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Video of Airplane Defying Aeronautical logic, by Flying Upright in Place
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Posted on 10/01/2010 8:36:24 PM PDT by OneVike

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Of all the great and amazing aerobatic tricks performed at the Chico Air Show I attended last weekend, there is probably none that I was more fascinated with then a stunt performed by a pilot who stood his plane on end in the air while holding it in place.  My only problem was I forgot to record it with my video camera.  I was so enthralled by the many performances that I also never interviewed any of the performers like I wanted to.  So I decided to return on Sunday morning and see if I could catch up with a few of the "White Collar Carnies ®" who's lives revolve around the Air Show circuit throughout America. 
  
One person I was able to interview was Bill Braack, owner and driver of the famous "Smoke-n-Thunder" jet car.  While I was waiting to talk to him I was pleasantly surprised to see pilot who stood his plane on end, practicing over near near the end of the runway. This time I was not going to forget to video tape it.  While the stunt did not last as long as it did when he performed it during the show, I was able to catch it on film.  I added it to music and that is what I offer you in the video below.
  
Now I will admit that I know very little about the full capabilities of airplanes, but when I saw the pilot do what he did with his airplane on Saturday, I was absolutely blown away.  I never would have thought it to be possible that an airplane could be made to do something I thought only helicopters could do. I do know about the V-22 Osprey which can fly like a helicopter or an airplane, but it was designed to do that. This is a small crop duster type of an airplane. 
  
I did do some research, but all I could find out was that maybe the pilot was doing something like reverse flying as he made his plane stand still in the air. I am sure that there are pilots who can tell me that this is quite normal, but this is a first for me.
Even after I did a Google search, I couldn't find anything more than I already mentioned, nor could I find any videos that are similar to the one I am offering for you to watch. 
  
If there is anyone who could direct me to a site that I can read about this maneuver, or even see a similar video of an airplane of the same thing, then please give me the URL of them.

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Regardless whether you have seen such a maneuver before, you must admit that it's pretty cool a plane stand in the air as it seems to defy logic.
1 posted on 10/01/2010 8:36:27 PM PDT by OneVike
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I filmed this airplane standing upright, as if to deny both gravity and aeronautical logic. Has anyone ever seen such a stunt before? .....

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2 posted on 10/01/2010 8:37:44 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

We do this all the time with R/C planes. It’s called 3D flying. Lots of power and huge control surfaces. Seeing a full size plane do it is very impressive.


3 posted on 10/01/2010 8:41:16 PM PDT by ParityErr (It's impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious.)
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To: OneVike

Yup, almost every airshow. They hang by the prop. It’s got a name but I don’t remember it.

I’ve seen them do this, then rise into a slow hammerhead turn.


4 posted on 10/01/2010 8:41:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: OneVike

As a pilot myself, at such a low altitude, HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET OUT OF THAT attitude? Anyone know?


5 posted on 10/01/2010 8:41:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: OneVike

I’ve seen Radio Controlled model airplanes do that maneuver all the time. It’s called “3D” flying.

I’ve never seen a full size Yak aerobatic aircraft perform it, howver.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 8:43:34 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: OneVike
I filmed this airplane standing upright, as if to deny both gravity and aeronautical logic. Has anyone ever seen such a stunt before? .....

So many times I'm bored with it.

It's called 3D flying. If you look at the 7-second mark you can see the pilot flying the model airplane. The model looks like a 40%-scale model (40% the size of the full-size)

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL9mh8PYHeg

And, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3d-flying&aq=f

Like I say, bor-ing...

7 posted on 10/01/2010 8:43:41 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: OneVike

Amazing power to weight ratio for a prop job!


8 posted on 10/01/2010 8:43:51 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: central_va
As a pilot myself, at such a low altitude, HOW THE HECK DO YOU GET OUT OF THAT attitude? Anyone know?

Yeah. Lots of power. You cob the throttle and fly straight up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ec-hGD_UqA

9 posted on 10/01/2010 8:45:56 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: ParityErr
Seeing a full size plane do it is very impressive.

It's not a full-size. If you stop the video at the 7-second mark you can see the RC pilot flying the model.

10 posted on 10/01/2010 8:47:17 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
If you look at the 7-second mark you can see the pilot flying the model airplane. The model looks like a 40%-scale model (40% the size of the full-size)

Sorry, you are wrong.

It is a full scale plane with a pilot. Read the article. I filmed it myself at the airshow.

It is not a model plane.
11 posted on 10/01/2010 8:48:32 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: central_va

VERY CAREFULLY.


12 posted on 10/01/2010 8:51:09 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: OneVike

I believe the term is called “hanging on the prop”, it in no way defies “aeronautical logic”.


13 posted on 10/01/2010 8:51:48 PM PDT by theymakemesick ( islam - inspired by Satan www.prophetofdoom.net)
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 10/01/2010 8:52:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: OneVike

Of course you all DO know that is a giant scale radio control airplane and not a full size with a human in it????...;o) I have a friend who competes with a 40% of size Sukhoi...he can do this all day...


15 posted on 10/01/2010 8:53:30 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
It's not a full-size. If you stop the video at the 7-second mark you can see the RC pilot flying the model.

Yep...as a pilot and mechanic who is always going to airshows no one at present does this in a full size...just don't quite have the power to weight....some can almost hang on the prop in a slow knife edge...but not stationary...also in a full size if the engine were to burp you'd be dead. With an R/C...you just pick up the pieces and go home and glue them back together...;o)

16 posted on 10/01/2010 8:58:12 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr; Ol' Dan Tucker; central_va
READ MY WORDS CAREFULLY.

I WAS THERE & FILMED IT MYSELF. IT IS NOT A MODEL!!!!


Anyone here says it is not, does not know what they are talking about. The plane has a pilot. It was filmed t5hwe Chico California Air Show.

Sheesh!
17 posted on 10/01/2010 8:59:01 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

If you say so...;o)


18 posted on 10/01/2010 9:00:23 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: OneVike

Could you post the pilot’s name so I can contact him? Besides I work in the industry and know most of them....


19 posted on 10/01/2010 9:02:00 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

Don’t know


20 posted on 10/01/2010 9:03:00 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Well when you can back up your statement with more than “take my word for it” let me know...;o)


21 posted on 10/01/2010 9:04:06 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: OneVike
outstanding...
22 posted on 10/01/2010 9:04:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OneVike

Many years ago, in a land far away, I witnessed several times a similar a/c maneuver. A very light plane, French made I think, would actually ‘hover’ on the side of a hill/mountain and allow cargo or a passenger to get out or be loaded in. Quite amazing. Pilot said it was a combination of a/c design, wind currents, gravity, feathering the controls and pure damn luck that allowed it to be done.


23 posted on 10/01/2010 9:04:42 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Niteflyr

“Yep...as a pilot and mechanic who is always going to airshows no one at present does this in a full size.”

I’ve seen this at airshows, with a full size real plane with pilot, and as I said above, I’ve seen this go into a climb then a hammerhead to get out of it.


24 posted on 10/01/2010 9:04:42 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: OneVike

There’s a term for this when an aircraft’s engine is powerful enough to provide the thrust necessary to lift the body of the aircraft without developing aerodynamic lift by way of the wing surfaces.

IIRC, the F-16’s engine is of the same class, with its output enough to get the aircraft vertically into the air sans wing-developed lift, if it could be arranged.


25 posted on 10/01/2010 9:04:47 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Niteflyr

at the beginning, three is guy that is really close to the plane....hmmmmmm,,,holing a remote contral????, at an angle were we can’t see it????


26 posted on 10/01/2010 9:06:44 PM PDT by ak267
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To: OneVike

Saw an aerobatic high power plane do that in ‘80 at the EAA Sun-n-Fun Fly-In in Lakeland Florida. It was crazy. Your pilot did it at a lower flight level.


27 posted on 10/01/2010 9:12:54 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: DBrow
I’ve seen this at airshows, with a full size real plane with pilot,

I know what you are talking about and some of these full scale aerobatic airplanes have just about enough power to virtually hang on the prop like a giant scale R/C airplane..but for safety concerns NO ONE is doing this just above the ground like this video shows...which was more the point I was making... plus in this video you can see the pilot with transmitter in the foreground as someone pointed out....

28 posted on 10/01/2010 9:13:17 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: OneVike
It is not a model plane.

One way to positively determine whether this is a model or a full-size is to listen to the sound of the engine, but your video has replaced the sound of the engine with music.

How about re-doing it so we can hear the engine?

Was this pilot a part of the airshow? What was his name? Did you see him land? Did you see the pilot exit the cockpit?

I checked the web site for the 2010 Chico airshow and there wasn't a Yak-55 or Sukhoi-26/Sukhoi 30 listed as a performer.

I also checked their photo gallery. (See: 2010 Chico Airshow Photo Gallery)

You'd think that they would want to get photos of such an amazing feat of flying and yet, there is not a single photo.

A search of Google for any airplanes hovering at the Chico airshow turns up nothing.

Were you the only spectator in attendance when you shot the footage?

In short, I am not wrong. This was a model airplane.

If you still on insisting that this is a full-size, then post the raw, unedited video with the sound of the engine.

That will tell us once and for all whether this is a 40% model or a full-size airplane.

29 posted on 10/01/2010 9:13:40 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: central_va

He just hung ‘er on the prop. With a light enough plane and a powerful enough engine it’s a piece of cake. As you can see in the video, he made it “waltz” around at ground level briefly, and when he was ready to fly off again he just gunned the engine and as soon as it was moving fast enough for the control surfaces to become effective he could level off, turn, whatever. I never could do aerobatics. Doing 360 degree turns at a 60 degree bank pretty near made me lose my breakfast!


30 posted on 10/01/2010 9:19:51 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: OneVike

Aerotech Yak 54 Prop Hanging

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_yS0vDeXkw


31 posted on 10/01/2010 9:20:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

He did a similar maneuver during the show but not as low to the ground. This was the next morning while I was waiting to talk to the driver of the jet car. It was off to the end of the runway a ways off.

I will see is I can hear the engine in the original video. Even at that it was a couple of very short clips off my digital camera. So I had to splice what I had to get it to the length I wanted.

However, as I said I will check it out for the sound of the engine, but it was quite a way away actually. That is why I added the music, to distract away from people talking to the driver of the car.


32 posted on 10/01/2010 9:20:55 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: ak267
at the beginning, three is guy that is really close to the plane....hmmmmmm,,,holing a remote contral????, at an angle were we can’t see it????

Exactly. You can see the pilot of the model clearly at the 20-25 second mark in the video.

This poster is trying to punk us into believing this is a full-size.

33 posted on 10/01/2010 9:21:00 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
You'd think that they would want to get photos of such an amazing feat of flying and yet, there is not a single photo. A search of Google for any airplanes hovering at the Chico airshow turns up nothing.

Exactly....and if full-size aerobatics at airshows has evolved to vertical hovers just above ground level alll us pilot types would read about it on the front page of the monthlies...

PS...one clever way to hide the drone of a big bore two stroke radio control airplane engine is to mask it with music in your video... and why would one want to drown out the strain of a full-size aircraft engine at high manifold pressure settings anyway? :o)

34 posted on 10/01/2010 9:23:55 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: OneVike

I could be wrong, but that appears to be one of the little Sukhoi 26/31 aerobatic units. They are quite capable and fascinating to watch little sport ships.

I’ve seen them before, though, I’ve never seen one perform that particular move.

Not sure if you’ve seen Sukhoi Su-27/35s performing the “Cobra” maneuver.......not quite the same as that in your video but very close to a large jet aircraft hanging motionless in the air. Too, the F-18 Super Hornet does a pretty darned good ultra-low speed vertical pose that’s an ear-splitting thrill to see.


35 posted on 10/01/2010 9:23:57 PM PDT by JoenTX (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: OneVike

I’ve seen pilots perform this maneuver at air shows in Southern California during the 1980’s and 1990’s.

Like you, I was impressed with the pilot’s abilities.....
and so was the crowd of 100,000 air show enthusiasts.

Real airplane, real pilot.....NOT a model.


36 posted on 10/01/2010 9:24:09 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: B4Ranch

Yea, someone else gave me a similar link. I am going over the video I have closely to see if I am wrong.

The best thing I can go by is the sound of the engine like Ol’ Dan Tucker asked me to.


37 posted on 10/01/2010 9:24:52 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: DBrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj6QLJn_o88

Short hang into a hammerhead. I’ve seen much longer hangs before the hammerhead stall, but can’t find one on Youtube.


38 posted on 10/01/2010 9:25:45 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: OneVike
He did a similar maneuver during the show but not as low to the ground. This was the next morning while I was waiting to talk to the driver of the jet car. It was off to the end of the runway a ways off.

Since you claim he was a performer, what was the pilot's name?

39 posted on 10/01/2010 9:25:58 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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No I’ve never seen it close to gl. Couple hundred, minimum, or you can’t kick out of it.


40 posted on 10/01/2010 9:27:45 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Niteflyr
"Could you post the pilot’s name so I can contact him? Besides I work in the industry and know most of them...."

Maybe you recognize him.

He looked like this:


41 posted on 10/01/2010 9:33:05 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Niteflyr
Exactly....and if full-size aerobatics at airshows has evolved to vertical hovers just above ground level alll us pilot types would read about it on the front page of the monthlies...

I've been flying full-size my entire life (50+ years) and models for the last 35 years.

Unlike the poster, I know the difference between a full-size and a model.

While a 40%-scale model can appear to the uninitiated like a full-size, the speed in which this one was reacting to the control and throttle input tells me this was a model. A large model, but a model, nonetheless.

He said he searched google, but couldn't find anything like this.

I typed in 'Hovering Airplane' into google and it returned 1,450,000 results

42 posted on 10/01/2010 9:33:28 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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I am not sure. I want to say either Bob Finer, or Kent Pietsch, but it could very well have been another pilot, I cannot say for sure.


43 posted on 10/01/2010 9:35:02 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: DBrow
No I’ve never seen it close to gl. Couple hundred, minimum, or you can’t kick out of it.

Some of the full size competition airplanes have just about the power to weight of a giant scale R/C...which borders on ridiculous. But like I said you are not likely to ever see this done at ground level because of safety concerns...I remember a guy named Shawn Tucker use to do a really low and really slow knife-edge in his highly modified and over-powered Pitts and we use to question the wisdom of that...no room for error...in that condition all the lift is provide by thrust and not flying surfaces...engine burps...you are taken to the cemetery....and possibly someone in the crowd will be going with you....

44 posted on 10/01/2010 9:38:24 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
He said he searched google, but couldn't find anything like this. I typed in 'Hovering Airplane' into google and it returned 1,450,000 results

No, I said I could not find anything that had anything about real planes doing this.

Remember, I was trying to back up what I am thinking is real. You found searches for something I was not looking for.
45 posted on 10/01/2010 9:38:46 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I’ve seen pilots perform this maneuver at air shows in Southern California during the 1980’s and 1990’s

Really? Name one full-size pilot who hovered on the prop (continuously, not a hammerhead or a harrier) in the 1980s or 1990s.

I went to every airshow in Southern California during the 1980s and 1990s and I never saw a full-size do this mainly because they didn't have the power.

Even giant-scale model airplanes (like this one) didn't have the power to do this until 2000 or so.

And most of the full-size got the idea to do this from the model flyers. The most notable recent example is the Pitts Python.

Now, Sean Tucker (no relation) was able to take his Pitts Challenger and fly at a very slow speed (55mph) and an extremely high AoA, but he still has not performed a stationary hover.

46 posted on 10/01/2010 9:41:19 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I've been flying full-size my entire life (50+ years) and models for the last 35 years. Unlike the poster, I know the difference between a full-size and a model.

Same here...40 years plus A&P...R/C pilot too.... If you click on my username you'll be greeted with a shot of me and the business end of my beloved Cessna 195...:o)

47 posted on 10/01/2010 9:43:30 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: OneVike

Loved it.... looks like fun.


48 posted on 10/01/2010 9:44:39 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: OneVike
No, I said I could not find anything that had anything about real planes doing this.

Well, guess what?

Remember, I was trying to back up what I am thinking is real. You found searches for something I was not looking for.

What does that tell you?

49 posted on 10/01/2010 9:46:01 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

While a 40%-scale model can appear to the uninitiated like a full-size, the speed in which this one was reacting to the control and throttle input tells me this was a model. A large model, but a model, nonetheless.
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I’m not in the industry...just a casual observer, but I thought this plane responded much too quickly, and jerky to be a real plane. I’ve been to several air shows, and even the smalles planes didn’t react the way this one did.

Not trying to dis the person who posted this, but something just looks odd the way this plane manuevers.

If I’m wrong I’ll be the first to admit it.


50 posted on 10/01/2010 9:46:28 PM PDT by Artcore
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