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Busted: NY Politician Calls Cops on Kidsí Unlicensed Bake Sale
The Blaze ^ | 11-15-2010 | Meredith Jessup

Posted on 11/15/2010 11:13:00 AM PST by Falcon28

Alert the authorities! Some kids in New York apparently think it’s still okay to engage in capitalistic ventures in America!

Think again, kiddos:

A politician in a New York suburb called police on two 13-year-old boys for selling cupcakes and other baked goods without a permit, according to a report Monday.

The Journal News in Westchester County said the boys, Andrew DeMarchis and Kevin Graff, had a brisk business selling cupcakes, cookies, brownies and Rice Krispie treats for $1 each in a Chappaqua park.

However, New Castle [which includes Chappaqua] Councilman Michael Wolfensohn called the police after discovering the sale was not for charity, the newspaper said.

Kevin’s mother, Laura Graff, said the teens were “good kids” who were scared by the police call.

“I am shocked and sad for the boys. It was such a great idea, and they worked hard at it,” Laura Graff, Kevin’s mother, told The Journal News. “But then some Town Board member decided to get on his high horse and wreck their dreams.”

DeMarchis, Graff and two other friends, Zachary Bass and Daniel Katz, had hoped they would make enough money to open a restaurant, the paper said, adding that they made $120 on their first day.

$1 per cupcake? $120 in one day?! Obscene profiteering!!

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1 posted on 11/15/2010 11:13:04 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Falcon28

HOpefully when they get older they’ll vote with their feet like I intend to do. Then again I’ll be 50 tomorrow. . . sigh.


2 posted on 11/15/2010 11:15:32 AM PST by AbolishCSEU
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To: Falcon28

Libtards gone bonkers.


3 posted on 11/15/2010 11:15:47 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Falcon28

They learned a valuable lesson that day.


4 posted on 11/15/2010 11:16:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Falcon28

I side with the cops on this one. You can’t just open up business in a park. Even if you are a kid.


5 posted on 11/15/2010 11:17:00 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Falcon28
Well, I'm sure Councilman Michael Wolfensohn's sheep will sleep a lot better tonight.
6 posted on 11/15/2010 11:17:32 AM PST by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: Falcon28

The government did not get rid of the mafia. They just replaced it with themselves.


7 posted on 11/15/2010 11:17:43 AM PST by microgood
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To: Falcon28
Here's the loser:


8 posted on 11/15/2010 11:17:54 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: RobRoy

Another little hitler telling kids what to do.
This should be encoraged, not discouraged.
Open up the parks for bike rentals, boat rentals, food vendors.
Drop this licensing crap. Let the buyer beware.


9 posted on 11/15/2010 11:19:24 AM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Falcon28

this loser will likely get retired by the voters and then move to FL...I’ll need to keep an eye out...


10 posted on 11/15/2010 11:20:24 AM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Falcon28

I vehemently disagree with a lot of the crap that is now required of entrepreneurs. I can understand some safety issues but it makes it difficult for pull oneself up by his or her own bootstraps. That said, the age of these entrepreneurs is irrelevant to me. They should be treated as anyone else who wants to run a sidewalk business. Elsewise, every sidewalk entrepreneur will find a kid to front for the business.

As to the cop issue, I think it looks like over-reaction from the Councilman. Why he couldn’t have asked the kids the name of their parents and told them they needed to have those parents contact the city is beyond me. On the other hand, it might have been better to have the cop shut them down. Those kids were probably just sitting ducks for some gang action at the end of the day. Do I sound conflicted? I am. I think I would have asked someone to watch the kids, noticed who picked them up at the end of the day, and discussed it with the adults.


11 posted on 11/15/2010 11:21:19 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Falcon28

What do the two leading residents of Chappaqua (i.e., Hilly and Billy) have to say about this?


12 posted on 11/15/2010 11:23:56 AM PST by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: RobRoy

I tend to agree. What are the laws in this municipality? If they are onerous, change them. Otherwise comply with them.

This is what happens when legislatures and governing bodies go unchecked, they outlaw kids selling lemonade, etc. FWIW, two 13 year olds sounds like they were just trying to make a quick buck, but if they can’t do it legally - they need to stop.


13 posted on 11/15/2010 11:25:36 AM PST by Cathy
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To: caseinpoint
"Those kids were probably just sitting ducks for some gang action at the end of the day."

As it turns out, a different gang got to them much earlier in the day.

14 posted on 11/15/2010 11:25:36 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Falcon28

Looks like he’s been stealing cupcakes for years.


15 posted on 11/15/2010 11:25:46 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: RobRoy

[ I side with the cops on this one. You can’t just open up business in a park. Even if you are a kid. ]

Not to mention that foul sugary unhealthy yellow liquid young kids want to sell for a quarter a cup along with their crudely designed signs with some letter written backwards....


16 posted on 11/15/2010 11:26:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Joe 6-pack

“As it turns out, a different gang got to them much earlier in the day.”

Can’t argue with that but at least that gang didn’t shoot them for their profits or ipods.


17 posted on 11/15/2010 11:29:03 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint
"Can’t argue with that but at least that gang didn’t shoot them for their profits or ipods."

Because the kids did what they were told. Keep in mind that ultimately, all laws are enforced, and all taxes are collected at the end of a gun.

18 posted on 11/15/2010 11:31:48 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Falcon28

Well, he won’t be getting reelected. Talk about overreaching government...sheesh. And obama says it just appears that the government has become overreaching, it really hasn’t. Same lame excuse married men give there wifes when they are steppin out on them. Oh honey it’s just your imagination.


19 posted on 11/15/2010 11:33:45 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Sorry, can’t accept your implication that the cop would have shot the kids had they not obeyed him. Cops are charged with enforcing laws. They don’t write the laws. In the same way we expect soldiers to carry out official orders, we also expect cops to enforce laws. If you have a problem with the laws they enforce, there is another branch of government with which to lodge your complaint.


20 posted on 11/15/2010 11:36:07 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: RobRoy
I side with the cops on this one. You can’t just open up business in a park. Even if you are a kid.

Then you are a fool who doesn't know the meaning of freedom. Children are not adults and they do not pose a threat to other businesses and certainly not to any of the other reasons that licensing and permits are required. The main reason most businesses need permits and licenses is MONEY, revenue to the city and the state and the feds. In some cases licenses are required in order for "journeymen" to keep others out of their trade. Most permits and licenses are unnecessary and hurt small business people.

21 posted on 11/15/2010 11:37:46 AM PST by calex59
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To: Falcon28

They should pack heat and sell drugs. Then the cops are afraid to come after them and would have left them alone.

They would have made a lot more money too.


22 posted on 11/15/2010 11:41:26 AM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: calex59

This is NY we’re talking about, the most business-unfriendly state in the entire nation!!

He won’t get voted out!!


23 posted on 11/15/2010 11:41:59 AM PST by AbolishCSEU
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To: caseinpoint
"Sorry, can’t accept your implication that the cop would have shot the kids had they not obeyed him."

I'm assuming the cops told the kids to pack up their stuff and go home. Suppose they didn't. They would have attempted to detain/arrest the kids. Suppose they resisted vigorously?

As I said, all laws are ultimately enforced at the end of a gun, and with government force. That is not, in and of itself a bad thing, and I made no value judgment to that effect. I'm perfectly happy with many laws being made effective by having the force of government behind them. Others, not so much. It's like Washington said, government is like fire: a dangerous servant and a fearful master. That's not to say life is better without fire...we need warmth, hot food, industry, etc. We just need to tend it carefully and closely so it doesn't spiral out of control, because it doesn't discriminate in whom gets burnt.

24 posted on 11/15/2010 11:45:01 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Falcon28

A severe case of pubic chin.

Appropriate.


25 posted on 11/15/2010 11:51:31 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: AbolishCSEU

This report is from my area. The kids were selling in a public park to save money to open a restaurant. They started with cakes and made $130. Then they bought a wagon and added drinks. Now town law says you must have a 1 million dollar insurance policy and also pay $150 to $350 for two hours. The parks department will make an exception for charity. (IE: Girl scouts or such)
On the one hand if we make exceptions for these kids who else should we exempt? This was not a lemonade stand it was a business. Using a paid for by the public, park. The public decided if you want to open a business in our park you must pay for it. They did not.
As far as we know no one told the kids the rules of selling for profit in the park. The cops did not fine them did not arrest them just told them sorry you must pack up and go.
How is a kid with an entrepreneur spirit to start? If our schools were doing their job for all the money we pay there would be an entrepreneur club that could sell on school grounds or something. But we will never see it in today’s schools. They are too busy teaching political correctness, feel good studies and other never in the real world skills.


26 posted on 11/15/2010 11:54:49 AM PST by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it))
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To: Colvin

>>Another little hitler telling kids what to do.
This should be encoraged, not discouraged.
Open up the parks for bike rentals, boat rentals, food vendors.
Drop this licensing crap. Let the buyer beware.<<

I kind of agree with you. But until the licensing is dropped, it is irresponsible to allow our parks to be turned into New Delhi markets.


27 posted on 11/15/2010 11:58:29 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: calex59

I agree with your post in principle. I think freedom is a very important principle. But I am not a fan of anarchy.

I would like to walk through a park without being accosted by vendors. Our laws help with that.

If a kid want’s to open a lemonade stand in front of his house, that is a different thing. It’s very much about location. A kid could make some serious coin doing this sort of thing. :)


28 posted on 11/15/2010 12:01:35 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: caseinpoint
Those kids were probably just sitting ducks for some gang action at the end of the day.

This was Chappaqua, with median household income at $200K and a 90% white, 6% Asian population.

29 posted on 11/15/2010 12:05:10 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Falcon28

no wonder....another fat faced thick necked jerk who thinks everything should be under the thumb of the govt.....


30 posted on 11/15/2010 12:06:06 PM PST by cherry
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To: Falcon28
Actually, these kids are just lucky some goons from some food worker's union didn't destroy their wares, steal their money, and beat them unconscious. That's the RAT union way.
31 posted on 11/15/2010 12:09:52 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Falcon28

If anybody feels like dropping this @ss clown a note:
mbwolf@town.new-castle.ny.us


32 posted on 11/15/2010 12:45:42 PM PST by pgobrien (Obama couldn't lead people out of a burning building.....)
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To: Falcon28
You have done well citizen Wolfensohn to report this crime to the proper authorities!

You are not obsolete!

33 posted on 11/15/2010 12:48:31 PM PST by 4yearlurker (We got the ball rolling! Stop the Boy King!)
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To: RobRoy
Common Neighbor Rob,
Think how much fun Pikes street market is!. Plus, unless we start fighting these stupid rules, they are going to stay in effect!
34 posted on 11/15/2010 1:44:49 PM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Cathy

Common Cathy, these rules are idiotic. There is no reason PUBLIC property should not be used by the public.
Sarah Palin would have you read the book “Saving Capitalism from Capitalist.”


35 posted on 11/15/2010 1:46:53 PM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Zhang Fei

Never been to Chappaqua but I don’t think anyplace is safe from criminal or gang activity.


36 posted on 11/15/2010 2:19:54 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Colvin

OUT OF STATER!!!

It’s Pike Place Market. ;)

And yes, my wife and I love to visit there, but only before nine AM on Saturdays or on Sundays, due to parking. Heck, the musicians even have to get a permit to perform, IIRC.

I really don’t have a problem with the rules at parks. I would also like to see a law making it illegal to conduct business from your car with someone outside your car, while you are in a traffic lane. It would eliminate the beggars at freeway offramps and popular intersections. Sure, they can do it, but if anyone gives them money from their car, they will be pulled over and ticketed for obstructing traffic.

I don’t want to conduct business in a park unless it is in a specific area set aside for such purposes. And the permit does not have to be punitive, but the process is necessary to keep things from getting out of hand.


37 posted on 11/15/2010 2:31:32 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Colvin

OUT OF STATER!!!

It’s Pike Place Market. ;)

And yes, my wife and I love to visit there, but only before nine AM on Saturdays or on Sundays, due to parking. Heck, the musicians even have to get a permit to perform, IIRC.

I really don’t have a problem with the rules at parks. I would also like to see a law making it illegal to conduct business from your car with someone outside your car, while you are in a traffic lane. It would eliminate the beggars at freeway offramps and popular intersections. Sure, they can do it, but if anyone gives them money from their car, they will be pulled over and ticketed for obstructing traffic.

I don’t want to conduct business in a park unless it is in a specific area set aside for such purposes. And the permit does not have to be punitive, but the process is necessary to keep things from getting out of hand.


38 posted on 11/15/2010 2:31:48 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: AbolishCSEU

Yes, the councilman could have handled it different, but the kids need to follow the rules, too. I like the entreprenurial spirit, but you’ve got no competition because no one else can sell in the park.
This is a very highly affluent neighborhood, why did the parents have to contact the newspaper? Just to get back at the councilman??


39 posted on 11/15/2010 2:41:06 PM PST by No_More_Harkin
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To: caseinpoint
Never been to Chappaqua but I don’t think anyplace is safe from criminal or gang activity.

I have. The median home price is $1.1m. Think Newport Beach, but with more money.

40 posted on 11/15/2010 4:37:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Cathy

“but if they can’t do it legally - they need to stop.”

A few observations on the above. First is the obvious one, the similarity with the Hispanic culture’s “ES LA LEY” meaning It Is The Law.

AN infamous German variant on order v. flexibility is “Alles In Ordnung!” - Everything In Order.

If the kids can’t sell cupcakes in a park because of a law, that law needs modification to allow kids to do things which do earn money.

When the law is an ass, often it is because an ass is the law. Being an ‘originalist proctologist’, so to speak, I recommend that all laws that make illegal activities which build the character of the young should be repealed. Do it lest peals of laughter, followed by voter revenge cause the Political Nomenklatura Critter to have to seek gainful employment.


41 posted on 11/15/2010 4:48:29 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: RobRoy

Sorry, Born in Tacoma, but live in Clark County now.
I agree on the hours at the market, and I will try to get the name down.
I used to like rules, but now my thing is as much freedom as we can stand. I don’t see the need for most of them (Hey, were all adults here!)

I remember a study that a black conservative did, pointing out that under slavery blacks had more freedom to engage in commerce then they do now in Washington DC. Now they are saddled with permits and all sorts on nonsense.

It like our four freedoms. Each one is annoying and dangerous in its own right. Freedom of Speech? Can really be ANNOYING! And Dangerous. Same thing with Religion and arms.

One of the things I like about living in the country on Ag land is there is little I can do that is against the rules!


42 posted on 11/15/2010 5:48:07 PM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: calex59
Children are not adults and they do not pose a threat to other businesses and certainly not to any of the other reasons that licensing and permits are required.

Of course somebody gets sick from food that was not properly handled, it will be the cities fault for not enforcing existing laws.

43 posted on 11/15/2010 6:07:26 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: RobRoy
Rob,

Just a question that I forgot to ask. What sort of horror would ensue if the musicians were unpermitted? Why do the need to be permitted? Is there actually an argument in favor of this, or does it have to do with revenue generation?

Mike

44 posted on 11/16/2010 6:32:10 AM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Colvin

>>What sort of horror would ensue if the musicians were unpermitted?<<

There are too darned many of them. (BTW, I am a musician myself.)

Imagine what would happen if it really was a free-for-all. You’d have musicians (most of them virtually without skill or talent) competing 15 feet apart from each other, every 15 feet.

Wherever people gather in large numbers, it is a magnet for every wanna be juggler, guitar player, and every other person attempting to make a buck off a skill that is easy to acquire, to practice for the occasional quarter. Heck, even I thought of doing it to harden my chops. And even the way it’s set up now, many of the street musicians are guys that have the playing skills of a child that has been to two months of guitar training.

Nobody would be killed, true, but it is just more civilized when the government makes it a little harder for just anyone to plop down and start making a racket with an out of tune guitar missing two strings - or selling non-homogenized milk that was sitting in their barn for a week.

Yes, it’s a fine line that many governments have stepped FAR over into becoming a pure revenue source, but the alternative is not a pretty thing. It would ruin many of the street fairs, markets, etc. around the country. And, for the people visiting the location, it DOES work.

Now, a private event, on private property, is a whole ‘nother animal.


45 posted on 11/16/2010 9:13:50 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Falcon28

There is a very good reason why food like this shouldn’t be sold or offered to the public in this manner.

First person that keels over dead after eating one....and you will all understand it better.


46 posted on 11/16/2010 9:17:21 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Falcon28

New Castle [which includes Chappaqua] Councilman Michael Wolfensohn called the police after>>>>>>>>

Hopefully he gets booted by the voters and if he is getting paid for this job then he loses that cash stream


47 posted on 11/16/2010 9:40:31 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: RobRoy
I can sort of see your point, and it is a local control issue... But I think they would manage to sort them selves out.
Being in Ag I tend to have a knee jerk reaction to rules. It is unlikely that anyone would sell week old milk, because you want your customers to come back, alive, and with out a pitch fork.

I sell pigs, send them off to a USDA butcher shop that smokes and cures the meat.
Thanks to USDA rules, the smallest portion I can sell you is 1/2 of a pig, unless I send the live to a slaughter house. This rule only servers the large slaughter houses. There is no way I would want to sell tainted meat to a customer. As you can guess this really cuts down on the customer base. They need to have a large freezer, and want to have all cuts, and the ability to consume this much of a pig over a 6 month period.

Why isn't the fact that I sent them to a usda approved butcher shop good enough? I would contend that it is just a matter of supporting businesses that can get regulation passed that works for them.

48 posted on 11/16/2010 10:27:00 AM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Colvin

I really think we’re pretty much on the same page here. I’ll add this though: I think the reason the government created the rules in the first place is tht there are all sorts of people. Some are just lazy about certain things. They do not INTENTIONALLY sell you tainted meat or bad milk, but, well, some people are just more responsible than others.

But I would like to see the government err in the direction of too much freedom, as opposed to too much control.


49 posted on 11/16/2010 10:48:07 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: caseinpoint
Sorry, can’t accept your implication that the cop would have shot the kids had they not obeyed him.

Then you're a fool.

In the same way we expect soldiers to carry out official orders, we also expect cops to enforce laws.

Do you think that sidearm on their hips is a negotiating tool of some kind?

50 posted on 11/16/2010 10:50:26 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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