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Male star leads (All-Girls)field hockey team. Is he an unfair edge(Double Standard at work!)?
Rivals-Yahoo! | November 16, 2010 | Cameron Smith

Posted on 11/16/2010 7:10:13 PM PST by greatdefender

Wyoming Seminary in Forty Fort, Pa., is a traditional field hockey powerhouse, so it's no surprise that it's back in contention for a state title, with a berth in the state championship game on the line Wednesday afternoon in Seminary's faceoff with Crestwood (Pa.) High (the semifinal against Crestwood was originally scheduled for Tuesday afternoon but was postponed by bad weather). What is surprising is how Seminary is advancing through the playoffs, on the back of a male player who is singlehandedly dominating all Seminary's opponents.That player is Cornelius Tietze, a junior and German native who joined the Seminary field hockey team this season and has played as the squad's lone male player ... and the only boy on the field in practically all of 24-2 Seminary's games, for that matter. In his last two outings, Tietze led his team to a 4-3 victory over District 3-AA runner-up Donegal with three goals and an assist, and a 4-2 win against Villa Maria, a game in which he again scored three goals.

The CitizensVoice.com game story of Wyoming Seminary's victory against Villa Maria makes it clear just how dominant the German can be. The junior scored the game's first goal, then helped Seminary rebound after it allowed two goals with both a lone-man breakaway goal and the game-winning score just minutes later.

Tietze's dominance has sparked renewed questions of the fairness in allowing a male athlete to play in a sport traditionally played in America by girls alone. Last week, PennLive.com asked that question and received a largely rancorous attack against male participation, with the exception of the two posters who actually were field hockey players.


TOPICS: Education; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: boy; fieldhockey; girls; sport

As many posted on the comments, when a girl is part of the football team: it receives praise; while a boy in an all-girls sport is "wrong" & "sexists".

1 posted on 11/16/2010 7:10:16 PM PST by greatdefender
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To: greatdefender

Sorry, I forgot to post link:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Male-star-leads-field-hockey-team-Is-he-an-unfa?urn=highschool-285871


2 posted on 11/16/2010 7:11:03 PM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender
Wyoming Seminary in Forty Fort, Pa.

I lol.

3 posted on 11/16/2010 7:12:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (Global Warming: the first faith preached exclusively by hypocrites.)
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To: greatdefender

Is it an “all-girl” sport with a rule prohibiting males, or is it a game that is traditionally played by girls? If the rules don’t prohibit it, and if he’s good, he can play. Period.


4 posted on 11/16/2010 7:15:58 PM PST by meyer (Hey Obama - It's the end of the world as you know it.... ..... and I feel fine!)
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To: meyer

Every now and then the ACLU makes a stink and forces some school to allow a girl onto a male team and to let her into the male locker room. I see a double standard at work here. I say he should stay on the team.


5 posted on 11/16/2010 7:20:38 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: greatdefender

Wonder how long until we start seeing this on a wider scale due to Title IX.


6 posted on 11/16/2010 7:24:04 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: meyer

I agree. In fact, in some states, it stated in their rule book that you can have an co-ed team as long the sport is not played by two separate genders. In other words, in this case, if the boys do not have a field hockey team, then they can be in the girls team. This is why you hear many girls in football team. Since they do not have a girls (tackle) football team, they can be in the football team. It is strange when you think about it. Like you said, if no rules prohibiting of a co-ed team, then it is legal.


7 posted on 11/16/2010 7:24:26 PM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender

“Tietze’s dominance has sparked renewed questions of the fairness in allowing a male athlete to play in a sport traditionally played in America by girls alone.”

So one guy taking on an opposing team of ten girls is considered unfair?

“Last week, PennLive.com asked that question and received a largely rancorous attack against male participation, with the exception of the two posters who actually were field hockey players.”

I thought guys and gals were supposed to be equal. Judging by the Feministas reaction it looks like reality says something else.


8 posted on 11/16/2010 7:28:32 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: greatdefender

so, let’s review the facts:

a) he’s the star athlete on the team
b) on a team of female hardbodies, he’s the only male.

All I can say is... WAY TO GO, SLICK! (wink)


9 posted on 11/16/2010 7:30:56 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: greatdefender

I’m trying to figure out how this guy keeps from getting distracted by all the hot chicks on the field he’s playing with and against. It looks like he has great focus and concentration and that tenacious male drive to win even when the odds are against him.


10 posted on 11/16/2010 7:31:10 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: greatdefender

Would Tietze’s name be pronounced “teats”?


11 posted on 11/16/2010 7:33:09 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Tax-chick

Wyoming Seminary 1844

State of Wyoming 1890

Hmmm


12 posted on 11/16/2010 7:34:05 PM PST by ThomasThomas (If bacon grew on trees I would be a vegetarian.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Wonder how long until we start seeing this on a wider scale due to Title IX.

I'm surprised it took so long.........

13 posted on 11/16/2010 7:34:33 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

That’s the team slogan — “Come out and watch us play! You’ll be staring at our Tietze the whole time!”


14 posted on 11/16/2010 7:36:45 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: greatdefender
My heart goes out to this kid. Not only is he undoubtedly taking a rash of crap from his buddies, but I'm certain those girls aren't cutting him any slack with those sticks.

Actually I feel the same way about this as I do girls invading male domains. He should compete with his own.

16 posted on 11/16/2010 7:42:05 PM PST by skeeter
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To: greatdefender

We’re men, MANLY men, we’re men in Tietze . Yeah!
We roam around the forest looking for fights.
We’re men, we’re men in Tietze.
We rob from the rich and give to the poor, that’s right!
We may look like pansies, but don’t get us wrong or else we’ll put out your lights.
We’re men, we’re men in Tietze (TIGHT Tietze ),
Always on guard defending the people’s rights.
When you’re in a fix just call for the men in Tietze !


17 posted on 11/16/2010 7:43:09 PM PST by ari-freedom (Islam is at war against America, while America is at the mall.)
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To: greatdefender

2009 Ncaa Mens Lacrosse Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3bZvJ8RT74

2010 Women’s Lacrosse Championship Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moRFMopqdiM

If you watch both videos you can see the men are much more aggressive than the women.


18 posted on 11/16/2010 7:43:41 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: skeeter

I bet his buddies sign up for next year to be on the same team!


19 posted on 11/16/2010 7:47:55 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: greatdefender

I get the tit for tat argument; but seriously, he shouldn’t be playing.


20 posted on 11/16/2010 7:48:31 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: ThomasThomas

Wyoming Territory, 1803-


21 posted on 11/16/2010 8:28:28 PM PST by nuance4u
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To: greatdefender

This is stupid. He shouldn’t be competing against girls.

However, if I was him, I’d stay on that team as long as I could.


22 posted on 11/16/2010 8:43:30 PM PST by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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To: greatdefender

I am the intergender field hocky champion!


23 posted on 11/16/2010 8:46:25 PM PST by Nooseman (mutt)
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To: nuance4u

As a territory it was the first to allow females to vote — 1869 as I recall.

But this is Wyoming County, Pennsylvania. I think some from here settled the state of Wyoming.


24 posted on 11/16/2010 8:47:22 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Brucifer

There is another story about two brothers, hockey players, who are playing for the South Hadley, MA field hockey team. They play for the state championship this weekend.

I am not that old, but I cringe at the thought of me going home and telling my Dad that I made the field hockey team. He would have laughed at me until her realized I was serious. Then he would have gotten mad.

Nothing wrong with field hockey. And there is nothing wrong with men’s field hockey—it can be an exciting and brutally physical game. But young men playing on a girls team simply provides them too much of an advantage in speed and overall strength.

This is another prime example that just because you have the right to do something, that you should go ahead and do it.


25 posted on 11/16/2010 8:53:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: ari-freedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64


26 posted on 11/16/2010 8:56:28 PM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender

Good way to meet girls.


27 posted on 11/16/2010 8:58:07 PM PST by Redcitizen (The Democrats got the Tea virus- they're zombies!)
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To: greatdefender

I wonder if he showers with the team after games.


28 posted on 11/16/2010 8:59:02 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: greatdefender
this is ridiculous..

having a male play on an almost exclusive female team is insane.....it would be like allowing a pro football player to play on a HS team...

is it fair to allow that?....how about having a repeatedly held back 22 yro play on a HS team?....

of course not....there are different levels for different athletes...yet no one puts anyone down for playing on a lower level, except of course if its a girls team...

I'll bet this guy couldn't make any boys teams so he decided to be on a girls team....we are supposed to be surprised that he is excelling?.....like Peyton Manning wouldn't be a hit on a HS team...

29 posted on 11/16/2010 9:05:12 PM PST by cherry
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To: Celtic Cross

please name the school that allows a girl player into a male locker room....


30 posted on 11/16/2010 9:08:13 PM PST by cherry
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To: Nervous Tick

“All I can say is... WAY TO GO, SLICK! (wink)”

Have you ever seen a woman field hockey player?


31 posted on 11/16/2010 9:15:43 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

The times they are a changing!

Back in my day the field hockey team was NOT where you went looking for a date. But these days the field hockey girls are some of the best athletes out there. They are in shape, they look good, and they are true athletes.

Year in and year out, the college FH teams I work with (from about 25 different schools) have the best looking, and most fun girls on them. And the new uniforms are pretty cute too.

No, they are not our Mom’s field hockey players.


32 posted on 11/16/2010 9:19:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: greatdefender

This touches on one of my pet peeves: girls who want to compete with boys. My boys wrestle and every year there are girls on some of the teams. Who ever has to wrestle her is put in a no win situation. Wrestling is a very rough sport and most boys don’t want to treat a girl like that, and it’s awful to lose to a girl.

A boy playing against girls proves just how silly “equality” is when it comes to athletics.


33 posted on 11/16/2010 9:42:21 PM PST by Spudx7
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Men's lacrosse is more aggressive because of the rules. In men's Lacrosse, you are allowed to hit, like in hockey, not in women's— only stick on stick (now that sounds funny! :)), I can't really be any more specific because that's the husbands sport and he's sleeping. He went to Syracuse, and played Lacrosse from an early age. He thinks that girls should be able to hit because our 9 year old is a tough one! But I think it's unfair for boys to be on girls teams, they develop differently and are more muscular by high school. And I'm sure my husband would not have wanted to play with girls— what does it prove? If a girl can play a boys sport, like football, it's usually because she is exceptional. If a boy forces his way onto a girls team, well I guess the hubby would say he's a 5 letter word for a cat that starts with a P. just sayin...
34 posted on 11/16/2010 10:05:26 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Kirkwood

>> Have you ever seen a woman field hockey player?

Well, er, no I can’t say that I have. But at high school age, c’mon, how bad could it be? :-)


35 posted on 11/17/2010 5:29:42 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: skeeter
I'm certain those girls aren't cutting him any slack with those sticks.

Yep, I will bet that he wears his cup tight.

36 posted on 11/17/2010 6:19:33 AM PST by 2001convSVT ("Repeal ObamaCare")
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To: cherry

I can’t remember the name of it. I believe it wa either in Michigan or Canada. I’ll try to remember the exact name and local later.


37 posted on 11/17/2010 7:20:14 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: cherry

Comparing a boy playing on a girls’ team is not nearly the same as Manning playing against a HS team. Yes, biologically, males may be stronger and/or faster, but field hockey is much more a game of skill, stick-work, & strategy.
Go watch a game of a state championship contender and you’ll understand why your argument makes no sense. They are all EXCELLENT players. He has been playing since he was 3 years old! Most kids around here don’t start until they are in grade school. It is a way of life for men in Europe and the Middle East. There’s no shame in it there, as there shouldn’t be here. Likely, we’re all able to realize that the people who put down a player like this boy, as well as the girls he plays against, was not much of an athlete in High School.
I was on the State Champion Field Hockey team in this same division. I would have relished playing against him. When you play an excellent opponent, there is no choice but to raise your level of play.
it’s interesting to me that most of the people complaining are men, and they’re really just putting him down. Please don’t assume, on the part of the opposite gender no less, that we are anything but OK with his presence. Women fought for Title 9, for EVERYONE. It is not a gender-specific law. It entitles anyone to play on a team of the opposite gender if there is none available for their own gender. I’m thankful for it across the board.
Grow up.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 12:55:03 PM PST by begoney (Women fought for Title 9 for EVERYONE. We're grateful for its equality & don't assume any less of us)
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To: MacMattico

Women fought for Title 9 for EVERYONE, not just ourselves. This is why there is no “forcing” (your word) of a male onto a woman’s team! Please, as a woman, I am begging you to stop this line of thinking. It makes us look like whiners. I have 3 boys and I hope they get to play any sport, instrument, whatever they want without ridicule or judgement. If your husband thinks a boy playing on a girls’ team is a P****, then I feel really sorry for you & your daughter b/c all he’s putting out there is that women are inferior & that it’s a step down for a boy to join them. Really sad commentary from a father to a daughter.


39 posted on 11/17/2010 12:55:17 PM PST by begoney (Women fought for Title 9 for EVERYONE. We're grateful for its equality & don't assume any less of us)
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To: begoney
Yes, I realized “forcing” was the wrong word after I had posted. That part I agree with. The other stuff— not so much. Men and women develop differently when they reach puberty, that's a fact. I don't see any women in the NFL, NBA, or MLB. And it's not that they don't want to be— I wanted to play for the Yankees when I grew up. It became apparent at about 12 I was developing differently and it wasn't going to happen. A women a few years back made it to the final cut in open try outs for the Yankees, but that was because she was beyond exceptional, and had developed muscles and running ability unlike the way most girls develop. When a boy makes a girls team, it means another girl didn't. So that girl is left out
because a boy with a biological advantage was given her place. This is a high school boy the article spoke about, there were most assuredly try-
outs and a girl was cut from the team. Is that the equality you speak of? If boys are allowed to play all girl sports, starting line ups will become all male at a certain age. That is fact. Is that equality? Women are not inferior, but play to their different strengths— please don't put down my husband or I because we realize this. For instance, the women's basketball game is more one of finesse, in my opinion, then the men's. Women develop the outside shot better in some ways because they just don't look for the easy lay up with the 7 ft center— because their aren't any 7 foot centers, and if you let men play women's basketball, those 7 ft centers will take out even the 6 ft tall woman every time. Take fast-pitch college softball, it's developed into it's own sport in some ways quite different then baseball, based on women's strengths. I don't find it any less interesting then baseball, just different. As for instruments, who says a girls can't play the same instruments as boys?
40 posted on 11/17/2010 7:25:02 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The rules regarding contact are substantially different, the last I looked.


41 posted on 11/17/2010 7:45:09 PM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: begoney

Also, the inequality I see in sports now is more based on the girls getting lousy equipment compared to the boys newer equipment, less gym time, etc, They at least now must have an equal number of sports teams. It does not have to do with allowing boys to play girls sports. My husband would never tell either of my daughters they are “inferior” athletes. But our whole family plainly sees the inherent differences among the sexes. We play to our strengths. My husband, I, and our two girls all play sports. I have spoken at board meetings and to coach’s directly about equipment issues and practice times. Having three boys, I can understand how you would want them to have every opportunity, but I don’t think that opportunity should come at the expense of others— in this case girls interested in being part of a team. Your boys will develop in ways my girls never will. With that boy in the article playing field hockey scoring almost all of the goals, what message does that send? Girls can, and will, infer that he is the superior player, hence they are made to feel inferior— who does that help?


42 posted on 11/17/2010 7:54:57 PM PST by MacMattico
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