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Vatican Shocked at Britain's Hostile Reaction to Pope
Newsmax ^ | September 16, 2010 | John Laughland

Posted on 09/16/2010 5:48:26 AM PDT by re_tail20

The hostility that many British are voicing toward Pope Benedict XVI has shocked church officials in Rome as they prepare for the first formal state visit to Great Britain by a reigning pontiff.

The four-day papal visit, which begins Thursday, has prompted negative reactions by far exceeding anything the Pope has encountered when traveling even to non-Christian countries such as Turkey or Israel.

The protests have ranged from the mean-spirited and the tasteless to the vehemently ideological. Some even called for the Pope's arrest upon his arrival in Edinburgh, Scotland, where Queen Elizabeth II is to greet him.

At the bottom of the scale, the cost of the visit — an estimated 10 million pounds (about 15.4 million U.S. dollars) to British taxpayers — has generated repeated complaints, although such protests are never heard when other heads of state come to Britain.

More seriously, a controversy arose in April after the leak of a joke memo that a junior Foreign Office official had written suggesting that the Pope should bless a gay marriage and open an abortion clinic as part of his official program.

The government offered an apology to the Holy See, but the prank betrayed the sort of ignorant contempt that passes for cleverness in the corridors of power in Britain.

The National Secular Society, an atheist lobby group, has submitted to the government a petition against the papal tour and will demonstrate against the pontiff during the visit. The group's opinions are quoted widely and even promoted in the British press whenever the papal visit is discussed. The society’s protests against Islam, by contrast, seem limited to campaigning against the ritual slaughter of animals.

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1 posted on 09/16/2010 5:48:28 AM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

Why be shocked? Britain is a post-Christian country.


2 posted on 09/16/2010 5:50:22 AM PDT by BiggieLittle
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To: re_tail20

Couldn’t part of this reaction be from the Vatican’s new policy of bringing in Anglican churches into the Catholic fold?


3 posted on 09/16/2010 5:50:31 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: re_tail20

Church of ENGLAND

nuff said.


4 posted on 09/16/2010 5:51:15 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: re_tail20

Britain hasn’t been a strong supporter of Catholicism for about ... uh ... 500 years.


5 posted on 09/16/2010 5:52:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: re_tail20

..how many people in the poll were Muslims?


6 posted on 09/16/2010 5:52:18 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: re_tail20

I sometimes realize that the consequences of atheism are justified.


7 posted on 09/16/2010 5:52:18 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: re_tail20

Lets see how the Brits would greet a visit from an Imam. I’m betting they would present The Full Dhimmi.


8 posted on 09/16/2010 5:52:39 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: re_tail20
At the bottom of the scale, the cost of the visit — an estimated 10 million pounds (about 15.4 million U.S. dollars) to British taxpayers — has generated repeated complaints

British Catholics have paid billions in taxes over the years to support the official state church of Great Britain.

$15.4mm is less than a thousandth of a percent of what Her Majesty's government owes them.

Not to mention the billions of pounds of real estate that the British government illegally seized from the Catholic Church.

9 posted on 09/16/2010 5:53:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: re_tail20
It is way way way way way past time to get the "pope" the heck out of Italy!

Let's say we get a pope from inner city Detroit, or the gay area of San Francisco (ok...anywhere in the city will do), or perhaps a pope from Australia, or maybe even a pope from Washington D.C.??? (oh....wait....he already thinks he IS the pope).

Anywhere....anybody but another one from somewhere in Europe.

Perhaps the UN General Assembly could take the place of the college of cardinals as far as electing a new pope goes!! Wouldn't that be fun??!!

10 posted on 09/16/2010 5:56:29 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (What tagline??)
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To: ConservativeMind
Couldn’t part of this reaction be from the Vatican’s new policy of bringing in Anglican churches into the Catholic fold?

I doubt it.

The liberal Anglican "Christians" who are protesting are happy to see the traditional Anglicans go.

The radical Muslims who are protesting could care less where any Christians go.

The radical "conservative" Protestants who are protesting could care less, because they despise the state church only slightly less than the Catholic Church.

The radical atheists who are protesting could care less because they want to dismantle the state church.

11 posted on 09/16/2010 5:58:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: re_tail20
This is actually a good thing.

If the Pope were to visit a country lousy with Muslim fanatics, moral degenerates and aggressive atheists and get a warm welcome, it would mean he wasn't doing his job.

12 posted on 09/16/2010 6:01:35 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: re_tail20
Great link for live coverage! Live chat is on the right hand side.
13 posted on 09/16/2010 6:02:53 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Uh, yeah, weren’t Catholics basically banned from voting or holding public office until well into the 1800s in the UK? They’ve had a long tradition of anti-Catholicism even before they were overrun by secular humanism and Islam.

They’d bend over backwards if, say, an Iranian ayatollah showed up. But the Pope? Nothing but snark and protests. I think it’s sad, and I’m a Protestant.

}:-)4


14 posted on 09/16/2010 6:04:31 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: re_tail20

On the other hand - there are a LOT of people cheering the Pope in Scotland right this minute.

We shouldn’t focus on the looniest of the atheist left. They’re don’t represent Britain. They’re just the ones who get interviewed on the BBC.


15 posted on 09/16/2010 6:10:37 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: Logic n' Reason
anybody but another one from somewhere in Europe

I wonder who some of the likely third-world prospects for the next Pope are. I know it's bad form to discuss it, but he's no spring chicken.

16 posted on 09/16/2010 6:11:25 AM PDT by Genoa (Put the kettle on!)
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To: BiggieLittle

Amen....We lived in London for a year and teh Churches were EMPTY, except for the Catholic ones......and in Paris the Catholic Churches were EMPTY!! They get what they deserve.


17 posted on 09/16/2010 6:28:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Genoa; Logic n' Reason

I don’t know whether Logic n’ Reason was jesting when he said anywhere but Europe, but seriously speaking the remaining bastions of the Catholic Church are in Africa and South America. This is both in terms of absolute numbers, as well as actual fervor. Not Europe.


18 posted on 09/16/2010 6:41:28 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Genoa
". . . likely third-world prospects for the next Pope. . ."

3rd World.....you mean like the US? Mexico? Canada? Norway? Australia?

How's about a lady pope?? Wonder what name she'd choose?? And what about the title "pope"...would it then become "popette"? (as in: "popette hitlery I")??

19 posted on 09/16/2010 6:44:28 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (What tagline??)
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To: Logic n' Reason

I look for Africa or Latin America.


20 posted on 09/16/2010 6:55:11 AM PDT by Genoa (Put the kettle on!)
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To: wideawake

“Now I want you all to cheer like Protestants!” - The Quiet Man


21 posted on 09/16/2010 6:56:54 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

The whole Ireland issue seems to be missing from this thread, British loyal protestants verses Irish national Catholics. That hotbed still simmers, if somewhat beneath the surface.


22 posted on 09/16/2010 7:02:33 AM PDT by downtownconservative (Imam Obama has now noticed he has no clothes. His response? "That infidel Bush stole my clothes".)
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To: re_tail20
The hostility that many British are voicing toward Pope Benedict XVI has shocked church officials in Rome as they prepare for the first formal state visit to Great Britain by a reigning pontiff.

Oh really. Between placing the entire kingdom under interdict until King John agreed to turn it over to "Peter and Paul," opposition to the Magna Carta, the Avignon Papacy, the Babylonian Captivity, and the Reformation, I can't understand how this could have slipped under the Vatican's radar for, oh, 800 years or so.

23 posted on 09/16/2010 7:49:15 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa

Don’t forget Bloody Mary.


24 posted on 09/16/2010 8:35:27 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

Or Bloody Elizabeth, but she executed far more. ;)


25 posted on 09/16/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by BenKenobi ("Henceforth I will call nothing else fair unless it be her gift to me")
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To: re_tail20

God has no place in a Socialist society. The people exepect the government to provide for their every need, thus crowding out God’s blessings.


26 posted on 09/16/2010 2:08:43 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: re_tail20

See? Now if you had just let Hank divorce Cathy back in 1525 then you wouldn’t be facing such hostility.


27 posted on 09/16/2010 2:11:41 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BiggieLittle

Thing that amazes me how certain Christians on this forum trumpet how “holier” they are and how ‘Christian’ they are and yet heap abuse upon abuse on the Pope and yet remind me of people who even if they recognized the injustice, remained ‘silent’ and ‘complicit’ when another Man walked forward to be pilloried by ‘public opinion’, judged a wicked sinner, even put to death for crimes He did not commit. . .


28 posted on 09/16/2010 8:47:34 PM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII

I will say this though, Satan knows his true enemy and brings all his wiles to bear on our Holy Father and the Church.


29 posted on 09/16/2010 8:48:47 PM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII

I have no idea what your talking about. I never said anything bad about the pope.


30 posted on 09/18/2010 6:54:14 PM PDT by BiggieLittle
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