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Pontiac, maker of muscle cars, ends after 84 years
Yahoo/AP ^ | 10-31-10 | TOM KRISHER

Posted on 11/01/2010 6:44:47 AM PDT by kingattax

DETROIT – Pontiac, whose muscle cars drag-raced down boulevards, parked at drive-ins and roared across movie screens, is going out of business on Sunday.

The 84-year-old brand, moribund since General Motors decided to kill it last year as it collapsed into bankruptcy, had been in decline for years. It was undone by a combination of poor corporate strategy and changing driver tastes. On Oct. 31, GM's agreements with Pontiac dealers expire.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automotive; gm; governmentmotors; obamanomics; pontiac
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1 posted on 11/01/2010 6:44:49 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

One down, about five more to go...


2 posted on 11/01/2010 6:47:17 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth.)
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To: kingattax

The Goat


3 posted on 11/01/2010 6:47:48 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: al baby

GM = Junk


4 posted on 11/01/2010 6:49:39 AM PDT by Wooly
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To: kingattax

Many a Pontiac have seen the tail lights of my Dodge.....

Not much muscle in that brand of “muscle”car..


5 posted on 11/01/2010 6:51:01 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: kingattax
Amazing what happens to a company when it doesn't make products that people want to buy... they get a taxpayer bailout.

I wish I could sell "my" GM and Chrysler stock.

6 posted on 11/01/2010 6:53:41 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: al baby

I believe Pontiac used one block casting for all their V8’s
326 to 455 cid, unlike Chevy & Ford. Sure brings back some memories of my motorhead days of the 1970’s.


7 posted on 11/01/2010 6:54:19 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet he invented. Oh, the irony!)
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To: kingattax

If I were in charge of GM, I’d keep Chevy, Cadillac, dump GMC, Buick............ the unions and Obama.


8 posted on 11/01/2010 6:54:50 AM PDT by umgud (Wear your Border Patrol hat to the polls)
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To: kingattax

Unions killed it.


9 posted on 11/01/2010 6:54:52 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: kingattax

I remember when Pontiac was quite the cat’s meow, back in the early sixties.
It was the favorite of rich kids that had their own car.


10 posted on 11/01/2010 6:55:50 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: kingattax
I can't understand why Pontiac folded.... Photobucket
11 posted on 11/01/2010 6:56:07 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: kingattax

Pontiac, whose muscle cars drag-raced down boulevards Honda and Toyota drivers wave as they pass.


12 posted on 11/01/2010 6:56:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: kingattax

“It was undone by a combination of poor corporate strategy and changing driver tastes”


It was undone by the U.S. Government after they took a majority share of GM. The UAW bleeding the company dry had nothing to do with it, of course.


13 posted on 11/01/2010 6:56:52 AM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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To: kingattax

14 posted on 11/01/2010 6:57:19 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: al baby
Photobucket

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15 posted on 11/01/2010 6:58:20 AM PDT by skimask
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To: kingattax
When I was growing up an older guy down the street bought a ‘64 GTO. A completely un-PC classic. Solid lifter cam, 389 with three two barrels, Hurst shifter - all factory. He treated it like a baby. Five years later he got married and offered to sell it to me for $900. By then there were monsters like 375hp/396 Cameros around I wasn't interested.

Famous mistake #103.

16 posted on 11/01/2010 7:06:34 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: kingattax

GTO was an awesome ride back in my day. We can spin it like this:

Commie Rat thug unions and politicians killed a great brand, a great traditions, and a great American company.


17 posted on 11/01/2010 7:13:01 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Not much muscle in that brand of “muscle”car..

Sadly, that's true, beginning around 1974-5, when the stupid EPA crap all started. My first car was a Pontiac and one of the last of the old breed: '73 Grand Am with a 455ci V8 topped with a 4-bbl. Holly carb. It wasn't quite as fast as the Firebird but it was fast enough to get me in trouble with the local constabulary. Several times.

It also had nice front bucket seats, which I remember quite specifically because they could be adjusted nearly all the way down, which came in rather handy on more than one occasion... ;-)

18 posted on 11/01/2010 7:14:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

In the apartment complex I lived in back in the 70s, there was a little old gray-haired lady who had a ‘64 GTO. It was an automatic, though.


19 posted on 11/01/2010 7:15:25 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: kingattax

Government Motors is just following Fords lead because they iced the Mercury.


20 posted on 11/01/2010 7:23:58 AM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: kingattax

Patriots do not buy GM products...


21 posted on 11/01/2010 7:29:14 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: kingattax
Once upon a time ... my brother owned the "GOAT" and the SS was mine.
Those really were fun times.


22 posted on 11/01/2010 7:30:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: I cannot think of a name
When I was growing up an older guy down the street bought a ‘64 GTO....

My older brother had a '69, lifted in back with 12" slicks.

He would do foot high wheelies when he popped the clutch.

Needless to say, he spent most of his non-wheely doing time under the goat working on the transmission.

23 posted on 11/01/2010 7:45:16 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: skimask

Want


24 posted on 11/01/2010 7:46:20 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Fresh Wind

“It was an automatic, though.”

Automatic or standard - either one would probably bring a couple of hundred grand today.

Just another of my poor decisions back then.

I guess that’s why they call it “youth.”


25 posted on 11/01/2010 7:47:17 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: andy58-in-nh
Not much “muscle” were in muscle cars after the 71 model year....My Dodge is of the class of 69...426 Hemi, 4spd.. I educated more then one Pontiac owner/driver in the ways of Mopar..As well as liberated them from their cash.
26 posted on 11/01/2010 7:51:44 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Fresh Wind
It was an automatic, though.

That's kinda like complaining about cereal changing the color of your milk...

27 posted on 11/01/2010 7:52:19 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: AlexW
My first car was bought used in 1972 for less than a grand. It was a 1970 Pontiac le Mans GTO. It was a semi-muscle car, a mid sized V-8 with dual carbs and an automatic transmission.

It would go much faster than I felt safe going. But it also had the punch to get me out of trouble on the interstate more than once. Plus, it was rock stable as I accelerated - something than every car that I could afford since then have lacked.

I should have kept the car when I went back to SEA for a year in ‘75. If I could have seen the future, 12 months turned into 7, it would have been well worth it to put it up on blocks and keep it.

But then, if I had accurate foresight, I would have bought gold jewelery, baht chains, buy the pound when gold was less than $ 40 an ounce too.

28 posted on 11/01/2010 8:02:23 AM PDT by Nip
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I saw a ‘69 Charger on the road a few days ago - it still looked very cool with that distinctive front grille. Made me feel old to see that it had one of those damned “antique” license plates though. ;-)


29 posted on 11/01/2010 8:04:12 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: kingattax

Do you remember the 2+2? Awesome machine..and with a much bigger back seat..(g) My roomie in college had one..and in 63 we drove it down to New Orleans from NY for Mardi Gras..talked our way out of 3 tickets down south...


30 posted on 11/01/2010 8:33:24 AM PDT by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Yeah, I tried to get my mom to buy a ‘69 Charger. She actually went to the dealership to ask about it, and the salesman talked her out of it. He asked her what was going on, and she told him it was her son’s idea. That ended it. She said the reason was she couldn’t put grocery bags on the bucket seat.

Damn!


31 posted on 11/01/2010 8:35:10 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (King: "I have a dream"...Sharpton: "I want a check")
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To: kingattax


It was undone by a combination of poor corporate strategy and changing driver tastes.

And shoddy manufacturing practices.
But if your line workers are boozing and doping on their lunch hours...
no shock there.


32 posted on 11/01/2010 8:35:13 AM PDT by VOA
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I saw a ‘69 Charger on the road a few days ago - it still looked very
cool with that distinctive front grille.

Loved the black Charger driven by “Frank Booth” (the late Dennis Hopper)
in the movie “Blue Velvet”.

If I ever inherit a ton of money...I’m getting one no matter the price.
Even if I just park it in my drive-way.


33 posted on 11/01/2010 8:38:32 AM PDT by VOA
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Yeah, I had a ‘69 Chager RT 440 4-speed. With a few changes- Edelbrock hi rise intake, Holley double pumper carbs, it was quite a ride!


34 posted on 11/01/2010 8:42:19 AM PDT by jfkcv67bt
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To: Fresh Wind

It was even worse in the early ‘70’s when the gas crunch hit. There was more serious iron for sale than you could shake a stick at. Five grand back then could have made you a millionaire today! Not to mention the owner of some really cool cars.

If life only came with a crystal ball!


35 posted on 11/01/2010 8:43:39 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: jfkcv67bt

OOPS- I meant Charger!


36 posted on 11/01/2010 8:44:10 AM PDT by jfkcv67bt
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To: Fresh Wind

Was this in Pasadena? Her neighbor might have driven a ‘64 Dodge Polara Super Stock.


37 posted on 11/01/2010 9:15:05 AM PDT by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

If you were to take that ‘73 455 and stick it in a Firebird, say a ‘76 T/A, you’d have a lot more car than any 18 year old really needs. The ‘76 HEI is compatible, which is nice. So are the rear disk brakes from an ‘80 if you swap the proportioning valve.


38 posted on 11/01/2010 9:23:17 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Darth Reardon

I’d be worried about putting that big a block into a chassis with the dimensions of the old Firebird; I already had weight-distribution issues in the GA Coupe, to the extent that I used to ride around with a couple of 80 lb. sacks of cement mix in the trunk. LOL.


39 posted on 11/01/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The 455 and the 400 that was in there before I blew it up were the same big block (IIRC, the only difference was a longer stroke on the 455). Pontiac used the same big block even for some of the smaller engines where others would use a small block.


40 posted on 11/01/2010 9:49:19 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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I used to ride around with a couple of 80 lb. sacks of cement mix in the trunk

I thought those were factory standards.

41 posted on 11/01/2010 9:53:24 AM PDT by Roccus (Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati)
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I thought those were factory standards.

LOL. That reminded me: I knew a couple of guys from the north Bronx that claimed to do the same thing with their rides - only I was never quite sure they were actually using cement, or if it was cement, what it was intended to be used for. Great guys to go drinking with, but I was careful not to ask too many questions of them...

42 posted on 11/01/2010 10:09:01 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: kingattax

I had an ‘84 Firebird when I was in highschool. I don’t claim to know a thing about cars. All I can tell you is that I absolutely LOVED driving that car. 20 years and 5 kids later, I’m now in a great big conversion van. Oh, how I miss that Firebird!!! :o)


43 posted on 11/01/2010 10:13:26 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Darth Reardon

I think you’re right - it was the same plant, just with a longer stroke relative to the bore size, and produced about 500 ft./lbs. of torque as a result.


44 posted on 11/01/2010 10:22:58 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

White Castle on Bruckner?


45 posted on 11/01/2010 10:38:10 AM PDT by Roccus (Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati)
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To: kingattax

My dad bought a new 1969 Pontiac Le Mans. It was in the shop more than any other car that he ever had.


46 posted on 11/01/2010 10:41:58 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Roccus

I do miss White Castle - we don’t have them here in New Hampshire. And back in the time I lived in NY, it was a hot spot for late evening parking lot “goings-on”. But if you know the area, my favorite places were Umberto’s and Mario’s, both on Arthur Avenue.


47 posted on 11/01/2010 10:55:31 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I’ve had 5 F-Body’s: 70, 78, 80, 88 and 94.

The 80 was a Z-28, all others were Birds. My favorite was the 1970 Formula 400, RamAir III, Muncie M-22 “Rock Crusher” 4spd. Sucker cooked!!

God I miss that car. You could watch the gas gauge move though. LOL. Course, gas was cheap back then. But watching the Speedo move, made it all worth it.

Still have the 94. I figure since they don’t make Birds anymore, let alone Pontiacs, I might hang on to it for a while.


48 posted on 11/01/2010 11:12:16 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: andy58-in-nh

Arthur Ave... I shouldda guessed.
I was in Queens. The WC at 55Ave and Queens Blvd was the place where many races were “set up”. Connecting Hwy was the usual strip. Crossbay Blvd. races were arranged at the Bow-Wow.


49 posted on 11/01/2010 11:13:49 AM PDT by Roccus (Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati)
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To: AFreeBird

Sadly, I can recall when gasoline was 32 cents a gallon and it didn’t hurt so much to fill the tank again on Saturday morning after cruising around all Friday night. That Ram Air engine was a monster. A guy I knew had one in high school (I think it was a ‘70, but that was a long time ago). I do still remember the incredible sound it made when he popped the clutch, slammed that long-throw Hurst lever down and fed the gas...


50 posted on 11/01/2010 11:20:07 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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