Skip to comments.Do We Need A New Word For Treason?
Posted on 11/10/2010 10:15:30 PM PST by Neil E. Wright
Say any word a thousand times and it loses its meaning. Yet, how could any act punishable by death lose its meaning? I don't care how many times I hear the word murder, it always pretty much holds the same weight as the first time I heard it. The same goes for rape. I heard the word many times and have seen it used superfluously as in: "They are raping the land!" Regardless, when I hear that word, it sparks an internal revulsion.
Treason seems to no longer hold that same revulsion. It is a co-opted word by those guilty of it. It is a word reserved for those who have gone against the government. But, when the government goes against the people in clear violation of the Constitution, the word never appears, or when it does it carries no weight whatsoever. So, one must ask oneself: "Why not?"
Why not, indeed.
A word like treason only holds meaning if it is enforced, if it represents a true and rational threat. Where there is no one to enforce the death penalty aspect to it, there is no meaning. Traditionally, we think of the consequences of treason more than the mere act of it. We might imagine the sneaky, late-night passing of communication between the treasonous agent and the beneficiary, but it is the stark sight of the firing squad that brings home the import of the act.
Another aspect to the act of treason that lends more weight to the word at one time rather than another is the immediacy of threat. When a nation is at war, treason is dealt with differently than when it serves to aid some distant military threat. I'm not sure that it should, but it is a fact. Part of that obviously comes from the lives put in danger dimension to a nation at war and the possibility of war.
In America today, we are at war. Treason is being committed. Lives are being put in danger as a result. This treason is open and clear, almost insultingly obvious, to anyone who cares to look. So, it must be the word that means nothing. I guess we need a new word for it.
Cross-posted at WASHINGTON REBEL.
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I have one.Its called progressive.
Alright then, how about 'Obama'?
All traitors should be hung from meat hooks with piano wire. And yes especially those in political office who commit this act need to be publically executed.
How about McGerkie.
If you want to dig in to the souls of men and prosecute bad thoughts, then you shall soon find your thoughts judged by the likes of me. Or whomever assumes control.
Being an America hating suckpump is not treason, it is simple freedom of expression.
Just like the Constitution, let's use the one we have.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
You are a real piece of work.
Whoever mentioned thoughts as treason? deeds yes,like leaking information so our enemies may see,yes.
How about “democrat”.
One hellafied post.makes me feel like laerning even more history.now if i can juist remember!
I get personal effing Mod warnings and suspensions when I state things that obviously.
Glad the word gets out anyway, despite my personal victimhood status...(sniff)...
The fundamentals never change, never! People only think they’re smarter now.
Ding ding ding!!!!
We have a winner!
Thank you again for great insight.Just like sports, its all in the fundamentals.
Communists used to be seen as traitors.
Now it’s pretty clear it’s Democrats.
Just change the dates and place names and the names of the actors, the play is pretty much the same.
Kids don't get much history now, and much of that has been revised. The revisionists should be hung.
You've got to make sure your kids don't buy the lies.
There is only one person this year that has been treasonous and that was that kid who let over 60,000 pages of confidential papers on wikileaks. I don’t believe people use the term correctly.
Treason is the only crime defined in the US constitution.
Article 3, Section 3. “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”
We need to follow the constitution.
Problem when i was young,and todays youth is they see the lie,but cant find the truth.
A good magician always makes sure you’re watching the hand he wants you to watch.
I know i was very angry once i started learning ,mongo mad!!
No, but need need to enforce the penalty for it.
A lot of it is subtle and seems innocent but there is almost always a subliminal message.
Paranoia is a normal defense mechanism, within reason, not a mental illness. When you accept everything at face value, that is where the insanity begins.
We turned most of our kids over to the enemy to be programmed and raised.
Communist Goal #15: Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Communist Goal #20: Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
It is relevant that this quote from Cicero was part of a speech by which he persuaded the Senate to suspend the Constitution and allow him to execute without trial anyone he suspected of being an Enemy of the State.
This created a very bad precedent for the Roman government and I really don’t think it’s one we want to follow.
Not that the Roman Republic wasn’t already on its last legs by this point.
The problem is specifically that we have not enforced the consequences of the term. Historically it was summery execution. Today it is a status symbol among the elite.
It sounds nice but it's totally removed from reality. The "progressive" goal, of course, is to create a new reality, but it's artificial and will require force to keep it going, like the old Soviet Union.
Our Constitution is pretty much suspended, by acts of treason.
I must have missed the hundreds of executions in the streets by agents of the government. Extrapolating to today’s numbers, make that tens of thousands.
Geez, I get tired of hyperbole. Our Constitution is in serious trouble, and has been since the Progressives decided it was an impediment to Progress back in the late 1800s.
But it has not yet been “suspended.”
Darth is merely pointing out that treason is a capital offense that merits the death penalty in our country. Sadly, we no longer have the spine to carry out that sentence, so any politician who aids our Nation's enemies knows full well there will be no penalty.
While I do not share Darth's love of piano wire, I do support his wish for the death of all traitors in our country. It's common sense, and our unwillingness to employ it is an indicator or how weak-willed we have become as a poeple.
Frankly, if I was ruler, we would run out of rope real quick.
It is ignored with impunity! There are tens of thousands of unconstitutional laws on the books, right this minute.
Not to really change the thread, but your comment hit me like a ton of bricks. I take my son to work at 5:00 am every morning. I have the radio on in the car, but ping pong to find music, DJ chatter at that time of day is ridiculous. This morning, Veteran's Day, every station was playing 'peace' music. By that I mean all the stuff from the 60's-90's garbage that is anti-American, anti-military and anti-war. Interspersed with the music was commercials of all the Veteran's Day activities in town. The hypocracy was thick.
None of it has happened by accident. Hilary raved about a “great right wing conspiracy”. For some reason we’ve been afraid to talk about the great left wing conspiracy.
What we are lax in is our ENFORCEMENT. A rape or a murder harms one person, treason harms a Nation and can lead to rape and murder if that Nation falls. Treason, by even my libertarian standards, is the ultimate initiation of Fraud.
Then again, I think violation of USC Title 18 Sec 241/242 needs to be used more often as well.
I get accused of being an anarchist, nothing could be further from the truth. I want a smaller, more rational, code of laws that punish "real damage done" type crimes and to have those laws strictly enforced.
Having a million laws on the books makes real crimes like treason seem lesser by comparison.
Just my unsolicited dos centavos...
Dig up your guns, because you are going to need them.
We are not fighting some kind of resistance war in an occupied country, regardless of whatever paranoid delusions lie within the minds of some here.
You are defending a turd who wants to hang people on hooks with piano wire.
I and others can do that too. Even worse.
To demonstrate a desire to give license to anyone to unleash such mayhem is foolish at best. It simply demonstrates a desire for anarchy. Easy when behind a keyboard, not so much when you are up to your ass in the guts of the innocent and guilty who will be absorbed in the crapstorm unleashed.
I shall relinquish this topic to the retard nation, just like the fag threads, until I again get bored and have time to waste pissing on my boots.
No because treason is defined in out Constitution. While laws against sedition come and go, treason (aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime) has never been “repealed” from the Constitution.
Just because Jimmy Carter was unwilling to prosecute the traitors who betrayed American in Vietnam in support of the North Vietnamese Communists (Jane Fonda, the Weather Underground, the Yippies, and others who conspired to stage riots in the streets, burn armories, pledge support to the Viet Cong, assassinate police and congressmen...), does not mean that the crime has become meaningless.
We had traitors in this war too. Nadil Hassan at Ft. Hood was a traitor and he was enabled by a fifth column in our US military who empowered him in the name of political correctness even though they KNEW he was communicating with Al Qaeda and making jihadist death threats against non-muslims.
Too late to punish Jack Murtha and Ted Kennedy.
John Kerry has never been punished for lying to Congress about war crimes or participating in a “peace” group that plotted to assassinate congressmen until support for Vietnam War had waned.
Let me state that I do not support any vigilantism, I seek a prosecution for the crime of treason as defined by the constitution by the powers that are entrusted with such determination.