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Exclusive: WW2 Britain Blew Up Jewish Refugee Ships
news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast ^ | Sept 19 2010 | Andrew Roberts

Posted on 09/20/2010 2:29:24 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

A new book uncovers shocking secret attacks launched on ships bearing Holocaust survivors en route to Israel. Andrew Roberts on the violent lengths to which post-war Britain went to appease oil-rich Arab states.

As Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, the pitiful remnants of History’s greatest crime, tried to make their way across an often hostile Europe at the end of the Second World War, toward at least a semblance of safety in the Holy Land, they had no shortage of problems with which to contend, including disease and malnutrition, Polish anti-Semitism, Soviet indifference, Allied bureaucracy, and Arab nationalism. Now we discover that they faced yet another peril in the shape of bombs planted on their transport ships by Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6.

A new book to be published next week entitled MI6: The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949, by the distinguished British historian Keith Jeffery, reveals the existence of Operation Embarrass, a plan to try to prevent Jews getting into Palestine in 1946-'48 using disinformation and propaganda but also explosive devices placed on ships. Nor is this some speculative spy story that can be denied by the authorities: Dr. Jeffrey’s book is actually, in their own words: “Published with the permission of The Secret Intelligence Service and the Controller of Her Majesty’s Stationery Office.”

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: bombing; britain; history; israel; jews; mi6
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1 posted on 09/20/2010 2:29:27 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Exodus
2 posted on 09/20/2010 2:34:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I am sadly unsurprised. I hope this turns out to be false.


3 posted on 09/20/2010 2:35:49 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SJackson

ping


4 posted on 09/20/2010 2:37:49 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You never see reported the Arab/Nazi connection. More Muslim history to avoid teaching.


5 posted on 09/20/2010 2:38:25 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is BS. I first ran across rumors like this some time back when I first began digging up primary evidence for my Masters. There is NO PROOF British Intelligence blew up refugee ships. The idea is absurd.

Now, they DID interfere with Jewish immigration into Palestine, mostly to protect oil industry properties in the Middle East. The Palestinians were busy selling land to refugees (no, the refugees did not take the future Israel by force), and this was freaking out other Arab centers of power, which were tending Nazi, anyway. To avoid more rebellions than the Nazis were already stirring up, the English schemed to limit Jewish immigration into the Middle East.

But blow up ships? No way.


6 posted on 09/20/2010 2:38:53 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“...on the violent lengths to which post-war Britain went to appease oil-rich Arab states.”

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Don’t only blame Britain — what the hell are Muslims doing in the West if it wasn’t for their oil? Especially when the history of the West is rife with examples of violent conflict between it and Islam.

The two will NEVER be able to co-exist. The sooner we realize it, the better.


7 posted on 09/20/2010 2:39:07 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: warchild9

It sounds like BS to me too.


8 posted on 09/20/2010 2:44:45 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Jewbacca

Coincidence that Britain has fallen apart since then? I think not. Another tragedy of Churchill being voted out after the war.


9 posted on 09/20/2010 2:46:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Rangers Magic Number - 6)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
They didn't want the Jew hating liberals to post there.

Comments have been closed for this article

10 posted on 09/20/2010 2:46:58 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: EveningStar

A close reading of the book will probably yield weasel words like “rumored” or “possibly.”


11 posted on 09/20/2010 2:53:31 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
Dr. Jeffrey’s book is actually, in their own words: “Published with the permission of The Secret Intelligence Service and the Controller of Her Majesty’s Stationery Office.”

To some of us, this is not news. Flail as you will.

12 posted on 09/20/2010 2:59:21 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
That's no surprise to analytical readers of that period in history, but everyone should see it. ...good post!

=========== Begin Quoted Excerpts ================

From PalestineFacts.org

British Mandate
British Opposition


Why did the British oppose Jewish immigration to Palestine?

[...]

Implications of the Immigration Restrictions

[...]

Ruth Gruber, an American journalist with close ties to the refugee situation was witness to the incident that became world-famous from Leon Uris' book Exodus

* While in Jerusalem, [Gruber] learned that a former American pleasure boat, renamed the Exodus 1947, had attempted to deliver 4,500 Jewish refugees — including 600 children, mostly orphans — but was attacked by five British destroyers and a cruiser. Gruber left immediately for Haifa and witnessed the Exodus entering the harbor, looking, as Gruber wrote, "like a matchbox splintered by a nutcracker."
* During the "battle," the British rammed the Exodus and stormed it with guns, tear gas and truncheons. Gruber noted that the crew, mostly Jews from America and Palestine, fought back with potatoes, sticks and cans of kosher meat. The Exodus’s second officer, Bill Bernstein of San Francisco, was clubbed to death trying to prevent a British soldier from entering the wheelhouse. Two orphans were killed, one shot in the face point blank after he tossed an orange at a soldier.
* When she learned that the prisoners from the Exodus were being transferred to Cyprus, she flew there overnight. While she waited for the Exodus detainees, she photographed earlier Jewish prisoners living behind barbed wire in steaming hot tents with almost no water or sanitary facilities. "You had to smell Cyprus to believe it," she cabled the New York Herald.
* The British changed plans and sent the Exodus prisoners to Port de Bouc in southern France, where they had first embarked. Gruber rushed there from Cyprus. When the prison ships arrived, the prisoners refused to disembark. After 18 days in which the refugees endured the blistering heat, the British decided to ship the Jews back to Germany. World press reaction reflected outrage. While hundreds of journalists descended on Port de Bouc, only Gruber was allowed by the British to accompany the DP’s back to Germany.
* Aboard the prison ship Runnymeade Park, Gruber photographed the refugees defiantly raising a Union Jack on which they had painted a swastika. Her photo became Life Magazine’s "Picture of the Week." Crushed together on the sweltering ship, making their way back to Germany, the refugees sang "Hatikvah," the Hebrew song of hope, soon to become Israel's National Anthem.


Gruber’s book Exodus 1947 about the DP’s endurance would later provide Leon Uris with material for his book and screenplay, Exodus, which helped turn American public opinion in favor of Israel.

============ End Quote ===============


13 posted on 09/20/2010 3:00:40 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Jewbacca

Given Britain’s methodology during the Boer wars, there realy isn’t anything here out of character.


14 posted on 09/20/2010 3:18:15 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jewbacca
There have been a couple documentaries about this on BBC about this in recent years.

I never knew if they were credible since the BBC never seems to source anything.
15 posted on 09/20/2010 3:27:20 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Hardraade

There is still no proof, Harald. Nada. They pay me to unearth primary documentation. Check out my bio.

/a bio, hopefully, with an added “on tenure track” by the end of the year!


16 posted on 09/20/2010 3:39:22 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
"hopefully, with an added “on tenure track” by the end of the year!"

So once you get your tenure you will become untouchable and you can say anything you want without consequences?

17 posted on 09/20/2010 3:51:50 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Salem

ping


18 posted on 09/20/2010 4:01:20 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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19 posted on 09/20/2010 4:06:53 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: rmlew; Yehuda

ping


20 posted on 09/20/2010 4:26:55 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Berlin_Freeper
OK first question ...it there a record of a Jewish Refugee Ship blowing up?..if so how many...

Being this was peace time after the war I would think a Jewish Refugee Ship blowing up would be a major story of the time... I just am not aware of ever hearing anything of this, accident or otherwise

21 posted on 09/20/2010 4:30:39 PM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: warchild9
There is still no proof, Harald. Nada. They pay me to unearth primary documentation. Check out my bio.

Very impressive, I'm sure. And you still couldn't unearth the primary documentation implicit in the MI6/official approval of this work? Amazing. Let me know how that tenure's coming ;).

22 posted on 09/20/2010 4:38:38 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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23 posted on 09/20/2010 6:45:29 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Actually, since I’m paid by a private foundation, and have publications under my belt, I’m pretty free to say what I want, now. You don’t have to fish for conspiracy clues.

It’s the grunts, like the adjuncts, who have to toe the line of their supervisors, if they want to get ahead. It’s like any job. Adjuncts are just temps, without contracts. (The Black Messiah was an adjunct. A quick test of the ignorance of a worshiper of the O: find out if they think he was a “Professor of Constitutional Law.” That is a misinformed, deluded individual who hasn’t done their homework. The Messiah was just a temp.)


24 posted on 09/20/2010 6:45:52 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Fred Nerks; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; ...
See? It must be okay then. ;') Thanks Berlin_Freeper. From 1948-1949, Immanuel Velikovsky:
25 posted on 09/20/2010 6:49:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SunkenCiv

I appreciate the ping.

However, that whole ball of wax leaves me more than a little outraged.

I’m aware of the broad outline of the genocidal globalist treasonous evils . . . and some of the specifics. I’d best let the rest pass by, for now.


26 posted on 09/20/2010 6:52:46 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Hardraade

My specialty is wartime industrial development and treaty law. (More the former than the latter—treaty law actually is quite boring, but I had to really dig into it when investigating Cash-and-Carry and Lend Lease.)

I said I encountered rumors of the matter of the Jewish refugees and their ships while researching my Master’s. I never said I was looking for same. EVERY professional World War II historian knows the story, and how phony it is. The public is reacquainted with it every few years by sensationalist book writers.

You were putting words in my mouth. Reading comprehension...was it ever taught in your school system?


27 posted on 09/20/2010 6:53:11 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: SunkenCiv

None of your links are working. Are they from a single host?


28 posted on 09/20/2010 6:53:48 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Whoops, working links:
29 posted on 09/20/2010 6:53:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: MrEdd

yeah, I’m a little dim tonight:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2593000/posts?page=29#29


30 posted on 09/20/2010 6:54:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Hardraade

Actually, going back over what I had written, I can see where you’d get the idea I was specifically researching this matter. That misled you, and I apologize for being unclear.

Let’s just say I’ve run across undocumented rumors—and flat-out lies—about British attacks on Jewish ships. They DID fire on a few, though, which refused to obey commands to halt for inspection before entering a closed port. That is legal under international law, if sufficient warning is given first.

Always keep in mind, when the Middle East is concerned, everybody lies like the dickens.


31 posted on 09/20/2010 7:00:42 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

So where does your tenure come in at?


32 posted on 09/20/2010 7:06:18 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

What do you mean?


33 posted on 09/20/2010 7:48:37 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
You stated that "hopefully, with an added “on tenure track” by the end of the year!"

to me tenure meant public school system and you stated that you worked for pivate systems and my question was where does the tenure come in?

34 posted on 09/20/2010 8:04:05 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t suppose the author actually names one of the ships?


35 posted on 09/20/2010 8:07:22 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: guitarplayer1953

Ah, I see where you’re question.

“Tenure” means different things as far as public school teachers and University teachers are concerned.

Tenure for school teachers means someone put in their time, paid for the necessary certificates, and now they have pretty much a job for life. It was originally a means to sweeten the remuneration of teachers of children, because it used to pay very poorly (and still does, in many areas of the country, like Eastern North Carolina, where I come from). At the very least, come Depression or whatever, they always had a job.

Tenure for University teachers originated in the Middle Ages, when “heresy” involved not agreeing with the current biblical doctrine. “Seizing tenure” meant that the teacher in a Medieval University (who was usually a Catholic priest, by the way) could study Aristotle or Plato or whatever without worrying about being the centerpiece of a bonfire. It obviously didn’t always work.

Modern tenure means, I have my PhD, publications, and quite a bit of teaching experience. It means I’ve proven capable of carrying on research projects on my own, and that I’m ready to evaluate candidates for PhD’s in my field (history, in this case).
Legally, it does NOT guarantee me an income or teaching position, but it DOES give me a leg up in promotions and in grant-hunting. And, in case you’re wondering, I’ve NEVER felt obligated to “toe the line” politically in this school, as a student or teacher. One of my earlier prof’s even worked on Reagan’s initial economic development team.

And I won’t tell the name of my school because of internet stalkers. However, a person would have had to spent their life in a cave on the moon not to recognize it.


36 posted on 09/20/2010 8:23:39 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
So in a sense you are certified to do your job, even if it is not in a guaranteed teaching position with all its papers and job for life type deal.
37 posted on 09/20/2010 8:27:43 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

That’s right. I’m on my way to a full professorship, which means I can head an academic department or pretty much spend more time researching and less teaching (though I found that I really like teaching—to my surprise). With a few more commercial books under my belt (one published now, and two more to follow within eighteen months), I’ll probably find myself being recruited for other schools. I’ll never leave this one, though. It’s close to home, and its...extremely...prestigious. Competes with Hahvahd and Yale in terms of professional standing.


38 posted on 09/20/2010 8:36:42 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sad, though not Surprised.

If true, Britain is paying for this great crime against humanity now, as its great empire and culture shrivel up under the veil of sharia law and muslim domination.

Lack of caps is deliberate.


39 posted on 09/20/2010 8:44:55 PM PDT by left that other site (Your MiQ-MaQ Paddy Wacky Bass-Playing Biker Buddy(El Kabong))
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To: warchild9
Oh bother. You didn't mislead me in the least.

The book we are discussing is focussing on concrete cases, and there is enough description to know what's on the table here. Not "firing on ships that refuses inspection". We also know that MI6/and other authority has authorized the description.

To detail:

Now we discover that they faced yet another peril in the shape of bombs planted on their transport ships by Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6.

So basically you were spouting off without having even looked, or spouting off against better knowledge, and using your "historian" credentials for pushing a rather overheated claim that this guy has to be bluffing.

Now, with a very few and disreputable exceptions, historians tend to do their homework a bit better. No sale.

40 posted on 09/20/2010 9:17:01 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: warchild9

Is it an all girls school?


41 posted on 09/20/2010 9:27:26 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
So once you get your tenure you will become untouchable and you can say anything you want without consequences?

But probably with a dandy retirement and health care for life. Teachers of all types are largely part of a powerful union machine.
42 posted on 09/20/2010 11:12:33 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping. The article story doesn’t surprise me at all. Britain has always had Arab & Muslim sympathies. One day I suspect it’ll come back to bite them in a major way.


43 posted on 09/21/2010 2:39:56 AM PDT by odds
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To: Berlin_Freeper
That is why God reduced Britain to a 4th rate power!

No nation survives attacking the Jews-got that Buchanan!

44 posted on 09/21/2010 3:09:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: fortheDeclaration

Zechariah 2:8 KJV

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath He sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of His eye.


45 posted on 09/21/2010 10:34:47 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Well stated.


46 posted on 09/23/2010 2:48:41 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: familyop

The situation was more complex than Britain storming around Jewish refugee ships like Nazi stormtroopers.

Remember, British soldiers and civilians were being murdered, shot and bombed by Jewish terrorists in Palestine at that time. And they were using the publicity to raise guns and funds and even using those ships to smuggle in arms.


47 posted on 09/25/2010 3:01:56 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: MrEdd

The Boer deaths were due to appallingly bad running of the camps, not deliberate murder. In fact there was a huge public outcry when the full horror became known, and hundreds of doctors, nurses and staff were sent immediately to take over the camps. And deaths plummeted.

The Boer deaths were almost all women and children. And the Boers died because their refusal to breed/marry outside the Boer people means that they were more suspetible to certain diseases than other Europeans in SA. Literally, to some they had NO immunity.


48 posted on 09/25/2010 3:05:15 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Jewbacca

I too hope the same, but remember the UK was broke following the end of WW2... :^(


49 posted on 09/28/2010 7:40:31 PM PDT by investigateworld (Torah is written in and on the hearts of all men ..........(Now at 1776x2,com))
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To: the scotsman

Also, the hanging of those enlisted British soldiers ... bad tactical error :^(


50 posted on 09/28/2010 9:50:59 PM PDT by investigateworld (Torah is written in and on the hearts of all men ..........(Now at 1776x2,com))
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