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Mich. Burger King customer's death ruled homicide
Associated Press ^ | 12-10-10 | David Runk

Posted on 12/10/2010 9:32:09 PM PST by Newtoidaho

DETROIT (AP) — A 67-year-old man police believe was homeless died after being punched and knocked to the ground during a scuffle with a 20-year-old Burger King employee in Detroit, and authorities ruled the death a homicide Friday.

An autopsy determined Paul Cannon died from blunt force trauma to the head, said Dennis Niemiec, a spokesman for the Wayne County medical examiner's office. An earlier report suggested the punch may have caused Cannon to choke on his dentures, but Niemiec said the dentures played no role in the death.

The county prosecutor's office received a warrant request, and it was under review, according to spokesman Mark Bernardi, who didn't expect a charging decision to be made Friday. The employee was being held.

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TOPICS: Food; Society
KEYWORDS: fast; food; homeless
He didn't get it his way, apparently.
1 posted on 12/10/2010 9:32:13 PM PST by Newtoidaho
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To: Newtoidaho

Lucky this didn’t happen at Fudruckers, the jokes would be too easy.


2 posted on 12/10/2010 9:34:25 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Newtoidaho
Police said Cannon was reportedly causing a disturbance Thursday afternoon at the restaurant on the city's east side and tried to hit the worker, who swung back.

Remember, there are two sides to every story.

3 posted on 12/10/2010 9:34:35 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Sounds a little like self defense to me.


4 posted on 12/10/2010 9:45:15 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Yep, a 20 year old needs to defend himself against a 67 year old man.


5 posted on 12/10/2010 9:51:18 PM PST by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: doc1019

“Yep, a 20 year old needs to defend himself against a 67 year old man.”

Well of course they do. Should you just stand there and let someone attack you? If a 67 year old man attacked me I’d fight back.

I’ll go with the witnesses, whatever they say happened.


6 posted on 12/10/2010 9:57:42 PM PST by Persevero (7 days until the lame duck Congress goes home.)
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To: iowamark
I agree it's always wiser to gather the facts before deciding to join an angry mob.

Was the “death by homicide” a justifiable self-defense?

7 posted on 12/10/2010 9:58:43 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Persevero
Well of course they do. Should you just stand there and let someone attack you? If a 67 year old man attacked me I’d fight back.

Me too, and I'm 60. 67 isn't exactly feeble.

8 posted on 12/10/2010 10:17:21 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Newtoidaho

Now if he would have gone insider for a burger & cola he would have been killed a lot slower.


9 posted on 12/10/2010 10:24:37 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: doc1019
Yep, a 20 year old needs to defend himself against a 67 year old man.

I guess you'd prefer the 20 year old martyr himself.

10 posted on 12/10/2010 10:30:19 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: Centurion2000

No, just be civil and not punch someone.


11 posted on 12/10/2010 10:34:42 PM PST by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: Newtoidaho
Earlier that day...


12 posted on 12/10/2010 10:38:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Newtoidaho; doc1019; Persevero; Inyo-Mono; Centurion2000
Jack LaLanne is about 95. I would not mess with him


13 posted on 12/10/2010 10:41:05 PM PST by BBell
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To: doc1019

Wow. That was an ill-informed comment. I know more than a few 70 year olds who could DECK a 20 year old and then continue sipping their beer.

I’m guessin’ you don’t live Out West. :-)


14 posted on 12/10/2010 10:44:55 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool

Not to belabor the point, but to punch someone regardless of age in a business establishment is not acceptable.


15 posted on 12/10/2010 10:51:55 PM PST by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: doc1019

16 posted on 12/10/2010 10:56:31 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n20LxM5QlMk

Huh. The old white guy on the bus was also 67, where he beats up the punk thug.

Sorry though to hear about this old homeless guy. But, if he started throwing fists around, no surprise that the kid wouldn’t try to defend himself. Obviously not how either one of them wanted it to end.


17 posted on 12/10/2010 11:04:24 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: 21twelve

yep, this guy thought a 67 year old wouldn't do any damage to him...

18 posted on 12/10/2010 11:07:36 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 21twelve; doc1019

I have a hunch our FRiend doc just hasn’t met up with 60-plussers who still pack a mean punch. They’re as common as cattle out where I’m postin’ from!


19 posted on 12/10/2010 11:11:52 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: doc1019

Watch this and see if it doesn’t change your mind.

Subject: 67 year old Vietnam Vet gets harrassed by a punk on the bus - YoujoTube

http://www.youjotube.com/watch/bLQ3mXqAq_Y


20 posted on 12/10/2010 11:30:21 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Inyo-Mono

My 67 year old dad could kick the ass of this whippersnapper in a New York minute. We don’t know the whole story.


21 posted on 12/10/2010 11:32:25 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; Persevero; doc1019; Inyo-Mono

What astounds me the most about this story is that the 20 year old did not have enough sense to call the police, or at least call the manager over to deal with the unruly man. After all that is what the manager is there for, to deal with unruly people, and if it is beyond him/her call the police.

To punch a customer however reflects poorly on the business and should be avoided. The best thing to do is for the employee to just turn around and walk away from the scene and get the store manager. Fighting in self defense should be the last result.


22 posted on 12/11/2010 12:13:49 AM PST by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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To: JennysCool
I know more than a few 70 year olds who could DECK a 20 year old and then continue sipping their beer.

You ever been in a fistfight for your life? The vast, vast majority of 50+ men would be severely beaten by the vast, vast majority of 20 year old men.

And I post this as a white man raised in a really bad Chicago neighborhood,where if you went down, you had a good chance of being kicked into intensive care or worse, who at thirty-something knows my best brawling days are well behind me.

23 posted on 12/11/2010 12:45:10 AM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Persevero

Are we talking about a normal 67 year old man or are we talking about a 67 year old demented person who freaked out?
When I worked in the EMS, we got called for a 95 year old woman who was 5,2 and maybe 100lbs who wigged out in an nursing home. It took three young cops and two young EMTs to get her on the stretcher. She almost punted my head accross the room{ she was unharmed, but the Paramedic was kicked in the groin.It was a little funny because the Paramedic was, and still is, a Asshat}.
We called it “retard stength” A most UN-PC term to describe crazy strength.


24 posted on 12/11/2010 1:13:05 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: doc1019

He was a DETROIT homeless..bum. Civil? The bum was a total rejection of civility. People want to be homeless, fine, but don’t tell me they are ‘social’, or ‘civil’. Work, family, building support to and fro with the people you meet, is civil. The bum is classic, pure uncivil. The man went into a lousy Burger King, in a louse city, and created a disturbance because that is who he was. He took his chances, pushed himself around and lost.


25 posted on 12/11/2010 2:55:13 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: Wile E Coyote Genius

It’s Detroit, not Salt Lake. I doubt anyone looked up from their meal.


26 posted on 12/11/2010 2:57:45 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: Yorlik803

It’s odd that so many ‘crazy’ people are only crazy when it suits their benefit. They never walk out into heavy traffic thinking they are invisible. I call it situational craziness.


27 posted on 12/11/2010 3:01:21 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: Leisler

I have to remember that term.


28 posted on 12/11/2010 3:03:49 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Newtoidaho

I was listening to callers talk about this on WCHB-AM 1200 Detroit (Africanhyphenamerican talk radio) in the wake of this guys demise. A lot of Detroit callers very upset that people in the vicinity of the man continued to eat their meals or do their jobs if they happened to be employees. It didn’t surprise me that the guy who swung back, if that’s the case, was charged.


29 posted on 12/11/2010 3:14:10 AM PST by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: Newtoidaho

What a load of ****

He assaulted the employee first.


30 posted on 12/11/2010 4:25:17 AM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: doc1019

let a 67 year old pull a gun on you and say that.


31 posted on 12/11/2010 4:27:40 AM PST by mylife (Opinions ~ $1 Half Baked ~ 50c)
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To: triumphant values

Have to agree with that. Most 50+ year old guys aren’t going to be able to take on a healthy 20 year old. That’s why as I’ve grown older I’ve become better armed. I may not be able to beat the hell out of some clown anymore, but I’ll damn sure do worse.


32 posted on 12/11/2010 4:39:23 AM PST by Shellback Chuck
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To: triumphant values

There’s something else missing from this. There’s no mention of comparative size. I’m 64 but 6’5” and 290 pounds. Very, very few 20 year olds give me any grief.


33 posted on 12/11/2010 4:52:33 AM PST by xvq2er
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To: doc1019

Oh please....


34 posted on 12/11/2010 6:56:33 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: JennysCool

A few years ago two Minneapolis policemen were called to the home of 70 year old ex-Viking Carl Eller to investigate a civil disturbance. They tried to take the 6-6 270 pound Eller into custody. He picked up both cops with either hand and held them at arms length for a period of time before putting them down and allowing himself to be taken in.


35 posted on 12/11/2010 8:02:02 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Newtoidaho

“An earlier report suggested the punch may have caused Cannon to choke on his dentures, but Niemiec said the dentures played no role in the death”

Huh? Say what?


36 posted on 12/11/2010 1:00:39 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL! that’s a classic and a keeper.


37 posted on 12/11/2010 1:29:46 PM PST by Newtoidaho (Liberals are drooling buffoons backed by satanic goons.)
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To: driftless2

Whoa! Carl Eller? I believe it!


38 posted on 12/11/2010 4:34:30 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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