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The Women of Middle-Earth, by Christine O'Donnell
Free Republic ^ | 12/18/203 | Christine O'Donnell

Posted on 09/15/2010 3:24:20 PM PDT by warpsmith

In the midst of piles of Lord of the Rings merchandise on every shelf, Tolkien’s wisdom is applied to just about everything — Tolkien and industrialization, Tolkien and communism, Tolkien and religion, etc. What’s surprising, especially in today’s hypersensitive post-Gloria Steinem world, is the dearth of commentary on Tolkien and women.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: delaware; hobbit; lotr; odonnell; thehobbit
A re-post of an FR chat thread from seven years ago. Wow!
1 posted on 09/15/2010 3:24:25 PM PDT by warpsmith
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To: warpsmith

Same woman? Wow indeed. Incredible, great find.


2 posted on 09/15/2010 3:27:02 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: warpsmith

Is this the same Christine O’Donnell that won the Republican primary in Delaware last night?


3 posted on 09/15/2010 3:27:35 PM PDT by nutmeg (September 13, 2010 - My 10-year FReeper anniversary. WOO HOO!!!)
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To: warpsmith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorfindel

She spells “Glorfindel” as “Glorfindal”.

How did the republican muck diggers miss that?


4 posted on 09/15/2010 3:29:11 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: warpsmith

Interesting she was on FReepers radar (in a good way) way back then.


5 posted on 09/15/2010 3:30:08 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Snickering Hound

Maybe that’s why Rove hates her. Being a Dwarf, his people never did like elves much, so I suppose also not liking those who write about elves.


6 posted on 09/15/2010 3:32:06 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: warpsmith

“Which just goes to show, you really CAN do anything with a Harvard degree.” (#17)

Uhm...


7 posted on 09/15/2010 3:33:01 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Snickering Hound
The lady writes with a thoughtful mind... Interesting analysis from a Tolkien fan... She may not be a second Palin.... Probably more like a female Steyn... Read her writing style...


8 posted on 09/15/2010 3:34:07 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: warpsmith

Of course, the reason that Tolkein wrote so little about women in the story, is because the story was concieved during the overshadowing experience of Tolkein’s (and C.S. Lewis’) life, the first world war.

There weren’t a lot of women in the trenches or on the battlefields.

If you examine the campaigns in LOTR, they line up in scope and movements similar to the real life war Tolkein fought through.


9 posted on 09/15/2010 3:35:02 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: BigEdLB

Did you hear her asking Hillary Clinton for her support. She gave really high kudos to Clinton last night


10 posted on 09/15/2010 3:36:01 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: GoCards
Found a link to the Book TV listing. Shame there's no video, that'd be interesting to dig up.

Women of Middle-Earth: A Discussion of J.R.R. Tolkien's Depiction of Women

11 posted on 09/15/2010 3:43:26 PM PDT by warpsmith (Nauthannem i ned ol renainnen.)
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To: warpsmith
Arwen Evenstar
Eowyn of Rohan
Gladriel of Lothlorien

She missed two!

Rose Cotton
and
Eoreth herbswoman.

Eoreth was my favorite! “’The hands of the King are the hands of a healer’ I said, and that was how it was all figured out, and Gandalf, he said “long will men remember your words Eoreth””.

Rose Cotton wasn't bad either, loved her “Well you sure took your time getting back!” to Sam and her ironic “Don't lose him (Frodo) now that things are starting to get dangerous!” Sam didn't know what to say to THAT one! After Mordor and RingWraiths, some ruffians in the Shire were rather small change!

12 posted on 09/15/2010 3:47:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: warpsmith
I always thought that the reason
Tolkien’s portrayal of women was one dimensional,
was that he really wasn't any good at writing about women,
except as a symbol.

All writers have limitations
I assumed that this was one of his
I've read those book >15 times, always loved them

I thought Jackson actually did a good job of
“fleshing out” the female characters in this epic tale
and where he deviated from the story line,
he generally did well

I missed Goldberry and Tom Bombadil however

13 posted on 09/15/2010 3:50:49 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HairOfTheDog

ping


14 posted on 09/15/2010 3:55:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: allmendream

I really don’t see Tolkein as minimizing the role of women in his book. Arwen + Aragorn, the idea that an immortal woman would give herself so fully to a man that she would cede her immortality to marry him.

Eowyn, and her desire to fight on the battlefield, that she would not be left to defend the home, to the point where she KILLS the Witchking of Angmar, the most powerful of the Ringwraiths.

Galadriel, the most powerful of all the Elven Queens, who passes up on the ring when Frodo offers it to her freely.

The women all play pivotal roles in his book.

That’s pretty good for 1945.


15 posted on 09/15/2010 3:56:07 PM PDT by BenKenobi (“this country will be less conservative with Castle voting 55% with the GOP")
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To: warpsmith

An oldie but goodie.


16 posted on 09/15/2010 3:59:31 PM PDT by norton
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To: BenKenobi
Pretty good for any time. He wrote women that were characters not caricatures.

Gladriel is one of the best characters. She redeemed herself by not taking the ring. She was of the Noldor elves that betrayed the Valar and were cast out in exile into Middle Earth, moreover she was one of those abandoned by Faenor to make their way over the crushing ice.

Her song, asking “what ship will bear me now” is the lament of a fallen Angel, mourning for the Heaven she had renounced. She was borne back across that wider sea!

I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew:
Of wind I sang, a wind there came and in the branches blew.
Beyond the Sun, beyond the Moon, the foam was on the Sea,
And by the strand of Ilmarin there grew a golden Tree.
Beneath the stars of Ever-eve in Eldamar it shone,
In Eldamar beside the walls of Elven Tirion.
There long the golden leaves have grown upon the branching years,
While here beyond the Sundering Seas now fall the Elven-tears.
O Lórien! The Winter comes, the bare and leafless Day;
The leaves are falling in the stream, the River flows away.
O Lórien! Too long I have dwelt upon this Hither Shore
And in a fading crown have twined the golden elanor.
But if of ships I now should sing, what ship would come to me,
What ship would bear me ever back across so wide a Sea?

17 posted on 09/15/2010 4:02:01 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: nutmeg; narses; neverdem; MHGinTN

Fromn that article’s (seven-year-old!) description of O’Donnell in FreeRepublic.com:

“© Copyright 2003 Catholic Exchange

Christine O’Donnell serves as Director of Communications for the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. She has been described as sassy, stubborn and sweet, and by those who disagree with her as “the girl you hate to love.” This young woman who National Review Magazine says “blends the flare of the Bible with Cosmopolitan,” shatters the stereotype about her generation. Her frequent television appearances include ABC’s Politically Incorrect, MTV, CNN, C-SPAN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC and CNBC.”


18 posted on 09/15/2010 6:08:55 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Once again FR has the goods!

Groundbreaking news that O'Donnell has made inroads into the geek community, a much larger % of the population than the Greek community!

19 posted on 09/15/2010 6:19:14 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: warpsmith

Eowyn is gorgeous and likable whether middle-earth or not.


20 posted on 09/15/2010 6:40:18 PM PDT by jla
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh

ping!


21 posted on 09/15/2010 10:41:56 PM PDT by nutmeg (September 13, 2010 - My 10-year FReeper anniversary. WOO HOO!!!)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Ping-a-ling!
22 posted on 09/16/2010 1:15:50 AM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD --- ["All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."])
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To: Rose in RoseBear; Bear_in_RoseBear

Miss you guys in the Hobbit Hole, although it is still slow, awaiting the expected green light for the movies of ‘The Hobbit’.


23 posted on 09/16/2010 1:27:30 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I remember her on Politically Incorrect. Maher had her on because he thought she was hot even though he completely disagreed with her. Expect some loathsome attacks on her soon.


24 posted on 09/16/2010 1:48:42 AM PDT by xp38
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To: mnehring
re: Maybe that’s why Rove hates her. Being a Dwarf, his people never did like elves much, so I suppose also not liking those who write about elves.)))

You insult the good people of Gloin. Rove is no dwarf.

He's an ORC.

25 posted on 09/16/2010 6:55:22 AM PDT by Mamzelle (donate to O'Donnell--even a dollar is plenty! She has paypal!)
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To: warpsmith

O’Donnell, with her mega-watt smile and Celtic dimples, makes me think of Rosie Cotton.


26 posted on 09/16/2010 7:01:10 AM PDT by Mamzelle (donate to O'Donnell--even a dollar is plenty! She has paypal!)
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To: BenKenobi
I recall the words of Liv Tyler, who, when catching wind of the fan uproar over having Arwen at the battle of HelmsDeep, told Peter Jackson “You don't need to put a sword in Arwen’s hands to make her strong!”.

You will notice the leftover elves at the battle, but they cut her out of the scene.

And she was definitely one of the strongest characters, who willingly, and for love; forsook her immortality and parted with her entire family, a parting that would endure past the ending of the world.

27 posted on 09/16/2010 9:06:22 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
Interesting read! I don't remember if I read it at the time it was posted, but I may have.
28 posted on 09/16/2010 9:14:26 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace, peace," but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I deliberately don't post anything of much substance any more, for various reasons. When a storm is coming, it's wise to take cover.
29 posted on 09/16/2010 9:19:28 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace, peace," but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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