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King's lover Wallis Simpson was 'miserable, second-rate American woman' [Abdication 74 years ago]
UK Daily Telegraph ^ | 10 December 2010 | Andy Bloxham

Posted on 12/10/2010 10:24:24 PM PST by iowamark

Wallis Simpson was branded a 'miserable second-rate American woman' by BBC founder Sir John Reith after he learned Edward VIII was to abdicate to marry her, it has emerged in his diaries.

The eyewitness account of the abdication crisis by the corporation's then director general shows a distinct lack of appreciation for the divorcee....

He wrote a diary account of the events surrounding the address and extracts are featured in a collection of radio broadcasts, and television footage telling the Abdication story.

The material has been put online to commemorate the anniversary of the broadcast...

"He said that the King simply wasn't sane. He was going to realise later what he had done."

In the document the director general describes how he spoke to Edward's legal adviser Sir Walter Monckton a few minutes after the broadcast about Mrs Simpson.

Sir John wrote: "He said he couldn't find words for her. I said it was awful that all this crisis was caused by a miserable, second-rate American woman."

Before leaving he spoke to Edward telling him "Good luck, Sir" and shaking his hand and bowing.

Reith wrote: "What an occasion. What that young man has thrown away - a greater opportunity than any King or any man ever had."

The BBC Archive collection which is now online includes speeches when Edward was the Prince of Wales, showcases interviews after he became the Duke of Windsor and features other interviews with those who knew him and his wife.

A 1980s radio programme is also available featuring the journalist who first broke the story about the King's affair with Mrs Simpson.

In it he talks about the event that prompted his decision to file the scandalous scoop that ended Fleet Street's "conspiracy of silence".

For more information go to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/edward_viii/

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: abdication; edwardviii; georgevi; lordmonckton; milhist; monckton; mrssimpson; princeofwales; sandiego; uk
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King Edward VIII and Mrs. Simpson
1 posted on 12/10/2010 10:24:32 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

British media and our msm all the same. Hateful, destructive and vicious. to say nothing of the probably trash talking fed to the media by the royals.


2 posted on 12/10/2010 10:27:00 PM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/edward_viii/

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/a-day-that-shook-the-world-edward-viii-abdicates-2155307.html
“The Instant Expert: King Edward VIII”

http://www.thenational.ae/featured-content/channel-page/lifestyle/middle-article-list/the-instant-expert-king-edward-viii
“A Day That Shook The World: Edward VIII abdicates”

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/1053791.notsoblunt_words_that_stopped_coronation/
“Not-so-blunt words that stopped coronation”


3 posted on 12/10/2010 10:29:50 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark
What can be said. She made him feel more like a King than the crown of a nation.

I am reminded of Diocletian, who broke up the Empire, appointed successors and retired. When the inevitable conflict, nepotism, corruption etc happened and an old friend wrote to him asking him to again take up the sword for the good of the Empire he wrote back to him that...

“if you could see the size and quality of the fruit I grow in my gardens with my own hand, you would speak to me no more of Empires.”

They thought he was nutzo! But who had the last laugh? She was probably a juicy little peach. ;)

4 posted on 12/10/2010 10:31:51 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: onyx; iowamark

To myself for tomorrow.
I love this stuff.


5 posted on 12/10/2010 10:33:43 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I have long believed that PM Baldwin’s real problem with Edward VIII was not Mrs. Simpson’s divorces, but rather his sympathies for the Hitler regime. Baldwin foresaw that there was a terrible crisis looming with this spoiled young man who refused to accept his role as constitutional monarch.


6 posted on 12/10/2010 10:36:50 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

The guy musta had 2 glass eyes.


7 posted on 12/10/2010 10:41:02 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: All

Note that “Edward’s legal adviser Sir Walter Monckton” was later named the first Lord Monckton by Churchill. He is the grandfather of our current climate change hero Lord Monckton.


8 posted on 12/10/2010 10:43:22 PM PST by iowamark
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To: Carley

Count me in with them because those two were strange ducks and she was creepy ugly.


9 posted on 12/10/2010 10:47:17 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: iowamark
"He said that the King simply wasn't sane. He was going to realise later what he had done."

That's true love, baby. It's only people who haven't experienced it who rail about how "insane" it is.

10 posted on 12/10/2010 10:50:53 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: iowamark


King’s lover Wallis Simpson was ‘miserable, second-rate American woman’
[Abdication 74 years ago]

Note to the forum:
If you visit San Diego CA, go to the Hotel Del Coronado.
Not only will you be blown away by the wooden structure in the dining hall...
you can see a small cabin on the grounds that was noted for being
the private residence for Edward and Mrs. Simpson when they visited San Diego.

Also, you can walk the halls of the main motel and see photos from
the filming of “Some Like It Hot”.
The place is such an unbelievably huge wooden structure, I’m still
suprised that it hasn’t been destroyed by fire or termites.


11 posted on 12/10/2010 11:14:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: JennysCool; iowamark

She was reputedly a dominatrix of sorts with some, um, “interesting” talents. He was weak and in some ways a bit of a (small s) socialist in his beliefs, apparently didn’t follow the “proper” line about strikers etc in the Depression, later he became a fan of Adolf.


12 posted on 12/10/2010 11:17:02 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: JennysCool


That’s true love, baby. It’s only people who haven’t experienced it who
rail about how “insane” it is.

IIRC, there was a recent scientific study that concluded that
“being in love” gives a high that’s nearly indistigusible from
the physiological effects of high-powered drugs like cocaine or heroin.

I’ve experienced the emotion. Even though I’m now a grumpy old man,
I’d agree with the conclusion!!!


13 posted on 12/10/2010 11:18:39 PM PST by VOA
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To: bgill


Count me in with them because those two were strange ducks and she was creepy ugly.

(I’m sure I’ll bungle this old saying)
“The rocks in his head fitted the holes in her head.”

Sounds like they were made for each other.


14 posted on 12/10/2010 11:20:38 PM PST by VOA
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To: 1066AD

I’ve heard the stories. I’m simply content to know that if he loved her enough to shake up the Crown, and throw away his birthright, then he truly loved her, for good or ill. And that’s not to be sneezed at.


15 posted on 12/10/2010 11:23:16 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: iowamark

I’m sure she couldn’t hold a candle to CAMILLA!

snort!snort!


16 posted on 12/10/2010 11:27:28 PM PST by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: Carley

Poor man was impotent and a fairy. She was one step up from a whore. They did England (and the world) a favor when he abdicated.


17 posted on 12/10/2010 11:30:44 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: allmendream

See my previous post. Wasnt about peaches.


18 posted on 12/10/2010 11:32:19 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: JennysCool

Agreed.


19 posted on 12/10/2010 11:33:31 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: VOA

The Hotel del also a couple of rooms that are haunted..And during the holidays it is worth a drive just to see the beautiful tree and decorations in the lobby...and the dining room you described has special buffets during the season..


20 posted on 12/10/2010 11:40:09 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: VOA

Ha! Well, join the club! :-) and FReegards!


21 posted on 12/10/2010 11:40:31 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: bgill

Photos dont do her justice. She was very stylish, elegant, charming. Plus had learned a lot of interesting things in China.


22 posted on 12/11/2010 12:10:59 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: 1066AD

Hmmm...you read the Charles Higham bio too?


23 posted on 12/11/2010 12:18:29 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: VOA

I flew in from Atlanta, played music in the ballroom there and stayed overnight. What a great place.


24 posted on 12/11/2010 12:26:10 AM PST by Chunga (The Democratic Party Is A Criminal Enterprise)
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To: JennysCool

The point is, he didnt want the crown and the throne. He wanted to play with his dogs and design jewelry.


25 posted on 12/11/2010 12:28:07 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bannie

Dont know why so many people here have it in for Camilla. That is a true live story.


26 posted on 12/11/2010 12:31:02 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

I don’t like chippies.


27 posted on 12/11/2010 12:36:27 AM PST by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: kabumpo
Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer. When WW2 broke out he was made a major general and assigned to the BEF in France. Edward and his entourage secured a stylish chateau about 75 miles behind the front.

When the Germans invaded through the Low Countries and into France, Edward deserted his command and fled to Portugal through Spain. While in Portugal he was put up by a banker friend who was well-connected to the German legation in Lisbon. The German Ambassador and Edward became fast friends and Edward told him the highest British secrets; the Ambassador informed Berlin. Edward even asked the ambassador if the Germans would secure his property in France from harm, and the Germans provided security until they were forced out of France. This was at the time his homeland fought for its life against Germany.

MI-6 kept PM Churchill well-informed of the former King's treason. Eventually, Churchill had a private meeting with King George VI. Churchill told the King about Edward's treason and proposed a choice: either the King would take care of Edward or MI-6 would. Churchill sent the wayward ex-King a message that if he did not return home, he'd be subject to court martial. The King sent a destroyer to Portugal in August 1940 and brought Edward out. He was shipped to the Bahamas and appointed Governor General. Edward held this post until the war in Europe ended.

Edward spent the rest of his life at a chateau outside Paris and several other vacation homes about Europe. He died in 1972.

28 posted on 12/11/2010 12:56:03 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: bgill

Both were Nazi lovers. Simpson was rumored to have had an affair with Von Ribbontrop.
They had to ship “the man who would be king” out of the country because the Brits were afraid that he would help the Nazis.


29 posted on 12/11/2010 12:58:12 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: iowamark
I highly doubt Baldwin saw the gathering storm. He was, in fact, the man who was primarily responsible for the policy of appeasement, not Chamberlain as is popularly believed. Chamberlain, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer (equivilent to the Secratary of the Treasury) begged Baldwin to increase defence spending, but he refused, and when he became PM, his policy was basically to put the inevitable war off for as long as possible while he built up the military that Baldwin had neglected. Chamberlain has a very bad rep which isn't fully deserved IMHO

But I digress. No, the reasons behind the abdication were the real ones. In any case, it wasn't just Baldwin's decision. The PMs of all the other Commonwealth dominions (Canada, Australia etc) were all opposed to the King marrying a divorcee as well, because it just wasn't the done thing in those more devoutly christian times....

30 posted on 12/11/2010 1:41:37 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: 1066AD

I read once where he liked to be diapered and put into a baby carriage


31 posted on 12/11/2010 2:31:37 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT ( JC Webster's fav words: "the boiling pits of sewage" roflmao)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“it just wasn’t the done thing in those more devoutly christian times....”

THAT is hysterically funny! The idea that people were more Christian in the past gets lumped with the term, “good old days” — good only because it’s all in the past!

What that means, is that one is less likely to be shocked nowadays by the “secrets” of friends as few are truly discrete and hide their unsavory behavior anymore. People today no longer live lies; less hypocrisy abounds in public. Open lives is more the norm now.


32 posted on 12/11/2010 2:42:06 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: iowamark
You are correct. It was a scandal at the time but England got the King it needed in George VI.

Edward VIII was always a physical, intellectual, and moral weakling and would have been awful as king.

During WW-II, the Brits had to get him out of England and sent him off to be Governor of Bermuda. He had to be kept under supervision as he was a complete self absorbed trouble maker.

33 posted on 12/11/2010 3:35:40 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: iowamark

BUMPY ride for England. According to one book I read Wallis listened to his broadcast from somewhere in Europe and cried. The author claimed that she didn’t want to be his wife but to continue as his mistress with all the extras that meant. Who knows? She was an illegitimate child whom no man would claim to be her father, according to the author of the book.


34 posted on 12/11/2010 4:10:01 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama: Hype and Chains.)
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To: MasterGunner01
He was shipped to the Bahamas and appointed Governor General. Edward held this post until the war in Europe ended.

Wow! The King sure taught him a lesson!

35 posted on 12/11/2010 4:41:01 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: bgill
Count me in with them because those two were strange ducks and she was creepy ugly.

She must have had the right skill set...

36 posted on 12/11/2010 4:43:31 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: SatinDoll

“THAT is hysterically funny!”

Not really. It is a clumsy way of saying that the CULTURE was shaped by religious values. People haven’t changed in their nature since Day One, but when Culture degrades societies collapse.


37 posted on 12/11/2010 4:53:17 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Jimmy Valentine

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor met Adolf Hitler in 1937. In 1970 he told one interviewer: “I never thought Hitler was such a bad chap.”

38 posted on 12/11/2010 4:58:56 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: iowamark

On December 11, 1936 it shocked the world when King Edward VIII announced that he was abdicating the throne to “marry the woman I love”.

39 posted on 12/11/2010 5:03:23 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MasterGunner01

40 posted on 12/11/2010 5:07:26 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

And she was still better than the Nazi-sympathizing inbred do-nothing deserved. Thanks iowamark.


41 posted on 12/11/2010 5:09:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: kabumpo
Holy cow. bought that book a million years ago at a used book store in Florida. Read it over and over. Never thought i'd see it referenced on FR. :)

I enjoy biographies over fiction any day of the week...and THIS story was, IMHO, definitely in the "you can't make this s**t up" category.

42 posted on 12/11/2010 5:18:55 AM PST by ZinGirl
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To: bannie

Isn’t that CAMILLER rather? Actually, Charles probably should have married Camilla rather than Diana in the first place. I’ve read that Camilla hadn’t married at that time and Charles was smitten with her; but Camilla herself (reportedly) thought she wasn’t suitable for that role. (Role-playing in life leads to all sorts of problems.) A lot of people think and thought that Diana was more beautiful; but evidently Charles was, is, and always has been in love with Camilla.


43 posted on 12/11/2010 5:42:35 AM PST by Twinkie (Doing nothing is the most tiring job there is; you can't quit and rest . .)
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To: kabumpo

Why do I have it in for Camilla? Because Edward VIII was at least damn honest enough to marry the gal that he really loved. Gave up everything for her. That’s true love. This whole Camilla thing is something else entirely.

Contrast to Charles who married Diana, cheated and broke her heart by taking up with Camilla while married to Diana.

That is simply unforgiveable. I hope Queen Elizabeth lives as long as her mom.


44 posted on 12/11/2010 6:02:09 AM PST by BenKenobi (Obama's book of the month, Herman Melville's Killin' Whitey)
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To: kabumpo

I disagree there is nothing romantic or loving about their relationship, it was pure selfishness.
If, as they have said, they always knew how they felt about each other, then neither of them should have married other people.
Once they brought other people into the mix as spouses, they became common adulterers. They made vows in front of God that they broke. Charles never intended to keep the vow. Camilla may have intended to keep hers at the time of her marriage, but she has said she became engaged to her first husband to make Charles jealous.

Charles socially and militarily outranked Camilla’s husband putting him in the position of acquiescing to his wife’s affair to hang onto his position and rank or losing it all if he exposed the Prince’s behavior with his wife. Diana I think was always wobbly emotionally, but was chosen for her good breeding and youth. She had the starry eyed notion that she was the fairy tale princess and others made her dream seem real.

I view them as immature and spoiled. Their selfishness wrecked many lives including their children’s.


45 posted on 12/11/2010 6:19:37 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: iowamark; windcliff

Madonna of all people is currently directing a movie about this.


46 posted on 12/11/2010 6:22:00 AM PST by stylecouncilor (What Would Jim Thompson Do?)
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To: kabumpo

And it meant exactly ‘what’ to you and the rest of the world????

How is it anyone’s business???


47 posted on 12/11/2010 6:22:40 AM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: iowamark

Well, we would never waste one of our first rate American women on a mere English king.


48 posted on 12/11/2010 6:51:06 AM PST by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: iowamark

King Edward was also pro-nazi.


49 posted on 12/11/2010 7:00:54 AM PST by rfreedom4u ("A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.")
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To: bannie

Chuck should have pulled an “Edward”: tell the royals to GTH and marry Camilla.


50 posted on 12/11/2010 7:16:21 AM PST by sportutegrl
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