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To: glorgau
Pirates aspired to be from the upper crust of England. A few even were.

So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa, which is still considered the center of the most proper Shakespearean English.

18 posted on 10/09/2010 8:27:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa

I thought it was Bawney Fwank??? .....in either case, Barney Frank would have been a bone smuggling, turd burgling Marxist no mater where he was born

22 posted on 10/09/2010 8:32:03 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vigilanteman

I think the article is a bit simple—I am sure the Boston accent was different than the Virginian. I think the colonials had there own brand of English and it was nothing like what we speak today—same goes for the English. Its all just speculation.


66 posted on 10/09/2010 9:35:50 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Vigilanteman

Shakespeare’s pronunciation would have been quite different from ours. At about the time of Shakespeare, the Great Vowel Shift occurred in a remarkably short time span (maybe 50 years) in which the pronunciation of vowels changed markedly. Hamlet’s soliliquy (sic) would have opened something like “Toe bay or not toe bay”.

The poet Alexander Pope famously wrote rhyming couplets, some of which no longer rhyme because the Great Vowel Shift was not quite over when he was doing whatever it is that poets do (or perhaps doe).

I occasionally present technical training on the Continent, where the Great Vowel Shift did not take place. I have to be careful when using vowels as mathematical symbols (for instance, I is understood to mean electric current). I say I and I think my students hear E.


80 posted on 10/09/2010 9:52:27 AM PDT by bagman
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To: Vigilanteman; glorgau
Pirates aspired to be from the upper crust of England. A few even were. ... So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa,...

Well Bawney might not be a pirate, but he is an "Admiral of the Windward Passage"*... /g (*obscure 17th century insult reference)

129 posted on 10/09/2010 12:24:54 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Vigilanteman; glorgau
Pirates aspired to be from the upper crust of England. A few even were. ... So Bawney Fronk would've been Barney Frank had he been born in Iowa,...

Well Bawney might not be a pirate, but he is an "Admiral of the Windward Passage"*... /g

*(obscure 18th century insult reference)

130 posted on 10/09/2010 12:25:57 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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