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Not all cars sold in U.S. have parking lights. I was surprised!

Posted on 12/11/2010 7:04:09 PM PST by Sun

On our brand new 2011 Jetta, we just discovered a flaw,imo, no parking lights, only day-time FRONT lights (no lights rear of car). I was thinking that could be dangerous, because many people count on parking lights in the early dusk, and might think the day-time lights also have lights in the rear.

Some people also count on parking lights (with rear lighting) if they pull over to the side of the road, say with car trouble, and choose parking lights, rather than the hazard lights.

We thoroughly read the part on lights, so it won't be a problem for us, as we will only count on the regular headlights at night, but people who don't get a chance to read the vehicle's manual before they drive it might not know, so it seems to me it could be dangerous.

Otherwise, we really like the car, and it has lots of bang for the buck. We are on a tight budget, so got the least expensive Jetta, so the more expensive ones do have the parking light feature.


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Is this something that other manufacturers are doing? No parking lights?
1 posted on 12/11/2010 7:04:12 PM PST by Sun
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To: Sun

AFAIK, parking lights only are illegal at any time


2 posted on 12/11/2010 7:06:42 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Sun
IDK about parking lights, but from what I see on the road every day, it is clear that they don't put turn signals in SUV's any more.
3 posted on 12/11/2010 7:10:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sun
because many people count on parking lights in the early

That must be the reason. Good. People need illumination but run only parking lights, when they are not parked, think they are saving electricity. They probably put bricks in their tanks to save gas.

4 posted on 12/11/2010 7:12:08 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Sun

Daytime running lights are stupid


5 posted on 12/11/2010 7:12:44 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“it is clear that they don’t put turn signals in SUV’s any more.”

You woiuld think using a turn signal was hard labor, too many people don’t use them.

My husband turns his on too late, but he is getting better about that, due to my gentle reminding.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 7:13:51 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Just so I’m clear, let me verify what you mean. The headlight switch in my cars have always had three positions. Off, Parking Lights, and On.

1) Off=Off, or if there’s a sensor then it turns the headlights on automatically at night.

2) Parking Lights=Amber lights in the front and red lights in the back.

3) On=Headlights and amber lights in front and red lights in rear.

So are you saying that when you put the headlight switch into position # 2, “Parking Lights,” there’s amber lights in the front but no red lights in the back?


7 posted on 12/11/2010 7:14:03 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Sun

Parking lights? What for?

If you want to add it, I think this article should show you how. Evidently the wiring is already in place to make it work..

How to install a euroswitch on 2010 VW Golf, 2011 VW Jetta (and newer)

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a6/euroswitch-drl-vw-golf-jetta.htm


8 posted on 12/11/2010 7:14:50 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Sun
You shouldn't be driving with parking lights on, anyway, because they are called that for a reason.

That being said, this may come as a shock to residents of Riverside, Illinois, who (the last time I checked) still have to have their parking lights on if they park on the street after dark.

9 posted on 12/11/2010 7:15:16 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: nuconvert

“parking lights only are illegal at any time”

Then why do they put them on the more expensive cars?


10 posted on 12/11/2010 7:15:32 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I remeber that they didn’t start putting rear parking lights on VW Bugs until 1966. I had a ‘60. Never needed them.


11 posted on 12/11/2010 7:16:25 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Sun

Why are most indicator lights RED like brakes now? So now I have to wait ~1sec to tell if someone is indicating, or if they have a light error.

indicator lights should be ORANGE.


12 posted on 12/11/2010 7:16:55 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
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To: Sun

In conjunction with headlights, they’re fine, or if you are parked.
But you’re never supposed to drive with parking lights.


13 posted on 12/11/2010 7:17:58 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: hinckley buzzard

They don’t put gas pedals in mini vans.


14 posted on 12/11/2010 7:18:02 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: MarineBrat

Our car only has OFF and a symbol for headlights - only TWO choices. (We have no AUTO on this car).


15 posted on 12/11/2010 7:19:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: nuconvert

If you’re driving with your parking lights on, does that make sense? I always thought it dumb.


16 posted on 12/11/2010 7:19:54 PM PST by bicyclerepair (d-20, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida . . .)
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To: Sun

Driving with only parking lights makes as much since as driving on a parkway or parking in a driveway.


17 posted on 12/11/2010 7:20:01 PM PST by ThomasThomas (If bacon grew on trees I would be a vegetarian.)
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To: MarineBrat

P.S. The running lights (or daytime lights) come on whenever we start the car, but they ONLY light up in front, NOT the rear.


18 posted on 12/11/2010 7:20:49 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I’ve never had an occasion to turn on “parking” lights in my 53 years of driving!

A total waste.


19 posted on 12/11/2010 7:23:34 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

58 years.


20 posted on 12/11/2010 7:24:17 PM PST by dalereed
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To: ThomasThomas

“Driving with only parking lights makes as much since as driving on a parkway or parking in a driveway.”

Then they should not have the daytime lights go on automatically when starting the car, because after a hard days’ work, with a lighted parking lot, you might not realize you didn’t put your regular headlights on.

Then you go to the highway, and it could be dangerous.

Once I forgot to put on my headlights after being very tired, and the parking lot was bright. It only happened to me once, but once is all it takes.


21 posted on 12/11/2010 7:26:53 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
P.S. The running lights (or daytime lights) come on whenever we start the car, but they ONLY light up in front, NOT the rear.

My wife's '95 Lexus is like that. I think that is normal. However my Jeep's lights don't go on at all until I turn them on.

22 posted on 12/11/2010 7:27:29 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: dalereed

Once when my car broke down, a policeman told me to put on my parking lights.


23 posted on 12/11/2010 7:28:28 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
Is this something that other manufacturers are doing? No parking lights?

Sounds like there's something wrong with your particular car. If you Google Jetta and parking lights they appear to be equipped with them.

24 posted on 12/11/2010 7:28:42 PM PST by mupcat
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To: Inyo-Mono

“My wife’s ‘95 Lexus is like that. I think that is normal”

I guess if they didn’t put them on a Lexus, they must not be so necessary, but I wonder why they put them on other cars?


25 posted on 12/11/2010 7:30:57 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dalereed

So you are saying that if one is driving in, say early twilight, and headlights are not yet needed, but you want to ensure that the other drivers can easily see your car, that you would never use your parking lights while driving?


26 posted on 12/11/2010 7:33:29 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: mupcat

“Sounds like there’s something wrong with your particular car. If you Google Jetta and parking lights they appear to be equipped with them.”

What’s “wrong” with our particular car is that it is the cheapest one they make. lol

The owner’s manual also showed a diagram, and our car has no choice for parking lights, because it doesn’t exist on our particular model.


27 posted on 12/11/2010 7:34:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Interesting. It’s not very often when I use my parking lights, but when I need them I need them. I’m an amateur astronomer, and once a month my friends and I head out to the desert or mountains with our scopes. The ability to navigate without messing up everyone’s night vision is very important to us.

I hope this isn’t what the future holds for all cars.


28 posted on 12/11/2010 7:35:04 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: MarineBrat

“I hope this isn’t what the future holds for all cars.”

I hope it’s always an option, at least, and I hope drivers will READ their owner’s manual before that first drive, particularly the section on LIGHTS.

If you counted on your daytime lights, thinking they were parking lights, you would not have the rear lights, and somebody could get hurt.


29 posted on 12/11/2010 7:38:43 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: qam1

ANYTHING that makes you more visible is a good idea, for safety. Rethink your statement, lest you be considered stupid yourself-!


30 posted on 12/11/2010 7:38:45 PM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: qam1

“Daytime running lights are stupid”

What I find to be STUPID, plus quite ANNOYING is these morons that INSIST on driving around DAY or NIGHT with their fog/driving lights on!

For Pete’s sakes, people!

Unless the weather conditions call for it, turn the flaming things OFF!

These lights came with my truck when I bought it new 2 years ago and still have had no need to turn them on.


31 posted on 12/11/2010 7:48:44 PM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: mountn man

I despise mini vans.


32 posted on 12/11/2010 8:00:18 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Sun

I wish the lights would come on automatically when the wipers are in use. Not so much for myself. I’m always amazed at the number of people who drive in the rain without lights on. It makes it kinda hard to see someone in those conditions.


33 posted on 12/11/2010 8:02:54 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Howie66

Problem is that no one has fog lights anymore. Fogs are an amber or yellowish color to break through the haze of fog without glaring back at you. Today’s additional lights are actually driving lights, even though they are called fog lights. So, it is actually okay to drive with them. However, real driving lights work in conjunction with your high beams and only your high beams for added lighting on dark roads. As soon as you flip your highs off they turn off, same way fogs work with your lows etc....

I only know this because I’ve installed both types of lights and had to make sure I was road legal so I did lots of research into the subject. But you are right that there are many idiots who drive with them on the sunniest of days.


34 posted on 12/11/2010 8:02:56 PM PST by TheRevolution1776 (2nd Amendment applies also to religous threats. I don't call 911 even after your down.)
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To: Texas Fossil
That repair link reminds me of an experience a month ago with our 96 Mercury Grand Marquis.

The turn signal bulbs would light but not flash. Looked all around for the turn signal flasher plugin but it does not exist. Turns out that it is a relay built into an $800 nonrepairable Lighting Control Module box (LCM). Idiots! Do they not think that turn signal flashing contacts wear out!

Thank god for the net. Found instructions on how to cut the white-red and blue wires to the LCM and jumper them with a turn signal flasher plugin. Two hours of head time under the dash and a $7 flasher and things are fine again.

35 posted on 12/11/2010 8:04:41 PM PST by dickmc
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To: wally_bert

Same here.


36 posted on 12/11/2010 8:05:21 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

Back in the mid 90s, I worked some as a reservations agent for a major car rental company. Every weekend and major holiday, people with accents would call endlessly about wanting to rent a “mini-ban”. They would pay outrageous rental fees just for a day or two.


37 posted on 12/11/2010 8:13:38 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: dalereed

I’d hate to be in front of you,(in a little car) at the drive-thru window.


38 posted on 12/11/2010 8:16:09 PM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: Sun
While stationed in Germany in 1965 I got pulled over by the German Polizei for "driving with my parking lights on". Well, it was a dark, stormy day and that's what we did in the states.

Evidently "parking lights" are for PARKING ONLY in Germany.

Cost me a 20DM fine...and then, you had to pay the cop right on the spot - no court or anything. If you had only American money, they would keep your car and make you go and get Deutsch Marks and come back to pay the fine.

Luckily, I was in Mainz and only a couple of blocks from the bank.

You bet your SA I never drove with PARKING LIGHTS on again over there.
39 posted on 12/11/2010 8:19:35 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: nuconvert; Sun

“AFAIK, parking lights only are illegal at any time”

I know that is the case in CA, but in all states?


40 posted on 12/11/2010 8:24:23 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Elderberry

Yes!!!


41 posted on 12/11/2010 8:25:18 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Sun

Ask the dealer; they are probably broken. Seriously, I hate to break it to you, but you have made a monumental mistake in buying VW. They are without a doubt, the most laughably worst-built cars I could ever imagine. My wife drove one when me met, a Beetle. Re-engineered from the ground up means that they resolutely refused to do anything that common sense or 100 years of automotive history would tell any reasonable person to do. Changing a headlight lamp is normally a 2 minute procedure; in a VW Beetle, it’s about as much work as replacing a transmission.

They ran the electrical wires from the back of the car, through the middle of the car seats, right through the ash tray (which is in the back of the front seats, unaccessible to a front-seat passenger). Neither of us smoke, but any time anyone opened the ashtray for any reason (such as asking, “WTF is this the ash tray?), they’d pull out the wiring for the headlights. That’s right. The headlights’ wiring ran through the ashtray, which was in the back of the carseat.


42 posted on 12/11/2010 8:26:55 PM PST by dangus
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To: ConservativeChris

since i’ve never been to a drive up window and never will, you don’t have anything to worry about.

I don’t use them at the bank and I won’t eat at a fast food joint.


43 posted on 12/11/2010 8:26:55 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dangus

In all seriousness, it’s easier to change a battery in a Buick than a headlight in a VW. Let that sink in for a while.


44 posted on 12/11/2010 8:28:39 PM PST by dangus
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To: wally_bert
Never get behind (or anywhere near) a mini van with a woman driver w/ kids. Driving is the LAST thing she's thinking about or doing.

The only time I've seen a mini van do the speed limit, is on the back of a tow truck.

45 posted on 12/11/2010 8:35:47 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: dickmc

Building cars is about making money, not a good product.

Expensive parts are lucrative for manufacturers. Even V-belts of odd lengths. Crap.

There was a time when manufacturers made products that simply worked and parts were interchangeable between models.

No longer. It is just a scam now.


46 posted on 12/11/2010 8:35:57 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: qam1

Daytime running lights contribute to global warming.


47 posted on 12/11/2010 8:41:04 PM PST by idkfa
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To: mountn man

I have made the same observation many years back. When there is a traffic tie up/slowdown/annoyance, there is usually a minivan driver. Maybe someone could make a parody of the Beatles song Paperback Writer (which I like) and call in Minivan Driver.


48 posted on 12/11/2010 8:42:46 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: bicyclerepair

Parking lights first appeared on cars in the late 30’s. Their original purpose was when parked or broken down on the side of the road to warn other traffic. People soon realized that they also offer slightly better visibility at dusk or dawn, as well as foggy and rainy conditions.


49 posted on 12/11/2010 8:43:18 PM PST by Impala64ssa
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To: hinckley buzzard

They’re catching up with honda then.


50 posted on 12/11/2010 8:47:20 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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