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BigBro Coming for Children of Oath Keepers?
World News Daily ^ | October 08, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 10/09/2010 10:24:53 AM PDT by George Varnum

DINGALINGALING Patriots!!!! Heads UP: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=213149 State snatches baby when dad accused of being 'Oath Keeper' 'You could be on 'the list' and then child protective services might come' Are they coming after the children of TEApers and A&M Members next? If the regime keeps this crap up I have a feeling somebody's gonna get hurt. Stay tuned!

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cheyenneirish; childprotective; oathkeepers
I know that sometimes we have to take WND with a little salt, but IMHO this bears serious watching.
1 posted on 10/09/2010 10:24:56 AM PDT by George Varnum
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To: George Varnum

“On his website, he confirmed the affidavit, along with other allegations, cites Irish’s interest in Oath Keepers as a reason to separate the newborn from her parents.

“Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. … But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts – they are merely allegations,” he said. “

Maybe it would be best to wait for the FACTS to come out. Apparently they are not strangers to CPS?


2 posted on 10/09/2010 10:30:22 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: George Varnum

You have to remember that, according to the state, children are really the property of the state and parents are just the licensed caretakers of the state’s property.


3 posted on 10/09/2010 10:30:34 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: George Varnum

Did you see this freakingly scary bit of brown-shirted recruiting from our DHS perhaps?

http://snapscouts.org/

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It’s up to you to keep America safe! If you see something suspicious, Snap it! If you see someone who doesn’t belong, Snap it! Not sure if someone or something is suspicious? Snap it anyway!

Play with your friends and family to see who can get the best prizes. Join the SnapScouts”

Is there any place on the planet that hasn’t become a fascist nightmare? I want to move.


4 posted on 10/09/2010 10:31:37 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: George Varnum

Did you see this freakingly scary bit of brown-shirted recruiting from our DHS perhaps?

http://snapscouts.org/

“Want to earn tons of cool badges and prizes while competing with you friends to see who can be the best American? Download the SnapScouts app for your Android phone (iPhone app coming soon) and get started patrolling your neighborhood.

It’s up to you to keep America safe! If you see something suspicious, Snap it! If you see someone who doesn’t belong, Snap it! Not sure if someone or something is suspicious? Snap it anyway!

Play with your friends and family to see who can get the best prizes. Join the SnapScouts”

Is there any place on the planet that hasn’t become a fascist nightmare? I want to move.


5 posted on 10/09/2010 10:31:50 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: George Varnum
Just waiting for the rest of the story...There is more to this.


6 posted on 10/09/2010 10:32:14 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: George Varnum

Trying to make an example of someone?


7 posted on 10/09/2010 10:33:34 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: George Varnum

This government is Fascist in everything but name only. To write laws which are purposely vague so that the administrators can interpret them any way they please is pure Hitlerism.


8 posted on 10/09/2010 10:37:15 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: OpusatFR

“Is there any place on the planet that hasn’t become a fascist nightmare? I want to move.”

Where?


9 posted on 10/09/2010 10:38:18 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Marty62
Maybe it would be best to wait for the FACTS to come out. Apparently they are not strangers to CPS?

Aw, this guy would have gotten along fine with CPS if he had his wife down at the local abortion mill.

10 posted on 10/09/2010 10:43:58 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

She is not his wife, girlfriend. And her SON is the one that made the claim.


11 posted on 10/09/2010 10:45:42 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Marty62

From the article:

“He told WND that other issues cited by authorities included an allegation of child abuse, which he assumed pertained to an incident weeks earlier in which one of his fiance’s older sons allegedly was struck by a babysitter. “

“He said both he and his fiancé had been cleared by authorities in that investigation.”

“On his website, he confirmed the affidavit, along with other allegations, cites Irish’s interest in Oath Keepers as a reason to separate the newborn from her parents.”

The article states: The Oath Keeper thing was why the newborn was separated from the parents. The boy was struck by a baby sitter, and the parents were cleared.

Yeah, child abuse. That’s believeable. Not only is every man a potential rapist and child molester, but the ones called Oath Keepers are exceptionally scary.

In this matriarchal country with our feminized (in)justice system, I’m dubious of claims men are abusers or molesters. It’s too easy to just make that claim and destroy a man’s life.


12 posted on 10/09/2010 10:56:14 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Actually, I think his problems with CPS have more to do with his history of domestic abuse and violence. Also, she’s not his wife.
according to an affidavit provided to Irish by the state Division for Children, Youth and Families, state officials took the child because of Irish’s long record of violence and abuse. According to the affidavit, a judge determined that Irish abused Taylor’s two other children. She is still married to the father of those children, though Taylor said yesterday that her husband has refused to accept her divorce petition for the past two years.

The affidavit also says that the police in Rochester report a “lengthy history of domestic violence” between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor’s parental rights over her two older children.

Taylor “has failed to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby,” the affidavit reads. “Mr. Irish has not acknowledged any responsibility to date and remains a significant safety risk to an infant in his care. . . . Without the intervention of the court, the infant will be at risk of harm.”

More details about it are here http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby


13 posted on 10/09/2010 10:56:42 AM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: OpusatFR
SnapScout and SnapScout Reports are produced and developed by MiniTru, LLC. Created in 2008 by George Parsons and Winston O'Brien, MiniTru LLC leverages modern technology to address the timeless threats to democracy and freedom.

Winston O'Brien? Mini-Tru? This is a joke, right?

14 posted on 10/09/2010 10:57:12 AM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: OpusatFR

Holy crap! Let the denunciations begin.


15 posted on 10/09/2010 11:01:29 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: MichiganConservative

“which he assumed”

Again, I suggest everyone WAIT for the facts.


16 posted on 10/09/2010 11:02:29 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: chae

As has been stated and I agree; There are usually at least two sides to any story, and we don’t know all of them yet.
What I’m saying here is this bears looking into and following up on, if for no other reason than his association with Oath Keepers was even MENTIONED in connection with child endangerment issues, whatever those might or might not be.

Even if this does not turn out to be blatant persecution, it certainly rises to the level of Propagana; libel by association.


17 posted on 10/09/2010 11:04:46 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Marty62

Yes, wait for the facts. Don’t just assume someone is guilty of child abuse because he was accused of it.

I have not dog in this story, other than to point out that feminism and government have destroyed our culture and society.


18 posted on 10/09/2010 11:05:22 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: chae

If true, there is no excusing or defending this guy. He should’nt be around children.


19 posted on 10/09/2010 11:09:19 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: George Varnum
Well, the other facts include the fact that a judge has found that Irish abused mom and kids. If he did, mom may have to choose between Irish and her kids.

Being a member of Oath Keepers is not recognized as a defense to child abuse charges.

20 posted on 10/09/2010 11:09:42 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: OpusatFR

No, I have looked everywhere and under every rock, so stay put for now. Don’t get scared, get smarter, watch.


21 posted on 10/09/2010 11:27:23 AM PDT by forest153 ("There's a snake in my boot!")
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To: MichiganConservative

BINGO!!!!


22 posted on 10/09/2010 11:31:57 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Marty62
She is not his wife, girlfriend. And her SON is the one that made the claim.

OK,...Aw, this guy would have gotten along fine with CPS if he had his girlfriend down at the local abortion mill.

As long as we are concerned about the marriage status, we should mention the woman's husband, who is trying to prevent her from divorcing him, and the 2 year old son who can be easily manipulated by someone with motive.

I also notice that there is no list of Mr Irish's criminal CONVICTIONS, just his extensive HISTORY of domestic violence. That would be a history of ACCUSATIONS, rather than convictions.

The fact still stands that CPS would have no problem at all if Irish had delivered his girlfriend to the local abortion mill.

23 posted on 10/09/2010 11:33:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: chae
“lengthy history of domestic violence” between Taylor and Irish, and that she accused him of choking and hitting her on more than one occasion. According to the document, Irish failed to complete a domestic violence course as ordered by the state, and that a hearing was held last month to terminate Taylor’s parental rights over her two older children.

That is code for, every Saturday night 911 gets a call, and all the local PD know this address without looking it up.

I know that sounds jaded, but I also would bet if they both stopped drinking, that their abuse issues would cease.

24 posted on 10/09/2010 11:43:53 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MichiganConservative
George, you have been doing some extra reading on the side haven't you?

Corporate speaking it's actually a contract between parents and the state. But wait, oops, the teensy weensy fine print—oh, don't pay that any mind....the Federal Government is a third party.

25 posted on 10/09/2010 11:44:22 AM PDT by forest153 ("There's a snake in my boot!")
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To: Navy Patriot
no list of Mr Irish's criminal CONVICTIONS, just his extensive HISTORY of domestic violence.

That means his fiance calls 911 every time he hits her, or the neighbors call when they hear the screaming, then she won't press charges. You are left with police reports and very little way to prosecute, until she ends up in the morgue.

26 posted on 10/09/2010 11:49:28 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MichiganConservative
Sorry about the ‘George’ there. I had started to write a note to George but went to write to you and I forgot to erase the ‘George’. Sorry, but MichiganConservative gets the gold star today!
27 posted on 10/09/2010 11:52:32 AM PDT by forest153 ("There's a snake in my boot!")
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To: chae

There is always backstory...and this couple violent relationship seems lengthy (and with her other children also involved). The Oath Keepers, I would guess, were brought to the CYS types by Mr. Irish himself...and then (lightbulb time) the idea was hatched that this has nothing to do with a serial pattern of violence; substance abuse; alcoholism...but everything to do with his ‘associations.’

Sorry. Not buying it. The fact that twenty fools (who admit they do not know the couple personally) showed up to protest, asap, at the hospital, tells me that Irish is playing the group for all their worth.


28 posted on 10/09/2010 11:54:47 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Glinda sez, 'click your heels three times and say, "there is no place like November...")
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To: chae
Actually, I think his problems with CPS have more to do with his history of domestic abuse and violence.

Imagine that.

I figured there were a few pertinent details left out of the original story.


29 posted on 10/09/2010 11:58:26 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: chae; mnehring
Ping...Now we are getting closer to the real story. Thanks chae.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby


30 posted on 10/09/2010 12:05:16 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Navy Patriot

Was Abortion an issue in this matter? If not why are you using it?


31 posted on 10/09/2010 12:11:48 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: chae
Actually, I think his problems with CPS have more to do with his history of domestic abuse and violence.

My comment was regarding CPS far more than support of Mr. Irish.

However, I need to point out that from the information I can find on the web, Mr Irish has not been convicted of anything. It appears that he has been named in a civil case in family court and has been ordered to attend a "domestic violence course" and did not do so.

It is likely this is the route CPS chose because they knew they could not get a criminal conviction from a jury, but a leftist judge could consider anything as "evidence" to hold Ms. Taylor's 2 existing children. Interesting, punish Ms. Taylor, because they can't control Mr Irish,

I probably have a less benevolent view of CPS, the leftist courts and the Feminazi control of family courts than you, but it comes from close observation, and the belief that if the cops don't even bother to try to get something past a jury of his peers, they got nuthin' from the start. Now it becomes obvious why they punish Ms. Taylor

32 posted on 10/09/2010 12:14:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

A lot of times the problem with prosecution is not with the police, but with the victim (in this case the mother) who refuses to press charges. Can we say codependent?

Scenario, cops come, at her 911 call; he cools down; he is told to leave. He does; then comes back. Repeat this multiple times, and you have the pattern. They cannot prosecute unless she presses charges.


33 posted on 10/09/2010 12:29:12 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Glinda sez, 'click your heels three times and say, "there is no place like November...")
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To: USNBandit
That means his fiance calls 911 every time he hits her, or the neighbors call when they hear the screaming, then she won't press charges.

I know exactly what it means, and you have made the assumption that there was violence. Ms. Taylor may refuse to press charges because she lied, she definitely has issues. Police will always look for physical evidence, and in domestic violence cases, they can collect it without cooperation. In many jurisdictions, with the existence of physical evidence, they must make an arrest. Additionally DV perps are likely to already have a record for violence, so I still wonder why the government needed to use character assassination on Mr Irish. Where is his record of violence outside this situation?

34 posted on 10/09/2010 12:40:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Actually, unless the child ends up dead or maimed, it’s pretty difficult to get ANY prosecutor to bring charges of child abuse to a criminal court. DFS in Missouri leaves the disposition of cases involving substantiated abuse (not alleged, but substantiated) to the discretion of family court. Family court always is by a judge, not a jury.
Two kids give allegations of abuse against mom’s boyfriend. Boyfriend has a history of domestic violence, he has beaten on and choked mom on more than one occasion. Mom won’t protect her kids from the live-in boyfriend. DFS removes kids as a last resort. I’d bet that there were other options that were exhausted prior to removal of the two children. The baby was removed from this family because boyfriend has a history of violence and mom has a history of choosing to allow boyfriend to beat her and her kids.
I have extensve experience with DFS and Child Protective Services. Contrary to what some people think, the current trend in DFS is re-unification. Termination of rights is done as a last resort. Also, I’ve seen what a guy with a history of violence can do to an infant in seconds. And I’ve also seen a mom say “If my boyfriend really wanted to hurt my daughter, he wouldn’t have missed stabbing her with that knife”. Unless you are ok with boyfriends being allowed to use kids as punching bags with mom’s tacit approval, DFS was in the right here.


35 posted on 10/09/2010 12:47:18 PM PDT by chae (A wooden stake for Edward, a silver axe for Jacob, and then Buffy went home)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

Sometimes it happens that way, but (please read post #34) sometimes there is no violence. Yelling and noise don’t prove violence.


36 posted on 10/09/2010 12:50:41 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: chae
I have extensive experience with DFS and Child Protective Services. Contrary to what some people think, the current trend in DFS is re-unification.

I, also, have extensive experience with DFS and Child Protective Services, ending about 15 years ago and have come to the exact opposite conclusions regarding California and Oregon.

37 posted on 10/09/2010 1:07:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Here’s just one example of what we’ve been putting up with here in Maine for years:

http://www.asmainegoes.com/COMSENS_1A.pdf

A few others:

http://commonsenseindependent.com/


38 posted on 10/09/2010 5:18:25 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: George Varnum
Yeah, I'm aware of Logan's case and most of the others, and I enjoy referencing the McMartin Preschool case.

Those making ludicrous assertions that investigators, prosecutors, and judges are truthful, unbiased protectors of family integrity, never act for personal political gain, and only reluctantly act when they have a dead kid, should be required to justify the allegations and actions of the state in the McMartin case.

39 posted on 10/09/2010 6:16:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: OpusatFR

Seems SnapScouts might be a parody: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/05/snapscouts.html


40 posted on 10/09/2010 8:08:18 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: Navy Patriot

I looked that case up just for hoots, and OY!; it IS spooky!

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/mcmartinpreschoolrevisited1996.shtml

That case could be the basis of a horror movie.
Some people would probably pay to see such a “thriller”.
Personally, I couldn’t wait to miss it!


41 posted on 10/09/2010 8:16:05 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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