless Joe Jackson is in line in front of him for that and still waiting.


48 posted on 09/14/2010 11:32:45 AM PDT by xp38
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I teach my kids that hard work should be rewarded, apologies should be accepted, punishment should be appropriate, and mercy should be granted.

we do that too... and then we go deeper... set our minds on things above...

49 posted on 09/14/2010 12:00:16 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Beave Meister

The man’s been punished enough.

I say we let him play.


50 posted on 09/14/2010 12:05:53 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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