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The AK-47: Questions About the Most Important Weapon Ever (Some revisionist history)
Popular Mechanics ^ | October 12, 2010 | Erin McCarthy

Posted on 10/13/2010 10:47:17 AM PDT by C19fan

In his new book, The Gun: The AK-47 and the Evolution of War, out Oct. 12, New York Times reporter C.J. Chivers traces the origins of modern assault rifles—particularly Avtomat Kalashnikov 47, or the AK-47—and analyzes how they've changed warfare. Popular Mechanics spoke to the author about how and why the AK-47 was developed and why it has had even more of an impact than nuclear weapons.

(Excerpt) Read more at popularmechanics.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ak; arms; banglist; kalashnikov; russia
Interesting about debunking some of the myths surrounding the origins of the weapon.
1 posted on 10/13/2010 10:47:25 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The AK-47 is nothing more than a Soviet later version of the Nazi German Sturmgewehr 44. The Soviets were NEVER good at original ideas BUT they were fabulous copiers(Tu-4 Bull = B-29).


2 posted on 10/13/2010 10:55:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

I lost an AK a long time ago and loved it. Great weapon.


3 posted on 10/13/2010 10:57:32 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

Buy another one!


4 posted on 10/13/2010 11:00:24 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Did you know that first ever selective fire rifle came out of Mexico?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n_(rifle)


5 posted on 10/13/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Boating accident? There have been a lot of those.


6 posted on 10/13/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: C19fan

Neat article.


7 posted on 10/13/2010 11:04:51 AM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: humblegunner

Keyword ‘banglist’ added.


8 posted on 10/13/2010 11:06:41 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: C19fan

9 posted on 10/13/2010 11:08:07 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: C19fan
I hate the AK.

I know it's amazingly reliable, blah blah blah, but I hate how it looks, feels, and shoots. Everything.

Give me an FN-FAL, M1A, or even my little pea-shooting AR15 M4 any day.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

10 posted on 10/13/2010 11:09:09 AM PDT by The Comedian (Keep talking while I reload...)
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To: C19fan

If this book doesn’t admit that Kalashnikov ripped off Hugo Schmeisser’s StG44, then it’s not worth reading. BTW, Schmeisser was held captive in the USSR and forced to work in the same arms factory where Kalashnikov supposedly “invented” the AK.


11 posted on 10/13/2010 11:51:53 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: C19fan

Notice how the ignorant reporter talked of comparing the M-16 to the AK during Vietnam? The NVA and VC didn’t have AK’s most of the time. They had a lot of SKSs and Mosin Nogants. At least the Chinese versions of them...


12 posted on 10/13/2010 11:54:46 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: ozzymandus
"Schmeisser was held captive in the USSR and forced to work in the same arms factory where Kalashnikov supposedly “invented” the AK."

In the article, the author talks about that.
13 posted on 10/13/2010 11:55:50 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: The Comedian

I got rid of an AK for an M4 and an M4 version in 7.62. I love my black rifles... I hated the AK... and it was a Russian version. I liked the money it brought when I sold it.

LLS


14 posted on 10/13/2010 12:02:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: C19fan

The most important weapon EVER??!! Uh huh. Well the LONG BOW was definitive in winning battles for England for SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS. Perhaps someone should tell the slightly UNDER-EDUCATED author.


15 posted on 10/13/2010 12:23:05 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: ozzymandus

For all the StG44 theory fans just check SVT-38 semi-auto sniper rifle. AK has more in common with that than it is with StG44 and SVT came out years before StG or any comparable German rifle.


16 posted on 10/13/2010 12:41:11 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: LibLieSlayer
I got rid of an AK for an M4 and an M4 version in 7.62.

Now *that's* a fun duo!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

17 posted on 10/13/2010 12:52:38 PM PDT by The Comedian (Keep talking while I reload...)
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To: The Comedian

Absolutely love both!

LLS


18 posted on 10/13/2010 12:54:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: The Comedian
I hate the AK. I know it's amazingly reliable, blah blah blah, but I hate how it looks, feels, and shoots. Everything. Give me an FN-FAL, M1A, or even my little pea-shooting AR15 M4 any day.

Sometime try a Finnish Rk95.


19 posted on 10/13/2010 1:06:49 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

“The most important weapon EVER??!! Uh huh. Well the LONG BOW was definitive in winning battles for England for SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS. Perhaps someone should tell the slightly UNDER-EDUCATED author.”

Not to mention the flintlock musket, the Mauser rifle, etc. I think they made nearly as many Mausers or Mauser-type rifles and copies as there are AK variants.


20 posted on 10/13/2010 1:28:12 PM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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To: C19fan

Great piece,,,

If I could only have one gun to defend myself with it

would have to be the AK...


21 posted on 10/13/2010 1:33:38 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: C19fan

I love my AKs.


22 posted on 10/13/2010 3:08:28 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: C19fan

I would not be surprised if the availability of the AK and SKS on the US market was the cause of much “assault rifle” anxiety on the part of the ruling class. Most people would not buy an AR-15 on a whim, as it was expensive. But people WOULD buy a $99 SKS or cheap AK, along with some ammo, and stick it in the attic “just in case”.


23 posted on 10/13/2010 3:15:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: US Navy Vet

Buy an AK-74


24 posted on 10/13/2010 3:32:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2
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To: C19fan
I think this is the most original incite in the interview.

One common misperception is that the AK-47 is reliable and effective, therefore it is abundant. This is not really the case. The weapon's superabundance, its near ubiquity, is related less to its performance than to the facts of its manufacture. Once it was designated a standard Eastern Bloc arm, it was assembled and stockpiled in planned economies whether anyone paid for or wanted the rifles or not. This led to an uncountable accumulation of the weapons. And once the weapons existed, they moved. Had the weapon not been hooked up to the unending output of the planned economy, it would have been a much less significant device. If it had been invented in Liechtenstein, you might have never even heard of it.

With all of the info I have absorbed about the AK in the many years I have been reading about the rifle I have never related the architecture of the Soviet economy to the ubiquitous nature of the AK in the world.

Sure the soviets wanted to export communism to the world but exporting revolution perhaps was as much a byproduct of having tons of these AK sitting around as it was politics?

I don’t really believe that but it is an interesting thought and might in a small way be true.

25 posted on 10/13/2010 8:17:20 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: US Navy Vet

While they look somewhat alike from the outside the actual mechanism that operate within the firearm are in fact very different. The AK-47 series uses a rotating bolt while the STG-44 uses a early form of delayed blow back that later was used in the Cetme of Spain & the G-3 rifle. Form follows function, also the AK-47 series of weapon is a handy carbine good from bad breath range to around 250 yards. 8^)


26 posted on 10/14/2010 8:40:02 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: US Navy Vet

While they look somewhat alike from the outside the actual mechanism that operate within the firearm are in fact very different. The AK-47 series uses a rotating bolt while the STG-44 uses a early form of delayed blow back that later was used in the Cetme of Spain & the G-3 rifle. Form follows function, also the AK-47 series of weapon is a handy carbine good from bad breath range to around 250 yards. 8^)


27 posted on 10/14/2010 8:40:11 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner; US Navy Vet

With all due respect, N, you may be confusing the Stg44 with the Stg45. The Stg45 was the delayed blowback rifle. The Stg44 was gas operated.


28 posted on 11/30/2010 3:35:06 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare-Obamacare lite.)
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To: ozzymandus; US Navy Vet

The AK was inspired by the Stg, definetly. However, they were still two different designs, with the AK more influenced by AMERICAN weaponry. Pete Kekkonen stated of the relationship between the two rifles:

“Back to the question re German influence on AK-47: There are some resemblances between AK and StG 44, but they are just superficial similarities. M. T. KALASHNIKOV copied details of many American (not German) firearms, including the breech bolt of U.S. M1 Carbine, a safety/selector lever from REMINGTON Model 8 hunting rifle and principle of trigger mechanism from BROWNING AUTO-5 shotgun, but many applications of these ideas are modified or improved by Kalashnikov himself and many major innovations are his designs, without known predecessors...

Actions of German assault rifle (with a tilting breech bolt) and that of AK-47 (with a rotating bolt) are, especially, quite different. So are also cocking and safety arrangements.”

>BTW, Schmeisser was held captive in the USSR and forced to work in the same arms factory where Kalashnikov supposedly “invented” the AK.

And yet, there’s no Schmeisser characteristics in the AK-47. From what I heard, there certainly were in some of the earlier prototypes.


29 posted on 11/30/2010 3:46:33 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Romneycare-Obamacare lite.)
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To: ozzymandus

I recently found out that while Schmeisser was indeed in Izhevsky, Kalasahnikov designed the AK in Kovrov.


30 posted on 03/13/2011 3:05:45 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Obama - Osama - the only difference is "BS".)
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