http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby
Posted on 10/09/2010 10:24:53 AM PDT by George Varnum
DINGALINGALING Patriots!!!! Heads UP: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=213149 State snatches baby when dad accused of being 'Oath Keeper' 'You could be on 'the list' and then child protective services might come' Are they coming after the children of TEApers and A&M Members next? If the regime keeps this crap up I have a feeling somebody's gonna get hurt. Stay tuned!
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
No, I have looked everywhere and under every rock, so stay put for now. Don’t get scared, get smarter, watch.
BINGO!!!!
OK,...Aw, this guy would have gotten along fine with CPS if he had his girlfriend down at the local abortion mill.
As long as we are concerned about the marriage status, we should mention the woman's husband, who is trying to prevent her from divorcing him, and the 2 year old son who can be easily manipulated by someone with motive.
I also notice that there is no list of Mr Irish's criminal CONVICTIONS, just his extensive HISTORY of domestic violence. That would be a history of ACCUSATIONS, rather than convictions.
The fact still stands that CPS would have no problem at all if Irish had delivered his girlfriend to the local abortion mill.
That is code for, every Saturday night 911 gets a call, and all the local PD know this address without looking it up.
I know that sounds jaded, but I also would bet if they both stopped drinking, that their abuse issues would cease.
Corporate speaking it's actually a contract between parents and the state. But wait, oops, the teensy weensy fine print—oh, don't pay that any mind....the Federal Government is a third party.
That means his fiance calls 911 every time he hits her, or the neighbors call when they hear the screaming, then she won't press charges. You are left with police reports and very little way to prosecute, until she ends up in the morgue.
There is always backstory...and this couple violent relationship seems lengthy (and with her other children also involved). The Oath Keepers, I would guess, were brought to the CYS types by Mr. Irish himself...and then (lightbulb time) the idea was hatched that this has nothing to do with a serial pattern of violence; substance abuse; alcoholism...but everything to do with his ‘associations.’
Sorry. Not buying it. The fact that twenty fools (who admit they do not know the couple personally) showed up to protest, asap, at the hospital, tells me that Irish is playing the group for all their worth.
Imagine that.
I figured there were a few pertinent details left out of the original story.
(And, oh yeah, I also have a long history of domestic violence...)
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby
Was Abortion an issue in this matter? If not why are you using it?
My comment was regarding CPS far more than support of Mr. Irish.
However, I need to point out that from the information I can find on the web, Mr Irish has not been convicted of anything. It appears that he has been named in a civil case in family court and has been ordered to attend a "domestic violence course" and did not do so.
It is likely this is the route CPS chose because they knew they could not get a criminal conviction from a jury, but a leftist judge could consider anything as "evidence" to hold Ms. Taylor's 2 existing children. Interesting, punish Ms. Taylor, because they can't control Mr Irish,
I probably have a less benevolent view of CPS, the leftist courts and the Feminazi control of family courts than you, but it comes from close observation, and the belief that if the cops don't even bother to try to get something past a jury of his peers, they got nuthin' from the start. Now it becomes obvious why they punish Ms. Taylor
A lot of times the problem with prosecution is not with the police, but with the victim (in this case the mother) who refuses to press charges. Can we say codependent?
Scenario, cops come, at her 911 call; he cools down; he is told to leave. He does; then comes back. Repeat this multiple times, and you have the pattern. They cannot prosecute unless she presses charges.
I know exactly what it means, and you have made the assumption that there was violence. Ms. Taylor may refuse to press charges because she lied, she definitely has issues. Police will always look for physical evidence, and in domestic violence cases, they can collect it without cooperation. In many jurisdictions, with the existence of physical evidence, they must make an arrest. Additionally DV perps are likely to already have a record for violence, so I still wonder why the government needed to use character assassination on Mr Irish. Where is his record of violence outside this situation?
Actually, unless the child ends up dead or maimed, it’s pretty difficult to get ANY prosecutor to bring charges of child abuse to a criminal court. DFS in Missouri leaves the disposition of cases involving substantiated abuse (not alleged, but substantiated) to the discretion of family court. Family court always is by a judge, not a jury.
Two kids give allegations of abuse against mom’s boyfriend. Boyfriend has a history of domestic violence, he has beaten on and choked mom on more than one occasion. Mom won’t protect her kids from the live-in boyfriend. DFS removes kids as a last resort. I’d bet that there were other options that were exhausted prior to removal of the two children. The baby was removed from this family because boyfriend has a history of violence and mom has a history of choosing to allow boyfriend to beat her and her kids.
I have extensve experience with DFS and Child Protective Services. Contrary to what some people think, the current trend in DFS is re-unification. Termination of rights is done as a last resort. Also, I’ve seen what a guy with a history of violence can do to an infant in seconds. And I’ve also seen a mom say “If my boyfriend really wanted to hurt my daughter, he wouldn’t have missed stabbing her with that knife”. Unless you are ok with boyfriends being allowed to use kids as punching bags with mom’s tacit approval, DFS was in the right here.
Sometimes it happens that way, but (please read post #34) sometimes there is no violence. Yelling and noise don’t prove violence.
I, also, have extensive experience with DFS and Child Protective Services, ending about 15 years ago and have come to the exact opposite conclusions regarding California and Oregon.
Here’s just one example of what we’ve been putting up with here in Maine for years:
http://www.asmainegoes.com/COMSENS_1A.pdf
A few others:
http://commonsenseindependent.com/
Those making ludicrous assertions that investigators, prosecutors, and judges are truthful, unbiased protectors of family integrity, never act for personal political gain, and only reluctantly act when they have a dead kid, should be required to justify the allegations and actions of the state in the McMartin case.
Seems SnapScouts might be a parody: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/05/snapscouts.html
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