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Posted on 11/18/2010 10:38:27 AM PST by Democrats hate too much

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To: big black dog

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. Otherwise, we’ll all have to barf at our own tag lines.


101 posted on 11/18/2010 11:35:08 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT ((Obama 2012!!! He's Not Mitt!!!))
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To: rrrod

I enjoy a good debate. Flip can be discredited on the merits.


102 posted on 11/18/2010 11:35:26 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Liberty Valance

"Gee whilakers dad, remember when we walked alongside Martin? Oh, wait.”
103 posted on 11/18/2010 11:38:45 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (NPR: Air America with government funding to keep them alive)
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104 posted on 11/18/2010 11:39:28 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Democrats hate too much
FR is a private site.

I'll back Jim on this one.

If Romney means that much to you, please, go elsewhere.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

105 posted on 11/18/2010 11:40:02 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Democrats hate too much

Romney: "Thank ME that my faithful, blind but not too bright,
RomneyBOTs like "Democrats hate too much"
who keep working FOR ME, ignoring
my covering up my fake endorsements, my fake troopers,
sporting fake badges, ‘illegal’ security tactics, bizarre staffers,
hatred of the military, release of unrepentant murderers, receipt of AIG Contributions in 2008 ,
my imposition of gay marriage by usurping the Mass. Constitution,
my infliction of socialized medicine without a vote to impose European "healthcare" (except for me),
my abuse of Seamus violating Massachusetts's animal cruelty laws,
most say were uncalled for
for making me a presidential candidate of distinction. in many ways leading to
TIME's 200 comments from readers complaining of animal cruelty

which did unfairly expose me,
like the Globe about my Belmont illegal alien sanctuary,
or so many about my team secretly criticizing and attacking Gov. Palin
and the other GOP candidates who otherwise might have won."

106 posted on 11/18/2010 11:40:28 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: Democrats hate too much

So, going to ZOT everything to do with the Mittster, huh? Hmmm......Free Republic......not so free after all. I’m all for the exchange of ideas, no matter how awful or coiffed or well-dressed they happen to be.


107 posted on 11/18/2010 11:40:57 AM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: FreedomGuru

“There is no room for differences of opinion, or discussion.”

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Even under Mr. Robinson’s highly welcome exclusion of the Leftist “perspective” , I have had plenty of heated disagreements with conservatives, both genuine and thespian, here on FR.

There is plenty of latitude afforded on this Forum. Most of us welcome the business model developed here(and this is private property after all); few of us want to waste our time, in refuting Leftist drivel and propaganda.


108 posted on 11/18/2010 11:41:31 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

RE: “Romeny is attacked for his pro-abortion statements when running in 1994 for senate in Massachussets, and for statements made running for Governor of Mass in 2003, and as governor of Mass.

But last year FR allowed public support and posts encouraging donations to elect Scott Brown to the Senate, even though he was pro-abortion.

And the argument made was that we couldn’t expect any better from Massachussetts.

Romney is evil for what he did in Massachusetts. But we allowed active support and financial help for a pro-abortion senator running in 2009 from the same state.

I do believe a lot of people are coming to regret their support of Scott Brown; my point isn’t to defend Brown’s support (I could not send him money — I don’t support pro-abortion candidates).

However, the most recent dust-up (prompting the pro-life/pro-family statement) was not about abortion, it was about GOPProud and others pushing the tea party to ignore social issues and focus on the fiscal conservative issues that spawned the movement.

This site is run by a man who finds that unacceptable, and doesn’t want his work to be used to push that agenda, or Romney. If I had put decades of my life into something, I wouldn’t want it used to thwart my own agenda either.

That could well mean that FR is less relevant in the political arena; certainly it means that people reading here won’t be getting the full picture of what is happening, since certain points of view will be censored.

But this isn’t the Free Republic — it’s FreeRepublic, a private web site we all use at the pleasure of it’s owner and operator. Who, despite the statements quoted in this article, actually is pretty tolerant of dissenting views, if they are expressed respectfully and occasionally, and by the rules.

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GREAT POST! Thanks for expressing what I was thinking.... you did it much better than I could...............


109 posted on 11/18/2010 11:41:44 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: mnehring
The right to ownership of one’s own life is the ultimate statement of liberty.

Indeed.

I struggle with how medically unnecessary circumcision maintains broad support on FR.

110 posted on 11/18/2010 11:42:16 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: WilliamHouston

More than three years of having to explain the flaws of Mitt Romney is enough, it takes too much energy and effort to continue doing it for additional years, and to little value towards our conservative activities and efforts.

Freerepublic has other things to deal with than Mitts cult like followers who don’t share FR values anyway.


111 posted on 11/18/2010 11:43:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: Democrats hate too much

This place could not become like DU because FReepers are objectively educated, not indoctrinated, think with their minds first, then hearts, and make an attempt to use proper spelling, grammar, and clean language.


112 posted on 11/18/2010 11:43:09 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Democrats hate too much
You are under the misconception FreeRepubic is a democracy!

FR is privately owned and operated and if you don't like it don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

113 posted on 11/18/2010 11:43:43 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: CanaGuy; Jim Robinson
Free Republic......not so free after all.

FreeRepublic.com stands for a free Republic, of which, private property is a fundamental issue. And, this here, is private property in which the owner can decide what theme he wants to take. You wouldn't want someone to come into your home and change your TV channel your kids are watching to any thing they wanted would you? Your right to what happens on your private property is a foundation of a free Republic.

I hate to break it to you, but every website is like this- they are all private property and set the standards for discourse they see fit for their site. You won't see too many political discussions on eGullet nor food talk on Motor Trend forums.

You do believe in private property don't you?

114 posted on 11/18/2010 11:45:02 AM PST by mnehring
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To: newzjunkey

Funny how only the uncut want it banned. The cut don’t care what you’ve got, were comfortable with ourselves.


115 posted on 11/18/2010 11:46:55 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Democrats hate too much
For politicians like Mitt Romney, Conservatism is a political strategy, NOT a set of core beliefs.
116 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:08 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Democrats hate too much

as sort of a new guy on here I am wondering what is going to happen. As i see the race shaping up I can see Romney getting the nomination and watching many real good strong conservatives , DeMint,Thune, maybe even Gov palin endorsing him and writing op ed pieces encouraging support for him. I am wondering along with good conservatives like Hugh Hewitt will all of their links be subjected to being cleared off FR if they support Romney ?

I have some serious issues with Romney, I find him to be a little wishy washy and too slick for my taste plus the abortion issue is non negotiable to me, however I will be interested to see if he gets the nomination how far will the dominoes fall regarding the people(DeMint,Palin) who are held in high regard here that end up ENTHUSIASTICALLY supporting him.


117 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:16 AM PST by lakewood man
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To: newzjunkey

I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen that issue come up here. I guess everyone has their own pet issue.


118 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:27 AM PST by mnehring
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To: CanaGuy

Don’t like it? You have a choice. Leave.


119 posted on 11/18/2010 11:47:52 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Democrats hate too much
When you say "Let' not kick..." it implies that poster's responses produce a climate where the poster has to be banned or suspended by the Mods or Jim Robinson.

You have been registered for nine years, surely you have visited enough to know that this is a private site owned by Jim and he doesn't let herd mentality make his decisions for him.

A poster can post a stupid non-conservative opinion that looks trollish and Jim looks at their posting history and may ban them based upon the whole overview before other posters even take someone to task. Conversely, someone may stir up all manner of other posters and Jim has the history to know that poster in making a sincere nuance point and let's them be. In neither case is it "Let's" the conjunction of Let us. It happens in spite of or regardless of group-think opinion. It is simply Jim trying to run an Orderly site in the manner he has set out and most of us like it overall and only have minor times we scratch out head.

Jim is also dealing with a long site history seeing where the site has gotten off the track he intended and often wants to prevent the major fights by laying down a guideline where history shows the comment climate is making a unsuitable environment for what is to come. Primary declarations are little over a year away and after the Rudy silliness last time around here Jim probably doesn't want to have to react as hard as was needed in 2007 where many felt we were a Republican equal opportunity vetting site.

There are plenty of places that Republican big tent issues and coalitions can be promoted and discussed. This is a conservative forum and not a Republican promotion board.

120 posted on 11/18/2010 11:48:10 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: CanaGuy

How about saying something good about Romney?

Well?

We are listening...... [sound of crickets]


121 posted on 11/18/2010 11:48:49 AM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: lakewood man

Not on FR! Abortionist/statists be damned!!


122 posted on 11/18/2010 11:49:06 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Democrats hate too much

You may have misunderstood what FR is. It is a conservative site, not Republican. Conservatives are social and fiscal conservatives. It seems from your posts that you have a problem with pro-life. My suggestion is avoid those threads. FR is not simply a forum, it is an activism site. One of the things we fight is the murder of babies. Anyone who fights us on that point is viewed as a troll. If you can’t deal with that, maybe a Republican site would suit you better.


123 posted on 11/18/2010 11:49:42 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: CaliforniaCon

Scott Brown was the VOTE against Obamacare... which uses taxpayer dollars to provide abortions.

It seems to me supporting Brown was the pro-life thing to do.


124 posted on 11/18/2010 11:49:47 AM PST by Third Person (Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
“can’t live with that” — I think that means people who are constantly arguing the point.

I agree with that.

125 posted on 11/18/2010 11:50:30 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to California's workers paradise..)
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To: lakewood man
As i see the race shaping up I can see Romney getting the nomination

Romney usually makes big noise but never actually turns that into votes. During the last primary, he was usually on the top (along with Prawn Paul) of all the polls and surveys but never could turn that into votes. Rudy was the 'given' candidate and we see where that went. I doubt he will make it past the first half-dozen primaries if he does run again.

126 posted on 11/18/2010 11:51:02 AM PST by mnehring
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Romeny is attacked for his pro-abortion statements when running in 1994 for senate in Massachussets, and for statements made running for Governor of Mass in 2003, and as governor of Mass.

That isn't true, yet again you are offering cover for Mitt.

The criticism of Romney covers 45 years, it is vast and covers a huge variety of actions, choices, decisions, positions, character flaws, lies, activities as a powerful religious leader, campaigning and fund raising for Democrats, leaving the GOP to protest President Reagan, bizarre historical claims, draft evasion, and so on, it is comprehensive, and goes far beyond what you said.

127 posted on 11/18/2010 11:55:29 AM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: Democrats hate too much

I’m with you and don’t care about getting flamed.

I wonder, if Romney somehow becomes the Republican candidate opposing Commander Zero, we are to stay home and not vote? As a protest or something? Or vote for a third party candidate?

If Palin runs, I wonder if she will spin her anti-abortion stance, to try to appeal to a majority. I’ll bet she does. Will she then be persona non grata too?

Romney did some good things as Governor of Massachusetts, like advocate for the income tax rate reduction, balance the budget, and build up a good rainy day reserve. He authorized state police to arrest illegals, but his successor Deval Patrick (Obama lite), reversed the orders on taking office.

If Romney had run in Mass as an anti-abortion candidate, he’d have had no chance. So he spins, like most politicians do. I think its better to talk about who the most conservative, best candidate is, and discuss Romney’s shortcomings, rather than banish people who aren’t “conservative” enough.


128 posted on 11/18/2010 11:58:51 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: lakewood man
Here's the news: in '98/'99 and 2000 most of us here, including the site owner, were virulently anti-Bush. We knew from the start that Mr. Bush was not conservative.

Once the convention nominated Bush, no place worked harder to get him elected.

129 posted on 11/18/2010 12:00:01 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“FreeRepublic, a private web site we all use at the pleasure of it’s owner and operator. Who, despite the statements quoted in this article, actually is pretty tolerant of dissenting views, if they are expressed respectfully and occasionally, and by the rules.”

Well said. The far left appear to have a genuine fear of dissent and open discussion, and I would hate for us to be more like them in this respect. I interpret the owners comments about his “zot button” as simply blowing off a little steam, whereas in reality he has shown a lot of restraint and I think you have to try pretty hard to actually get banned here.


130 posted on 11/18/2010 12:00:18 PM PST by Texan Tory
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To: Democrats hate too much

I’m with JimRob on this one. Absolutely no allowance for abortion at any stage and will not even discuss it. If you want to talk about it find another place. No Romney, not now, not ever.


131 posted on 11/18/2010 12:01:13 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: lakewood man
IMHO, avoiding the "No-Win Scenario" nightmare that you present of Mitty getting the nomination is exactly the reason to make this 'Fortress FR', warning all the MitBots (and paid bloggers) to stay clear. Let's take him out early, and often.

(that, and it makes for a very entertaining thread!)

132 posted on 11/18/2010 12:01:22 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (NPR: Air America with government funding to keep them alive)
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To: mnehring

just looking at the history of the Republican party and who ends up getting nominated for President it does point to Romney. That said we are a long ways away from that process but history does suggest this.

I know this is Jim R’s site and one thing i do not want to be negotiable is supporting someone who cannot pass the abortion test and if Romney cannot pass it then he cannot be supported.


133 posted on 11/18/2010 12:02:43 PM PST by lakewood man
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To: Democrats hate too much

Romney may be a republican(the mayor of NYC used to be one also), but, he is no conservative. This is a conservative site...head on over to the GOP website if you want to bang pans for McCain, Romney, Snowe, and Grahm.


134 posted on 11/18/2010 12:03:32 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Palladin; Frantzie

With the courage and cool reminiscent of a company commander of paratroopers in Vietnam, Mitt Romney ascertained that the way to attack the problem of a brown diarrhea liquid on a car finish, was to hose it off.

“As the oldest son, Tagg Romney commandeered the way-back of the wagon, keeping his eyes fixed out the rear window, where he glimpsed the first sign of trouble.

“Dad!” he yelled. “Gross!”

A brown liquid was dripping down the back window, payback from an Irish setter who’d been riding on the roof in the wind for hours. As the rest of the boys joined in the howls of disgust, Romney coolly pulled off the highway and into a service station. There, he borrowed a hose, washed down Seamus and the car, then hopped back onto the highway. It was a tiny preview of a trait he would grow famous for in business: emotion-free crisis management.”


135 posted on 11/18/2010 12:06:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: Third Person
It seems to me supporting Brown was the pro-life thing to do.

How Orwellian.

136 posted on 11/18/2010 12:07:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (GOP: The "lesser of evils" party)
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To: MNDude

>>Didn’t you watch the debates in 2008? Romney’s clearly anti-abortion.<<

During the debates? When he said what he thought we wanted to hear? Have you seen the other speeches, on of which gets posted at the top of many pages, where he says otherwise. If they have a history what they say during campaigns doesn’t mean much if it doesn’t match their history.


137 posted on 11/18/2010 12:13:18 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Democrats hate too much

IBTZ


138 posted on 11/18/2010 12:14:24 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: dashing doofus
If Romney had run in Mass as an anti-abortion candidate, he’d have had no chance. So he spins, like most politicians do.

You cannot find a more passionate, more convincing, more sincere advocate of abortion among any Republicans, care to see the videos? Mitt also did fund raising for Planned Parenthood.

Why did Mitt Romney leave the Republican party in the 1980s in protest of President Reagan's conservatism, in 1992 before he decided to return to the GOP, why was all of Romney's fund raising efforts, and political donations directed to liberal Democratic candidates?

139 posted on 11/18/2010 12:15:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: Democrats hate too much

Thank you for posting this as you beat me to it. This can not be a ONE ISSUE Republican site. (No I do not support abortion - gross)but Romney is still a decent (R)and the ocasional post of a pic of a cute girl is still appreciated. ets not get too thin skined like the liberals.


140 posted on 11/18/2010 12:18:21 PM PST by Moleman
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To: CanaGuy

141 posted on 11/18/2010 12:18:58 PM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: kidd

BEING PRO LIFE IS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT FOR BEING CONSERVATIVE... you might share some conservative ideals but LIFE is a deal breaker.

PREAMBLE TO THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

NOTICE WHICH RIGHT IS FIRST!

LLS


142 posted on 11/18/2010 12:20:02 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Moleman

Mitt Romney: "I'm not running as the Republican view or a continuation of Republican values.
That's not what brings me to the race.

(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan



143 posted on 11/18/2010 12:20:52 PM PST by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the light of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: MNDude
romney is clearly anti or pro whatever he needs to be at the moment... bullshit no longer works on us.

LLS

144 posted on 11/18/2010 12:25:54 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

L O L ! Perfect!


145 posted on 11/18/2010 12:33:07 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: ansel12

All good reasons to oppose Mitt during the primary. He’s certainly not my top choice.

But I don’t think banning people who want to talk about him is the way to go. Of course, I don’t own this site, so I don’t make the rules. But if we are not able to even discuss certain candidates who are pro-abortion, maybe the site would be better named “Anti-Abortion Republic?”

I happen to be Catholic, by the way, and am as vehemently anti-abortion as anyone here. Sometimes, when faced with a choice of two candidates, I will go for the more conservative one. I voted for McCain.

I think the time to slam Romney is during the primary campaign, and discuss his shortcomings. Just my opinion .....


146 posted on 11/18/2010 12:33:38 PM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: LibLieSlayer; MNDude
romney is clearly anti or pro whatever he needs to be at the moment...

Exactly. This FR stance on Romney (thanks JimRob!) is fatigue with this patently obvious liar. We don't want to re-live the awful 2008 GOP POTUS primary. Romney couldn't beat McQueeg! The 2012 GOP candidate needs to be authentic at their very core. Mitt does not qualify.

Mitt Romney in his own words

147 posted on 11/18/2010 12:34:10 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (NPR: Air America with government funding to keep them alive)
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To: dashing doofus

Read posts 111, and 127.


148 posted on 11/18/2010 12:36:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney supporter, and anti-tea party figure, Eric Cantor, won this battle.)
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To: Jim Robinson

GOD bless you Jim! Sing it baby!

LLS


149 posted on 11/18/2010 12:36:28 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Democrats hate too much
Liberals by their nature abhor any moral or ethical restrictions. They refuse to acknowledge the existence of evil. American, Christian conservatism is founded upon certain bedrock principles that must be adhered to at all costs.

If you allow debate on those core principles here then Free Republic becomes a Yahoo! chat room. Preservation of life is one of those principles.

As for Governor Romney, he has proved himself beyond any doubt to be everything conservatives hate about politicians. His only defenders here are the ignorant, the unprincipled, or both.

By the way, I'm surprised you are still here. Several people got purged the other day for asking far more reasonable questions.

150 posted on 11/18/2010 12:37:03 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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