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[Vanity] - Why is Illegal Immigration Wrong?
09/17/2010 | Personal

Posted on 09/17/2010 11:40:59 PM PDT by hylandia

I live in San Francisco, and I think you all know what that implies. I am a dyed-in-the-wool liberal and nearly everyone I interact with daily is as well. I read Free Republic most days to try to understand why Obamacare is so hated, and why the Ground Zero Mosque is taking such flak. And to be honest, I understand most of the viewpoints here. I don't agree, but I understand. The only one I don't understand is the very, very strong opposition to illegal immigration. Is it strictly a legal opposition? Workers that flaunt our laws at the border are likely to flaunt others? Or are there other reasons? I promise not to post again... so the zotting is a foregone response. I am just very interested in exactly why you feel that illegal immigration is so wrong.


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1 posted on 09/17/2010 11:41:02 PM PDT by hylandia
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In before whatever ....


2 posted on 09/17/2010 11:42:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: hylandia

IBZ!


3 posted on 09/17/2010 11:42:16 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: hylandia

Gee, I don’t know. Do you like uninvited people walking into your home all hours of the day and night stealing your money, eating your food, and telling you how you need to accommodate them and make them permanent members of your household?


4 posted on 09/17/2010 11:45:12 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: hylandia

ILLEGAL=ILLEGAL

BTW in before the zot..


5 posted on 09/17/2010 11:45:15 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: hylandia

What part of ILLEGAL is so difficult for you, dear?


6 posted on 09/17/2010 11:45:26 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Enough of Obama's Recovery ... Can I have my Bush Recession Back??)
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To: hylandia

IBTZ!

Yeah!!!


7 posted on 09/17/2010 11:46:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hylandia
- Workers that flaunt our laws at the border are likely to flaunt others?

What makes them workers as opposed to drug mules, prostitutes and people looking for foodstamps?

8 posted on 09/17/2010 11:47:15 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If Obama was the answer---that must have been one stupid question!)
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To: hylandia; 50mm; darkwing104; Old Sarge

If you actually read FR you would know why. See ya!

Cue the kitties!


9 posted on 09/17/2010 11:47:23 PM PDT by GQuagmire (Hey now!)
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To: hylandia
Welcome to FR. Enjoy your (short) stay.

IBTZ!!!
10 posted on 09/17/2010 11:47:49 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Obama--Playing a West Wing fantasy in a '24' world.)
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To: hylandia

HOW the heck can anyone need this explained to them?


11 posted on 09/17/2010 11:48:19 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: hylandia
" I am just very interested in exactly why you feel that illegal immigration is so wrong."

Breaking the law I suppose.

12 posted on 09/17/2010 11:48:28 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: hylandia

It is against the law..we are a nationof laws...


13 posted on 09/17/2010 11:48:48 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: hylandia

Illegal immigrants depress wages. For instance, meat packing and chicken processing used to be done for good wages by union labor. Not no more. Across the country construction work, yard maintenance, pool cleaning, hotels/hospitality, office cleaning, restaurant work, fast food and on and on is now done for artificially low wages by illegal aliens. The Americans who used to do those jobs no longer do so. Indeed, in some instances, they don’t dare.


14 posted on 09/17/2010 11:49:03 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: hylandia

If you honestly want to know, enter Mexico illegally; demand benefits. The authorities there will explain it graphic detail.


15 posted on 09/17/2010 11:49:20 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Vendome

You are running out of water in California. Did you ever ask yourself why?


16 posted on 09/17/2010 11:49:37 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: hylandia

Why can’t I walk into Mexico and demand all sorts of rights, demand that they print everything in English, demand that they give me food stamps and subsidized housing and free medical care? They would shoot me, that’s why.


17 posted on 09/17/2010 11:50:34 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: hylandia

Illegal aliens consume public services. They qualify for all manner of free stuff at our expense. WIC, Section 8 housing, food stamps, all manner of government benefits that WE have to pay for.


18 posted on 09/17/2010 11:50:45 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: hylandia

19 posted on 09/17/2010 11:50:51 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: hylandia

Well you made a start by aknowledging it is illegal.But you are really just interested in gettin some good juicy backfeed.Maybe some other troll will provide that??


20 posted on 09/17/2010 11:50:55 PM PDT by Nooseman (mutt)
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To: hylandia

Illegals come here looking for a better life. But they take cuts in line and demand you pay for their better life. If you are waiting in line for a hot dog at a SF Giants game. You have been waiting for 10... 12... 15 minutes... and are about to get to the front to get your hot dog.. and here comes 30 or 40 people who take cuts in the line and then demand that you pay for their hot dog. The way you would feel approximates the way people feel about illegal immigrants.


21 posted on 09/17/2010 11:51:13 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: hylandia

You know, It’s my Birthday and it’s Constitution Day.

That is the best question you could come up with?


22 posted on 09/17/2010 11:51:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hylandia

23 posted on 09/17/2010 11:52:00 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Life Imitates Bacon, but Bacon does not imitate Life. Bacon IS life." ~paulycy)
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To: Vendome

Happy BirthDay!


24 posted on 09/17/2010 11:54:10 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If Obama was the answer---that must have been one stupid question!)
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To: hylandia

I don’t “feel” illegal aliens breaking into my country is wrong,

I “know” it’s illegal and I do not want any undocumented persons here, period, no matter the county of origin.


25 posted on 09/17/2010 11:54:25 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: SaraJohnson

I’m not running out of water and I have two lifesaver bottles to purify any water I find.

California is beautiful.

What is in short supply are honest intellectuals who can see down the road and plan for it’s eventuality.


26 posted on 09/17/2010 11:54:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Daffynition


27 posted on 09/17/2010 11:54:41 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gene Eric

^5


28 posted on 09/17/2010 11:55:00 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: hylandia

Illegal aliens use services while getting paid under the table. Their children go to public schools, they may pay taxes but they cost far more than they deliver.

They get free medical care. Hospitals are required by law to treat people who come in the emergency room. On the border, Mexican ambulances bring in people that have to be treated. Not just minor stuff but things like organ transplants. America has become the free hospital to Mexico and Central America. As a result, emergency rooms are overloaded and hospitals are closing across the country because of all the unreimbursed care they have to dish out. Our health care system is collapsing because of all the illegal aliens it has to treat.


29 posted on 09/17/2010 11:55:03 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: hylandia

IBTZ!!! (For a change.)


30 posted on 09/17/2010 11:56:11 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Anyone who has read Roman history knows a barbarian invasion when they see one.)
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To: hylandia; Old Sarge; darkwing104; rabscuttle385; 50mm; Atom Smasher; 230FMJ; Aircop_2006; bcsco; ...
Educating you on domestic law, national sovereignty, the United States Constitution, the lives lost in defense of it's construct, and the various, uniquely American intangibles will take far longer than your projected lifespan here. And from the content of your post, if you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.

Sorry November 2nd is about to unplug you from your personal Matrix. Have a nice life. Oh, and IBTZ.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

31 posted on 09/17/2010 11:56:14 PM PDT by Viking2002 (2010 - NO PRISONERS! NO QUARTER!)
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To: hylandia
Why is Illegal Immigration Wrong?

If you have to ask then you don't belong here.

32 posted on 09/17/2010 11:56:59 PM PDT by Semper Mark (0bama: "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thanks!

I count 7 dingbats who signed up today asking various and sundry idiotic questions.

My one ray of sunshine is the hope this thread will turn humorous.

But, it won’t as the premise of the subject is idiotic and the poster doesn’t even have a name we can make fun of.


33 posted on 09/17/2010 11:57:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hylandia

Brain Drain of poorer country youth. You know a poor Country spends it money educating its young people and then they go off to another Country for more money.

Another reason is it take away jobs from people who are here legally, and that includes many blacks and Latinos as well as everbody else.

Illegals drive up the costs the States have to bear. You see when an illegal has kids, they go.....
to school and the State pays for it,
to a hospital and the State pays for it
to a jail and the State pays for it
Not the feds. Like 30 percent of State Prisons populations are illegals.

The Federal Government on the other hand only gets mostly the benefits of illegals, like the taxes the employers pay and so forth. And guess who controls the border? The Federal Government

Welcome to FR


34 posted on 09/17/2010 11:57:08 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: hylandia

1) We are a society based around law, not tribes. Disrespect for the law is damaging in and of itself, but also a) it leads to future lawbreaking, and b) it leads to a sense of privilege for the tribe allowed to get away with it.

2) Our forefathers came over here and did the hard job of entering legally, so to allow others to flaunt the law is to urinate on the legacy of our ancestors.

3) Due to the overwhelming number of illegal Mexican immigrants, we now have a separate culture within our borders. A nation with more than one language and culture is not one that is united.

4) It forces Americans out of jobs. Two examples: a) we could have been developing more automation technology for agriculture. Just imagine how this industry could have cushioned the fall of our automotive industry! b) just talk to someone in the building trades what the impact of illegal immigration has been.

5) Legal immigrants are sponsored. The sponsor is supposed to make sure the immigrant is not a troublemaker. Illegals have no sponsor, and because of the socio-economic class the vast majority belong to, they get into lots and lots of trouble. This has caused huge problems with crime, and many citizen victims.

6) It creates a new underclass in America. They are separate, yet taken advantage of for menial labor tasks. We fought a bloody war in the 1800 to get past that.

7) It creates a huge underclass in America that overwhelms our social services to the point of bankruptcy.

8) IT IS ILLEGAL, YOU DOPE! WE SHOULDN’T HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE EXISTENCE OF LONG-STANDING, COMMON-SENSE LAWS YOU LIBS WANT TO BREAK!!!


35 posted on 09/17/2010 11:57:08 PM PDT by Yossarian (A pro-life democrat is one who holds out for something in return for his pro-abortion vote.)
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To: Vendome

Vendome! Happy Birthday!
(Yesterday)...lol.


36 posted on 09/17/2010 11:57:51 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: hylandia

It is highly disturbing that you would even ask this question. Are you completely lacking in common sense?

What’s next, you’re gonna wonder why rape and child molestation are wrong?

Wake up and give your head a shake, buddy.


37 posted on 09/17/2010 11:58:38 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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How about this: My wife is here from another counrty, we did all the paper work, paid the fees, and on and on. It took over a year for her to come here. Once here I had to ensure she had a means of support by law. Illegals enter and can go straight on a goverment program. That is one of the reasons I have a problem with illegals.


38 posted on 09/17/2010 11:58:47 PM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: hylandia

The people here illegally are not the real criminals. They are simply the cannon fodder for two groups that are equally bad:

- Country-club Republicans who want cheap labor
- Dems who want to build a reliable vote bank


39 posted on 09/17/2010 11:58:53 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Viking2002; Berlin_Freeper

Hey, maybe tonight will not be so boring.

Viking pinged a huge list.


40 posted on 09/17/2010 11:59:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hylandia
The only one I don't understand is the very, very strong opposition to illegal immigration.

Perhaps this picture will clear things up:

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41 posted on 09/17/2010 11:59:50 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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What is your address? Leave the door open and I’ll bring over a dozen people and we’ll take advantage of your hospitality. Leave the credit cards on the kitchen counter.


42 posted on 09/17/2010 11:59:56 PM PDT by unkus
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Illegal aliens commit crimes. I can’t give you the numbers but in many states the majority of wanted murderers and drug dealers are illegal aliens. You’ve heard of MS-13 perhaps? A sizeable percentage of our prison population is composed of illegal aliens. Drunk driving, public urination and child molestation are practically Mexican cultural traditions, or so it would seem from reading the crime stats. The PC types love to profile salt-of-the-earth types when they do media segments but statistically the overall profile of illegals is decidedly weighted towards the undesirable end of the scale.

Illegal aliens do not have anything invested in this country so they trash the place. If you’re just passing through you don’t have any interest in the long-term welfare of the neighborhood you happen to be living in and you behave accordingly.


43 posted on 09/18/2010 12:01:30 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: onyx

Still my Birthday, in my time zone.

For 7 more minutes.

Thanks!


44 posted on 09/18/2010 12:01:37 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: hylandia

1) Because the taxpayers have the right to exclude people from adding to the burden they already bear. The courts have (wrongly) ruled that anyone residing here is not just elligible for all the same free bennies paid for by taxpayers as anyone else, but in most cases MUST be be provided them

2) Because citizens have the right to exclude those from their community those who may not be loyal to it, who may not share their values, goals and allegiances. The citizens collectively are the Sovereign Power over the territory of the nation, and so have the right to allow or deny permission to enter.

3) Because the PRIVILEGE of being allowed to reside here should be FAIRLY ALLOCATED AMONG ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLES. It is TOTALLY UNFAIR that those who don’t have to get on a boat or plane to come here should be allowed to take up all the available slots.


45 posted on 09/18/2010 12:02:13 AM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: oblomov; hylandia

I should have added:

The problem with what the Dems and the country-club Republicans want is this: it creates social disruption and an environment of lawlessness, only to serve their own nefarious ends.


46 posted on 09/18/2010 12:02:13 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Islander7

I____ zot


47 posted on 09/18/2010 12:02:32 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: hylandia
Every entity that perpetuates itself has a border and controls what crosses that border. Look to the natural world. Cells have membranes, or walls. Cells with comparatively weak borders allow viral infection and horizontal gene transfer; they are destroyed, or their essential nature is changed by outside influences. Cells with stronger borders maintain their essential nature, survive, and prosper. Conservatives like the idea of America, wish to conserve its essential nature, and that requires maintaining a strong border.

If the natural analogy doesn't appeal to you, consider any organization of which you are a voluntary member--professional organizations, etc. These organizations set the standards for who may join and who is excluded. You probably approve of this. Certainly no one is arguing for illegal enrollment into the bar, for instance. Why, then, do some support illegal immigration? I consider the community of Americans to be far nobler than the aforementioned organization, and I believe we should define the requirements for joining this community and enforce them.

48 posted on 09/18/2010 12:03:14 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: hylandia
It's an illegal migration to the US which dwarfs all previous migration waves by proportion....much much more so.

It's unsustainable just in pure numbers...we cannot assimilate the third world even though assimilation doesn't seem high on the to do list for this latest bunch.

That and the fact that they now usually vote leftist 80% like yourself further guaranteeing that we will end up with an even more lopsided society where those who receive from taxes far outweigh those who pay them. The only recent immigrants of note who tend to vote conservative tend to be Vietnamese, Sikhs and first and second generation Cubans....nearly all else take a quick left turn. This troubles conservatives here...or at least it should. Some GOP in the past were foolish enough to think that since many of these latino immigrants are Catholic that they would be conservative...foolish boys...they didn't even bother to check Catholic voting stats before releasing that canard or they might have known better...that would be the former Bush administration...yep...the one you probably hated. They were barely any better than Barack on this issue.

Not to mention the burden on the government services that even conservatives too agree should be a part of a reasonable Republic.

No nation can survive without enforcing it's borders, it's collective culture and it collective language.

Study the fall of the Romans and later the Celts and Saxons in that order for instruction.

The Left believes that the West in general and America in particular is one huge tapestry of a crime against humanity of a racist bigoted sexist and Christian nature. Were the illegals in question white Christian males then I doubt you would hear a peep from the Left or RINOs to not prosecute existing Federal statutes and stop their streaming over our borders.

Hence the racial component to this....this is a backdoor way to mandate whites to minority status as a means of redress for all this history the Left propagates and feeds from and guarantee themselves a super majority foe generations....pretty nifty eh?

But right now...looks like the wheels are off the Politically Correct train and there will be a reckoning in a few weeks

ya’ll over there are KOS better hold on...

49 posted on 09/18/2010 12:03:51 AM PDT by wardaddy (Yes..to race baiters and self righteous type folks here....I am indeed Satan. I confess.)
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To: hylandia

Found it and here is my stunned response:

If you aren’t an idiot, you made a world-class effort at simulating one. Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You’re a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won’t have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you’re a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I’m sorry. I can’t go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don’t have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn’t really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative post was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of crap among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us “normal” people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are “challenged” persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn’t have been “right”. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.


50 posted on 09/18/2010 12:04:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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