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Vanity on Keeping Christmas out of Christmas
my experience | 12/1/2010 | self

Posted on 12/01/2010 12:35:15 PM PST by Yaelle

Last night I went into Cost Plus for some imported candy treats for the kids. I've also been seeking Chanukah wrapping paper, which is nowhere to be found in stores this year. I noticed that they had a huge section in the middle of the store under the sign "Holiday Wrap." As I perused the many bins, I found that every single roll of wrapping paper had Christmas themes or colors.

What was the original intent of transforming Christmas into the generic "holidays?" Wasn't it to not exclude the other religions who might possibly be celebrating Chanukah, Eid, Kwanzaa, or the Winter Solstice, all of which are equally important in the politically correct society? And yet, among the rolls of paper, there were none for Chanukah, the second most celebrated holiday in December. (I noted there was no wrap decorated with naked women being tortured with electrical cords either, for Kwanzaa.)

My question, which was not understood by either of the store employees as I asked it, remains: If your store has not purchased any wrapping paper for any other holiday, and all of the wrapping paper you have is clearly for Christmas, why can't the signage over the bins say "Christmas Wrap?"


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Seen any anti-Christmas idiocy out there?
1 posted on 12/01/2010 12:35:17 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Why the war against “holy-days” (Holiday)? That term is just as religious. I think there is a lot of over-reacting going on. Yea, there are some actual attacks on Christmas, but those who find every single instance of the term “holiday” as an attack are a little overly obsessed.


2 posted on 12/01/2010 12:38:30 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Yaelle

There’s no point talking to the employees. Take that time & write a letter. They get enough, they change.


3 posted on 12/01/2010 12:39:05 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass
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To: Yaelle

In our old, pretty well blackened city....Kwanzai is celebrated as if it’s right from ancient Africa...


4 posted on 12/01/2010 12:39:41 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Yaelle

I look for wrapping paper, labels, cards and songs that don’t rely on Santa/Snowmen/Elves. Nothing is being given to kids.

I sometimes can still find paper with choral lyrics or Christmas slogans on them.


5 posted on 12/01/2010 12:40:47 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Yaelle

Go to Target, they have an entire Chanukah section.

Also, as you probably know this year Chanukah ends next week. Therefor after Wednesday - only Christmas remains as a holiday.

Kwanza is bogus


6 posted on 12/01/2010 12:42:58 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Yaelle
Seen any anti-Christmas idiocy out there?

Yes, people spending billions of dollars on gifts for Holydays they don't celebrate.

7 posted on 12/01/2010 12:43:43 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Yaelle

http://www.amazon.com/Hanukkah-Gift-50sq-American-Greetings/dp/B004D4HW8M/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291235287&sr=1-1-catcorr


8 posted on 12/01/2010 12:43:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (YOU BETCHA!)
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To: Yaelle

FWIW, I bought Chanuka paper today at Target. It was next to Christmas Wrap.

It was labeled “Chanuka Paper,” if the blue Stars of David didn’t give it away.


9 posted on 12/01/2010 12:44:00 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Yaelle

I’m 52 years old. Been around, ya know.

But I’ve never heard of, or seen, Chanukah wrapping paper.

Is Chanukah a big gift giving time? Just wondering?


10 posted on 12/01/2010 12:44:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Yaelle
Sad but true. Keep checking around. I saw Christmas and Hanukkah wrap/ribbons at Target.
11 posted on 12/01/2010 12:44:33 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: mnehring

Was there no wrapping paper dedicated to the baby-eating wife of Lucifer, the Lilith??

I am shocked. /sarcasm

* note that this post needs some context... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2635663/posts


12 posted on 12/01/2010 12:44:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: wilco200
Kwanza is bogus


13 posted on 12/01/2010 12:45:32 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Is Chanukah a big gift giving time? Just wondering?

8 days of gifts..

14 posted on 12/01/2010 12:45:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Yaelle

http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Chanuka-Hannukah-DEmballage-Chanukah/dp/B004APVTWY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1291235474&sr=1-1


15 posted on 12/01/2010 12:46:12 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (YOU BETCHA!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Kwanze—the made up holiday that never was until recently, as I understand it.


16 posted on 12/01/2010 12:47:16 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: GeronL

I praise your creativity in your method of hijacking this thread. Did not want you to think your efforts went unnoticed.


17 posted on 12/01/2010 12:47:55 PM PST by dmz
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To: wilco200
Kwanza is bogus

Bogus????



18 posted on 12/01/2010 12:49:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Yaelle
Our local Fox station referred to the Christmas Tree bomber originally as the Holiday Tree bomber before they caught on that even the city had given up on the term Holiday Tree a couple of years ago. And I have seen a couple of vertical rows of Chanukah stuff at our local Fred Meyer super store(proudly run into the ground by Kroger's marketing approach).
19 posted on 12/01/2010 12:50:39 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: dmz

lol. I love to be appreciated. /sarcasm


20 posted on 12/01/2010 12:50:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: mnehring

8 Crazy Nights!


21 posted on 12/01/2010 12:53:46 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: dmz
He probably felt the Kwanzaa hijacking was not enough. So why not add yet another element of thread hijacking?

BTW. HAPPY FESTIVUS TO ALL!!!




22 posted on 12/01/2010 12:53:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: wilco200; Yaelle

My Israeli dil tells me that they don’t give Channukah presents in Israel.


23 posted on 12/01/2010 12:55:46 PM PST by Shimmer1 (Don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: Sacajaweau

24 posted on 12/01/2010 12:56:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: Yaelle
As I perused the many bins, I found that every single roll of wrapping paper had Christmas themes or colors.

Good. Christmas in coming up, you know.

Wasn't it to not exclude the other religions who might possibly be celebrating Chanukah, Eid, Kwanzaa, or the Winter Solstice, all of which are equally important in the politically correct society?

Go start your own country, celebrate pickled crab shells.

25 posted on 12/01/2010 12:56:43 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Responsibility2nd

#18... so close to the truth


26 posted on 12/01/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Frantzie

I need to look at other Targets, I guess. Don’t live in a very Jewish district...


27 posted on 12/01/2010 12:57:37 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: frogjerk

Kwanzaa is sooooooooo bogus


28 posted on 12/01/2010 12:58:15 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT ( =^..^=)
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To: humblegunner

The way the country is headed, maybe its better to divide it up into 300 million fiefdoms and start from there.


29 posted on 12/01/2010 12:58:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Shimmer1
My Israeli dil

Dil? Isn't that a pickle?


30 posted on 12/01/2010 12:59:13 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: GeronL
The way the country is headed, maybe its better to divide it up into 300 million fiefdoms and start from there.

I read a book about that once.

I recall enjoying it.

31 posted on 12/01/2010 1:01:03 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: mnehring

There is no war against “holidays” or “holy days.” There is a war against Christmas. In the moronic quest to be politically correct, retailers try to AVOID using the word Christmas, in the same vein as Hollywood using their films as anti-Christian propaganda. And mind you, I am offended against the anti-Christmas trend, and I am not Christian! :)


32 posted on 12/01/2010 1:03:05 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Responsibility2nd

Let the feats of strength begin!!


33 posted on 12/01/2010 1:04:19 PM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: frogjerk
Yes, people spending billions of dollars on gifts for Holydays they don't celebrate.

Amen.

Christmas is a Christian Holiday--if you're not a Christian then don't celebrate it just as I don't celebrate Hanukkah because I'm not Jewish.

Here's a suggestion--go party with the muslims and see if they'll let you water their religion down.

34 posted on 12/01/2010 1:05:46 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Often, especially if there are kids, there will be a gift every night for all 8 nights. Now, these gifts are often a book or other educational things, with one night being for charitable donations, one night for Grandparent gifts, etc. I like to give unusual candies, because the kids love them as much as some expensive piece of junk. But yes, money is traditional for Chanukah gifts, and in America it’s been about presents, due to the proximity to Christmas.


35 posted on 12/01/2010 1:06:35 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
And mind you, I am offended against the anti-Christmas trend, and I am not Christian! :)

Well I am and I say, let them have what's left of Christmas and let the Christians go back to celebrating the birth of the Savior. We'll call it something different and unique, like "Jesus' Birthday"

36 posted on 12/01/2010 1:06:59 PM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: Yaelle
Sure do and unless I'm wrong most posters I think missed your point (lol)

You've go Santa saying happy holidays and holiday trees for sale - just silliness. The holiday is Christmans. It's packaged and sold as Christmas but we are supposed to be somehow sensitive and refrain from actaully saying it...sheesh.

I was pleasantly surprised when entering our local supermarket the sign on the door said MERRY CHRISTMAS.

37 posted on 12/01/2010 1:08:10 PM PST by fml
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To: humblegunner

Sounds like a good book, did they label it science fiction or something?


38 posted on 12/01/2010 1:08:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Yaelle
So for all these decades, we have complained about Christmas becoming commercialized. Christmas trees in the stores earlier and earlier. Christmas in July sales. Everybody selling Christmas related trinkets and happy meals all over the place.. nothing but 'commercial' Christmas..

..yet, when ‘commercial’ industry says “OK” you don't want Christmas so commercialized and changes it to Holiday, we demand our commercialized Christmas back?

Yep, nothing screams CHRISTmas like a mom bringing her kids to Wal Mart at 4AM, shoving her way in line to be the first for whatever Elmo is the item that year, then getting in someone’s face for saying Happy Holiday instead of Merry Christmas.

Maybe we should be cleaning our own houses, putting the Christmas back in Christ and the Holy back in Holiday instead of worrying what all these commercial ventures are doing.

39 posted on 12/01/2010 1:08:28 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Yaelle

Ask them for “holiday wrap” with balloons and giraffes on it and watch their head explode.


40 posted on 12/01/2010 1:12:59 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What's black and white and red all over? HINT: Think White House)
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To: humblegunner

LOL, no, that would be my Israeli dill. My dil is a doll.


41 posted on 12/01/2010 1:22:56 PM PST by Shimmer1 (Don 't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference)
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To: Yaelle; CatDancer
“Seen any anti-Christmas idiocy out there?”

Work parties. Throughout various employment venues over the years I've seen the Christmas party become the Holiday party. Not that the Christmas party was ever particularly Christian, the Holiday party became the replacement PC term that was intended to not offend anyone. Which is not realistically possible.

This year, however, it's being called a “Winter Celebration.”

Sorry, I do not celebrate winter. Don't welcome it, don't like the cold, the dark, the often treacherous roads, the snow, sleet, ice, etc.

Anyway, I think this qualifies as anti-Christmas idiocy...

42 posted on 12/01/2010 1:24:15 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: humblegunner

It’s a Kosher pickle...


43 posted on 12/01/2010 1:27:14 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 679 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Kwanza is a ridiculous, made-up holiday without any kind of long-standing and time honored traditions to back it up.


44 posted on 12/01/2010 1:31:27 PM PST by cld51860
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To: Shimmer1

right, apparently giving gifts was an america invention to satisfy children jealous of their Christian counterparts celebrating Christmas


45 posted on 12/01/2010 1:31:27 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Yaelle
Seen any anti-Christmas idiocy out there?

Not having signs that say Christmas is "anti-Christmas idiocy" only if the purpose of Christmas is a commercial endeavor.

So, is your complaint that Christmas isn't somehow commercialized enough and you need yet more signage and blinking lights to remind you of Christ's birth?

I absolutely refuse to demand that the marketplace cater to me religiously since the marketplace is not where my faith rests.

I have unshakable faith in God and Jesus Christ.

I do not have unshakable faith in Target or Cost Plus. I do not need Cost Plus to tell me what season it is or how to celebrate the birth of our Lord. I need Cost Plus to have a decent price on marzipan and Speculaas.

Celebrating Christ's birth should not be affected in the least by whether or not Walmart/Kmart/Sears/Costco/Krogers/Sam's/Penney's/Target /Walgreens/etc. choose to call December 25th "Christmas" or not.

Our society has a very serious problem when we begin looking to the marketplace to stroke our egos and justify our faith through signs and commercials.

The only sign we need is in the Bible.

46 posted on 12/01/2010 1:43:01 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: frogjerk

LOL!! OMgosh, how hideous — but true.

This is a pretty black community and you see the Kwanzaa crap in the stores but I have yet to see a lot of it sold.


47 posted on 12/01/2010 1:45:05 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: humblegunner

You completely missed the point of my post. You’re like that a lot around here, aren’tcha?

I think it is GREAT that Cost Plus has so many creative designs of Christmas wrap. I just think they should call it Christmas wrap.


48 posted on 12/01/2010 1:47:45 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: fml
Sure do and unless I'm wrong most posters I think missed your point (lol)

Yes, it appears they did!!

People, I was not complaining about not finding Chanukah paper. I was very upset that this political correctness is so superficial they don't even CARE why they do it -- they are NOT GOING TO SAY THE BAD WORD CHRISTMAS even for Christmas wrapping paper!!

Here is someone seeing if the "Holiday" section covers any other holiday, because that is why they SUPPOSEDLY label everything "holiday" instead of Christmas, no? And the employees didn't get it, and a lot of Freepers on this thread don't get it. They are simply making sure they do not say CHRISTMAS!! Which I find offensive to Christians and to me as a fellow American.

49 posted on 12/01/2010 1:52:22 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
I just think they should call it Christmas wrap.

No doubt this is a huge problem for Rastafarians and Scientologists.

50 posted on 12/01/2010 1:54:02 PM PST by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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