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Did Americans in 1776 have British accents? (Suprising answer)
Nick Patrick blog via ^ | 10/09/2010 | Nick Patrick

Posted on 10/09/2010 8:08:47 AM PDT by prisoner6

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To: miss marmelstein

Are you Miss MarmelSTEEN or MarmelSHTEIN?

101 posted on 10/09/2010 10:26:52 AM PDT by WilliamTells
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102 posted on 10/09/2010 10:26:58 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: prisoner6

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.

Proof that if you’re ugly and live in Spain, you’re also wet I guess.

103 posted on 10/09/2010 10:28:33 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: FrankR
Bravo! Well, except for the fact that your misspelled grammar...
104 posted on 10/09/2010 10:31:25 AM PDT by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: Earthdweller

Those are dipthongs ~

105 posted on 10/09/2010 10:31:31 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: muawiyah

That word’s always brought such an interesting picture to mind...

106 posted on 10/09/2010 10:33:38 AM PDT by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: oldsalt
The funny thing is that I can't think of an American actor who can do a convincing British accent...go figure.

American english is dominated by the schwa, as in "Whudduhyuh gunnuh do?" It's leveled out, dulled, compared to British english, and hence easier to fall into.

... just a theory.

107 posted on 10/09/2010 10:34:14 AM PDT by dr_lew
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108 posted on 10/09/2010 10:34:24 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: FourPeas

Of course I did, wanted to see if you were awake...that’s all.

109 posted on 10/09/2010 10:35:08 AM PDT by FrankR (You are only obligated to obama to the extent you accept his handouts.)
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To: white17x

Right! And someone please explain a gecko with a cockney like accent somehow lending credence to an insurance co. hustler. Makes me want to run the other way, crikey!

110 posted on 10/09/2010 10:36:09 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

C and cc always confuse me in Italian - I never know hard from soft, I always get it wrong. That being said, I stand by my castigation of Brits awful torturing of foreign words into English words. This is not about MISPRONUNCIATION. It is about strategically mangling the language. It’s pure British xenophobia.

111 posted on 10/09/2010 10:42:47 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: celtic gal

There’s a proud academic tradition of anglicizing the pronunciation of Latin words.

112 posted on 10/09/2010 10:47:04 AM PDT by firebrand
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Thanks prisoner6.
The typical English accent didn't develop until after the Revolutionary War, so Americans actually speak proper English. Here comes the science.
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113 posted on 10/09/2010 10:47:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: prisoner6
Just as modern Icelandic is much closer to Old Norse than modern Norwegian is.
114 posted on 10/09/2010 10:57:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Go Tampa Bay Rays! (And send Carl Crawford to Boston after you take the Series!))
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To: miss marmelstein
“Soldier letters home actually spoke with southern accents. Fascinating!!”

One of my favorite written accounts from the time is,

Even though the author was a Jewish kid living in North Carolina, with parents in New York, you can still get a sense of a Southern Accents in his written words.

Here are a few entries as a sample. The whole diary is great reading. Diaries like this were very rare from regular soldiers in the South.

December 3 - Katz and myself went to Petersburg to-day. We met with friends, and the consequence you can imagine. The headache we had next day was caused by too much whiskey.

December 21 - I went to the creek to wash my clothing and myself, and when I got back the water had frozen on my head so that I was obliged to hold my head by the fire so as to thaw it out. Wortheim’s eyes are so bad that he can hardly see. Sam Wilson broke his shoulder blade.

December 25. - There is nothing new up to to-day, Christmas. We moved our camp a little piece. Eigenbrun came to see us to-day from home, and brought me a splendid cake from Miss Clara Phile. This is certainly a hard Christmas for us - bitter cold, raining and snowing all the time, and we have no tents. The only shelter we have is a blanket spread over a few poles, and gather leaves and put them in that shelter for a bed.

115 posted on 10/09/2010 11:18:29 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: cripplecreek

“I think various American accents are converging to some extent. The southern accent seems to be merging with the midwestern accent in my area.”

I hate to say it but I have to agree with you, at least to a certain extent. In the big Texas cities, most of the kids are losing their regional accents and are sounding like someone from the upper midwest. For the most part, our small town and country kids are retaining theirs at least for now.
My little 5 and 6 yo grandsons have good Southern accents but we live just east of the Houston area in the far exurbs. My 7 yo granddaughter who lives in the city, not so much, but her accent is still not totally “Yankeefied”.

116 posted on 10/09/2010 11:23:01 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: JimRed

“And we have the recordings to prove it???”

Better. We have at least one person old enough to tell us in person, but don’t expect Helen Thomas to jump on FR to chime in.

117 posted on 10/09/2010 11:24:03 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: glorgau
Pirates must be rhotic speakers.

Whereas, southerners must not be. ;-)

118 posted on 10/09/2010 11:43:01 AM PDT by Allegra (Flank steak is very lean.)
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To: prisoner6

I watched a program a while back that I had found on a UK torrent site. It was about captured British soldiers during WWI. German doctors had recorded their voices in what was a study on culture and regional language differences. The producers of this program decided to try to locate relatives of some of these men and compare the language from then and now. Most relatives were still living in the area their WWI ancestor had been from. They played the recordings for the relatives, and asked them if they recognized the pronunciation of some of the words and phrases. In most cases, the pronunciation and use of those same words or phrases differed from the way the present-day family members said them. It was pretty interesting to see how much the language in their region had changed since WWI.

119 posted on 10/09/2010 11:53:22 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

The actors Timothy West and Prunella Scales (Mrs. Fawlty) were so appalled by young British actors not understanding how English was spoken in the 1930s (something you should know if you’re doing Noel Coward!), they created a recording facility where young actors can go and hear voices from the 1920s, 30s, etc. Perhaps even earlier so actors can do Shaw properly (although I realize he’s a dirty word here!) Sounds a little like what you are talking about.

120 posted on 10/09/2010 11:58:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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