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Apple’s Greatest Advantage: The Apple Ecosystem
GigaOM ^ | Dec. 10, 2010, 1:00pm PDT | By Jon Buys

Posted on 12/11/2010 9:55:10 PM PST by Swordmaker

Google’s power in the mobile computing world seems to grow with every new product announcement and Android device that comes to market. But for all its reach, the search giant is missing one piece of the puzzle that Apple does better than anyone else: product integration.

It starts with one device. Maybe it’s an iPod; maybe it’s a first Mac; but from that first product, you discover Apple’s unique take on technology. Apple treats each device it manufactures with care, sweating the little details like font choices and icon design, and thinking about how it all fits together. Each device Apple creates plays a part in the overall ecosystem, and the links between them are clear.

I recently stepped outside the cozy Apple ecosystem and purchased an Android phone, the HTC Desire. It was on sale at a steep discount, and I thought I would be able to integrate it into my work/life flow. I was wrong, and the phone is being returned.

The phone was powerful, and had some very interesting features, but it was so entirely different from the rest of my Mac setup that nothing felt right. I could go into detail about application crashes, frustrating hardware, the sordid Android Market (I wouldn’t let my kids browse through it), and other annoyances, but suffice to say that it simply didn’t measure up to the expectations I’ve developed from using Apple devices.

Apple is the only computer company that creates all of its own hardware and software; they control the entire package. Personal computers are a mishmash of parts and pieces from different sources. Hardware from one company, software from another. By contrast, many modern smartphone and computer makers get hardware from one place, and an operating system from another. BlackBerry-maker Research in Motion is a notable exception to this rule, but a recent interview with their co-CEO Mike Lazaridis seems to suggest the company’s leadership at least has little sense of what smartphone consumers really want.

HP, which recently purchased Palm, is another exception to the rule. The stage is set for the computing giant to build its own tightly integrated smartphone environment, if they have any interest in doing so. HP now sells the Palm Pre, but unfortunately, the Pre, once seen to be a strong iPhone competitor, seems to be lagging behind. Not a single one of these companies can design and test integration between phones, tablets, computers, and online services as well as Apple can, because none controls each of these aspects the way Apple does.

Does Apple’s degree of control occasionally border on the excessive? Yes. But consumers end up benefitting from that control more often than they are harmed. It’s only because Apple controls the entire product line that you can rent Inception in iTunes on your Mac, and know that it will play on your iPad, your iPhone, and your Apple TV. It works reliably, consistently and predictably.

When you live in the Apple ecosystem, you make a deal with Apple: I’ll pay you, and in exchange, you make sure everything plays nicely together. Google doesn’t seem to be interested in providing that kind of tightly integrated experience, at least not yet.  What Apple does best is remember that technology only exists to serve its users, and goes far beyond a list of features and hardware specs. And that’s why Apple will continue to drive the future of computing, regardless of whether Google and others end up winning the numbers game.


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1 posted on 12/11/2010 9:55:12 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ...
Apple's advantage: the Apple Ecosystem—PING!

Please No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!

Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
 PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

 


Apple Ecosystem Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 12/11/2010 9:59:27 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

sorry, but this is a “Puff Piece”
My iphone battery life is poor and the phone does things I dont ask it to do..
and wont do things I do ask it to do....
and AT&T service sucks
I also got charges for things I didnt order...
You may say thats not Apples problem, but I beg to differ...they have joined with AT&T in an exclusive deal and so I blame them BOTH.


3 posted on 12/11/2010 10:03:30 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: LtKerst
I found some unexpected charges on my AT&T phone bill. I called up AT&T; apparently, they can block 3rd parties from billing your account. I highly suggest doing that. The charges on my bill had been set up by Debbie Saunders, and I keep getting messages for her at home--but I know no one by that name.
4 posted on 12/11/2010 10:28:21 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Swordmaker

Interesting regarding mention of an Apple ecosystem. never thought of it that way. At this moment, I’m typing this on a ten-year old Mac G4 that I bought for a little over $100. It’s running OS X, and is fully compatible with all my other Apple gear, including my iPod, iPad and MacBook. Try installing Windows 7 or Vista on a ten-year old PC and see if you can run your Windows apps - not an easy task. Many people I know have switched to Apples because everything just works without hassles.


5 posted on 12/11/2010 10:29:41 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Swordmaker

I agree on one item. My Android phone is awesome except it has no integrated music management system. Win amp is getting close, but it is still not as convenient as my IPod with Itunes.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 10:33:48 PM PST by Psycho_Runner (I never voted for change, I prefer folding money.)
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To: LtKerst

“the phone does things I dont ask it to do..”

Boy that says it all. I had to hold my nose and install iTunes on this PC last week after discovering it was the only way to burn some CDs that I’d paid to download. Had I known that in advance I never would have done so. I hate hate hate iTunes, as the first experience it crashed a hard drive.

For those who like the Apple experience, fine and good. But being given no choice is kinda like living in a world where NPR was the only station on the radio dial.


7 posted on 12/11/2010 10:35:25 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: Swordmaker

“Get ‘em in young and brainwash them. Condition them like Pavlov’s dogs to pant and salivate when they see the Apple logo. Condition them to unquestioningly buy Apple products”

“Condition them so that daggers will shoot out of their eyes (like in Village of the Damned) at anyone uncool enough to buy a Windows laptop”


8 posted on 12/11/2010 11:21:12 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Swordmaker

After 7 or 8 PCS, I Bought a MacBook Pro two weeks ago. Very clean, well thought out product, but no Delete key? and no right mouse button?

One very good feature is the magnetic external power connection, a big improvement over female socket connections soldered to a mother board, which are so prone to damage.


9 posted on 12/11/2010 11:51:04 PM PST by Dagnabitt ("Obama" - Swahili for "Fail")
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To: dennisw
“Condition them so that daggers will shoot out of their eyes (like in Village of the Damned) at anyone uncool enough to buy a Windows laptop”

That's pity, not anger.

10 posted on 12/11/2010 11:57:00 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Dagnabitt

I just bought a MacBook Air and it has been frustrating.......going back to my desktop PC at work and having to wait for everything. My MacBook boots up faster than a lot of programs load on a PC, 14 seconds.


11 posted on 12/11/2010 11:59:47 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Dagnabitt

I just looked at a picture of a MacBook Pro and there is a delete key on the upper right corner of the keyboard. I also think you can get right click functions by clicking with two fingers on the touchpad.


12 posted on 12/12/2010 12:05:19 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Dagnabitt
and no right mouse button?

You didn't notice that there wasn't a left mouse button, either?

You can click with two fingers for a right click. Or hold down the control key and click, or use a USB or bluetooth mouse. In the system preferences (in the Apple menu), you can also designate the right-hand side of the trackpad as a right-click spot.

13 posted on 12/12/2010 12:14:35 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Dagnabitt
and no right mouse button?

You didn't notice that there wasn't a left mouse button, either?

You can click with two fingers for a right click. Or hold down the control key and click, or use a USB or bluetooth mouse. In the system preferences (in the Apple menu), you can also designate the right-hand side of the trackpad as a right-click spot.

14 posted on 12/12/2010 12:16:05 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Dagnabitt

A basic tutorial for Windows-to-Mac switchers: http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#switcher


15 posted on 12/12/2010 12:17:23 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: bigbob
An application crashed a hard drive -- all by its lonesome? On what OS?
16 posted on 12/12/2010 12:19:22 AM PST by TXnMA (Ain't science wonderful?!?)
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To: Dagnabitt; USNBandit
I haven't looked an Air, but my MacBook Pro has a key labeled "delete" at the upper right of the keyboard -- and it gets lots of use! '-}

Control-click works -- as well as two-finger click -- for right-click -- and I'm not always hitting the wrong trackpad button like I do on my Dell Laptop.

17 posted on 12/12/2010 12:31:29 AM PST by TXnMA (Ain't science wonderful?!?)
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To: TXnMA
My only problem is that I sometimes overshoot the delete button and hit the power button. I end up canceling out of a lot of shutdowns after that. I do like how the buttons on the top of the keyboard actually work. I had an HP laptop where they would stop functioning and then you didn't have any control over things like the volume. That was about the time the Windows Explorer was going into (not responding) mode.

The Air is, so far, a great machine. I'm going on my first business trip with it this week. I'm looking forward to not having all the weight from the old laptop in my backpack.

18 posted on 12/12/2010 12:38:53 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Swordmaker

My wife and daughter each have an iPhone, and I find that using iTunes is kind of a pain. I used to sync up my daughter’s iPhone, but now she claims that she loses a whole bunch of data (phone numbers etc.) whenever it gets synced, so now won’t let me sync her iPhone to the computer, thus failing to get whatever new songs and apps are loaded in it. Maybe I was somehow doing it wrong, but if so, it’s not very intuitive.


19 posted on 12/12/2010 1:21:33 AM PST by Texan Tory
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To: dennisw

Your post is classic projection. It describes exactly your opinion but you project it onto us Apple fans. Get a life dennis! You must stop living just to make an ass of yourself on these threads.

You have been told over and over there are 500+ of us who asked Swordmaker to keep us posted on Apple products and activities. We are not here to decide between products and we don’t appreciate your constant negative interference. I imagine you may be about to go the way of some past detractors.


20 posted on 12/12/2010 1:55:46 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Swordmaker

Sorry, but I used your name in #20 and failed to ping you.


21 posted on 12/12/2010 1:56:54 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Swordmaker

For this to be their greatest advantage, takes me back back to the 80’s when this was considered their biggest weakness.

Apple had the market, but they became obsessed with proprietary control. Lotus 1-2-3 emerged on the DOS platform from a little unknown company that pushed everyone to the PC world.

Innovation almost always comes from small companies, almost never from large corporations. It comes from individuals with ideas. When companies get too large, they behave like governments. Google, Facebook, any new large scale thing has come from small groups of people, almost never from committees and think tanks.

This is what actually got Apple back into the market place, as they were behaving like a small company, they became innovative, and they were working against the giant Microsoft.

But things are cyclic, and my take on it, is that Apple has once again grown too big for its britches. They are becoming cumbersome, and they are going right back to what got them screwed in the first place, their inability to maneuver, which is what is putting them right on par with Microsoft.

Combine the Committee-Think of a large corporation with the sole proprietary control that blocks out innovation from the real thinkers of the world (usually college age kids) and I think you will see Apple stagnate once again.

The only way to keep their base in this event, is to keep the product trendy looking, keep the advertising sharp, continue to market themselves towards the technically challenged, and to place themselves as the tool of choice for those who are “eco friendly” and “globally minded”.

I predict you will see less focus on technology from them in the future, and even more focus on the “lifestyle” that they represent.


22 posted on 12/12/2010 2:02:37 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: LtKerst
My iphone battery life is poor and the phone does things I dont ask it to do.... and wont do things I do ask it to do....

Which iPhone model do you have? My iPhone4, under normal usage, lasts for three days before requiring charging; under heavy usage, a day and a half. As to NOT doing what you ask, I suggest a little more specificity.

As to AT&T suck age, that depends on where you are.

As to being charged for thing you did not order? Call AT&T and tell them you did not order it and refuse to pay. They will remove the charges. Blame who you will.

23 posted on 12/12/2010 2:56:07 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Dagnabitt
After 7 or 8 PCS, I Bought a MacBook Pro two weeks ago. Very clean, well thought out product, but no Delete key? and no right mouse button?

it has both. Always has had them. You just have to know how to use them on a MacBook. Why not try reading how to use the features of your MacBook Pro before criticizing it about things you don't know about yet. In this instance the Delete key is the Fn-BackSpace combination. Right Click is tap your track pad with two fingers after you have turned on track pad gestures if you haven't already.

24 posted on 12/12/2010 3:25:19 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Texan Tory
My wife and daughter each have an iPhone, and I find that using iTunes is kind of a pain. I used to sync up my daughter’s iPhone, but now she claims that she loses a whole bunch of data (phone numbers etc.) whenever it gets synced, so now won’t let me sync her iPhone to the computer, thus failing to get whatever new songs and apps are loaded in it. Maybe I was somehow doing it wrong, but if so, it’s not very intuitive.

The best way to handle iPhones is to have each synch to a separate user account on the computer. That way each will have it's own address book, photos, and playlists in iTunes. You can share an iTunes store account so apps and tunes can be purchased only once and shared across the devices.

25 posted on 12/12/2010 4:06:33 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Thanks for the secondary ping. I appreciate the courtesy.


26 posted on 12/12/2010 4:11:18 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: roadcat
Try installing Windows 7 or Vista on a ten-year old PC and see if you can run your Windows apps - not an easy task.

Try running Office 2011 on your G4. It is Intel Mac only. Adobe's latest offering require Intel Macs..

27 posted on 12/12/2010 4:15:09 AM PST by EVO X
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To: dennisw

Why insult your fellow FReepers just because we like better technology that works better than something else? I’ve been a Mac user for five years now, virus free, crash free and enjoying the tools.

The fact that some people who run or are associated with the company are not conservative is overshadowed by the products that just work the way I want them to. I would think fellow Freepers would, of all people, allow us the FREEDOM to choose what computer we use without peeing in the cornflakes.


28 posted on 12/12/2010 5:37:50 AM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: esoxmagnum
Combine the Committee-Think of a large corporation with the sole proprietary control that blocks out innovation from the real thinkers of the world (usually college age kids) and I think you will see Apple stagnate once again.

The only way to keep their base in this event, is to keep the product trendy looking, keep the advertising sharp, continue to market themselves towards the technically challenged, and to place themselves as the tool of choice for those who are “eco friendly” and “globally minded”.

I predict you will see less focus on technology from them in the future, and even more focus on the “lifestyle” that they represent.

Your first wrong assumption is that Apple operates like every other committee driven large corporation. It doesn't.

Your next wrong assumption is that Apple markets to the technically challenged. An excellent user interface that works is not marketing to the technically challenged, it's marketing to people who appreciate excellent good engineering, and those who are fed up with crappy engineering.

The final poor assumption you make is the idea that Apple markets to the Eco freaks... While they DO make their products to the highest standards, higher than any other computer company, they really don't market it so... In fact have earned Greenpeace's ire numerous times for not trumpeting what they rightfully can claim. Just last week, GP twigged them once again, listing them 13th most Eco-friendly computer maker, below companies with more polluting products because Apple doesn't TALK and crow enough about what they do and plan to do " green" wise!

Analysts who do know about how Apple has done what it has accomplished say that the reason it continually innovates is that it acts like a perpetual start-up... Innovation in tech has been coming from Apple in the last five years and your prediction flies in the face of that inconvenient fact.

The most recent of these innovations is the iPad. All of this has innovative technology at its core, not "lifestyle." what it does have is the integrated user interface that makes the technology useable for average people and techies alike. Apple brings the power to people to do pro level work without having to BE techies.

Apple has not become the number one Tech company (and number two over all US market cap) in the World because of the reasons you so blythely assume people buy their products. It's NOT because sharp advertising of trendy looking products to technically challenged people. It's because APPLE sell excellently designed and WELL thought out innovative products, that work well together, with superb technical support, that just work, and have worked hard with other manufacturers to provide a growing ecosystem of third-party accessories, software, and services that tie seamlessly into Apple's product line. Apple and Steve Jobs have a road map of innovation that they are following... One of the key components is another innovation: AppleTV... It ties your all your iDevices into your HD TVs and home stereo systems.

29 posted on 12/12/2010 5:42:04 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker
I enjoyed your post about the engineering of Apple products a. I am considering buying a new computer in the next year or so.

This is probably unrelated to the thread but there is something that just drives me nuts about my current computer: the wires!

I have soooo many wires coming out of the back of every device going to my computer that my husband and I literally have them labeled. Also...why are all these ports so incredibly inconvenient to access?

For example, my speakers didn't work yesterday. It turns out that my daughter had borrowed them while we were traveling and she put the speaker into the wrong port on the computer. It was a **BIG DEAL** to pull out the desk, pull out the computer, trace the wire, locate the port (on the **back** of the computer, of course) , and finally put everything back together again.

Why is everything labeled in dark grey, with tiny print, on a black surface. Who can read or see that THAT? Is inability to read or see things supposed to be “kool”?

Also “cord management” is a house cleaning nightmare!

What are these engineers THINKING! ????

When I go to the computer store, or a place like Best Buys, and voice my frustration and concern, the techies ( just past adolescence) selling this stuff just stare at me in stunned unblinking incomprehension.

30 posted on 12/12/2010 6:05:38 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

LOL finally, you and I agree on something! I think we should start looking for the end to come soon! :)


31 posted on 12/12/2010 6:22:08 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Swordmaker

While we are in a thanksgiving mood, I wanted to thank you for the North Point iBand youtube link a week or so back. Sent it to a couple friends, and they all send it around. Cool stuff. Thanks again.


32 posted on 12/12/2010 6:24:40 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

The North Point iBand was great, wasn’t it?


33 posted on 12/12/2010 6:35:49 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Wow I feel those daggers shooting out of your eyes right now.


34 posted on 12/12/2010 6:35:59 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: wintertime
For example, my speakers didn't work yesterday. It turns out that my daughter had borrowed them while we were traveling and she put the speaker into the wrong port on the computer. It was a **BIG DEAL** to pull out the desk, pull out the computer, trace the wire, locate the port (on the **back** of the computer, of course) , and finally put everything back together again.

Why is everything labeled in dark grey, with tiny print, on a black surface. Who can read or see that THAT? Is inability to read or see things supposed to be “kool”?

I have all those colored ports memorized but still I need a flashlight. To reconnect (average type) speakers you turn on all room lights AND use a flashlight and magnifying glass. Also your computer or motherboard manual will tell you what port is what

For regular old speakers you want middle port on the bottom of an array of six ports. Six audio ports is the typical PC arrangement these days. Half (the top three)  are digital audio which you can forget

35 posted on 12/12/2010 6:42:49 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw
I have all those colored ports memorized but still I need a flashlight. To reconnect (average type) speakers you turn on all room lights AND use a flashlight and magnifying glass. Also your computer or motherboard manual will tell you what port is what

Yep! I forgot the flashlight and magnifying glass part. Honestly! What are these geeky engineers **thinking**?

All products should be given the "Grandma Test". If their grandmother can figure it out easily ( without spending two days reading a 169 page "mother board manual" then it's ready for the market.

36 posted on 12/12/2010 6:52:12 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Swordmaker
Companies should make an extra effort to hire former Apple employees – They know everything and the best way to do anything.

Just ask them. On second thought, you don't need to ask – They'll tell you whether you ask or not.

37 posted on 12/12/2010 6:58:52 AM PST by Bob
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To: esoxmagnum
I am far from technically challenged, but I don't want my computer to be a hobby. I just want it to work. Too many of of the techno-geeks around here think the other 95% us enjoy tinkering with computers. Been there done that and I'd rather spend that time doing other things. I have enough hobbies, I don't want messing with my computer to be one of them. As long as Apple keeps putting out products that work with no hassle, I'll be a loyal customer. Especially when those products can be integrated seamlessly.

I'll be making the jump from satellite to Apple TV probably within 5 months, and replacing my HP with an iMac within a year. An HP that has gone in for service 4 times, had to be system restored 5 times within the past 5 years.

38 posted on 12/12/2010 9:20:48 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Dagnabitt
After 7 or 8 PCS, I Bought a MacBook Pro two weeks ago. Very clean, well thought out product, but no Delete key?

Yes, it has a delete key, but it deletes backward like the backspace key on a PC. To delete forward, hold the function key (fn) and then at the same time hit the delete key. This is a legacy of UNIX, which existed long before Windows. It will take you about 2 weeks to get comfortable with this, and then it will seem very natural to you.

and no right mouse button?

There are lots of ways to get a right click on a MacBook Pro.

  1. Hold down the control key and click on the touchpad at the same time.
  2. Click on the touchpad with 2 fingers.
  3. Go to System Preferences --> Touchpad and you can set Secondary Click to Bottom Right Corner.
Again it will take you about 2 weeks to get comfortable with this, and then it will seem very natural. I prefer using a 2-finger click.
39 posted on 12/12/2010 11:10:54 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: Swordmaker
When I saw the title, I thought they were talking about all the hundreds of 3rd party accessories that are compatible with Apple devices. It's that 3rd party ecosphere that I find to be really amazing when I'm looking around at geek stuff, and I'm not a mac-head.
40 posted on 12/12/2010 11:25:22 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: stripes1776; ReignOfError; USNBandit; TXnMA; Swordmaker

Thanks for the tips. I´m sure I´ll get the hang of this thing.


41 posted on 12/12/2010 1:13:23 PM PST by Dagnabitt ("Obama" - Swahili for "Fail")
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To: wintertime
I have soooo many wires coming out of the back of every device going to my computer that my husband and I literally have them labeled. Also...why are all these ports so incredibly inconvenient to access?

I'm looking forward to the day when every device uses wireless to communicate with other devices. I have 10 computers, 4 displays, 2 printers and other devices in my small home office with a sea of wires everywhere. It's a nightmare. As you have hinted at, manufacturers do a poor job of labeling wires and ports. Power bricks and AC adaptors also get me frustrated. I've accidentally blown devices because the polarity is reversed on some adaptors (cheap Chinese stuff).

Apple is good, mostly USB and Firewire. And you can buy wireless speakers, I've got a pair and there's no unsightly wires to deal with.

42 posted on 12/12/2010 1:39:52 PM PST by roadcat
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To: roadcat
Re: Wireless

I had them in my clinic a few years ago and the key boards and mice “talked” to the computers in adjacent treatment rooms.... BIG but sometimes funny messes with that!

I should try them again. The technology may have improved.

43 posted on 12/12/2010 2:04:43 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

That’s indeed weird and unsettling! The way it’s supposed to work is that keyboards or mice get paired to a specific computer. If swapped to another computer, can they be paired to two different machines?


44 posted on 12/12/2010 2:55:53 PM PST by roadcat
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To: roadcat; wintertime
I'm looking forward to the day when every device uses wireless to communicate with other devices.

Apple is almost completely there. The standard iMac keyboard and magic mouse are both Bluetooth my network is WIFI and my printer is WIFI. As is my AppleTV The only cable that comes to the computer is the power cord and a FireWire connection to my backup drive. If I connect my drive to the WIFI router by USB even that cable could be deleted from my desk. In other word, it's even better than this, now, no keyboard or mouse cable:


45 posted on 12/12/2010 3:54:05 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Yea, Apple is almost completely there with wireless. Although I have a MagicMouse I still prefer the trackpad for my Mac. My printer and fax are wireless, and I have a network hard drive on my wifi router that all my computers can share wirelessly. My iPad has OS 4.1, but I can’t do wireless printing with it until I patch it (hope Apple resolves patent issues).

But wires serve a need at the moment. Wired Internet is faster when I’m doing big dumps of data. And my backups are on eSata wire connected external hard drives, much faster than other options.


46 posted on 12/12/2010 6:36:08 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Swordmaker
I could live with that!
47 posted on 12/12/2010 6:44:43 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Swordmaker
Another nice part is that it comes out of the box like that. I pulled mine out of the box, set it on the desk, plugged in the power and network cable, pulled the keyboard and mouse out and turned the system on. That took less time than it takes to boot up a PC.

Back in 97 things were different. My roommate on USS Independence had a Mac and a new printer. He spent the entire cruise trying to get the two to work together. All the printer would do was run the paper through putting a slight bend in it. We would heckle him about his brand new paper bender.

48 posted on 12/12/2010 10:40:48 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Chipper

“I am far from technically challenged”

“HP that has gone in for service 4 times, had to be system restored 5 times within the past 5 years.”

I would argue, that anyone who buys a pre-packaged HP, or any HP for that matter, would be in the technically challenged category.

I would also argue that anyone who takes their computer in for service would fall into the same boat. You may disagree, and I may be wrong, there are exceptions to every rule, but those two comments, either singularly or combined would lead me to believe that one is very technically challenged.

My son and I build computers that have never had to be “restored” nor have they ever “gone in for service”. Did they change the oil and install new cross-over pipes?
I’ll let your post speak for itself.


49 posted on 12/13/2010 12:55:37 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: Swordmaker

Apples greatest strength right now is the fanboi base. Great for them, we own apple as part of our portfolio, but will look to diverge ourselves of the assets over the next year, I am pretty certain.

In the mean time, I appreciate what folks like yourself have done to offset the hit our other holdings have caused us.

But, regarding your post, I have never been inside the Apple boardroom, but the reports that flowed out over the iPhone debacle and reception-gate indicated that Apple has once again gone into committee-think. If you have a beef with that general consensus, take it up with those write such things, or give me some indication that you are involved in Apple, and are first hand experienced in a way that can refute those claims. Just “saying so” doesn’t make it so, and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

Secondly, Apples main stratagem has been to market to the technically challenged. If you can’t see this, it is because you take exception, or feel insulted that by using an apple, you are lumped into that category. This thread is not about emotion, where many apple posts go, it is about the closed end proprietary method that the author is touting as a strength, when that very thinking, for all practical purposes, put Apple out of business for over a decade.

Finally, Apple does market to the eco friendly, of which, most folks happen to be very gullible. To say they don’t, would lead me to believe you don’t read much. To say they don’t would lead me to believe you don’t spend much time on college campuses. You can just head over to http://www.apple.com/environment/ to see their take on it themselves. Or you can do a simple Google or whatever other method you use to search. I am guessing Google may be a bit difficult for a fanboi such as yourself. I say that, now fully convinced, that I am arguing with a fanboi, if you cannot do your own research into their marketing, or you don’t want to, because it assaults your own sensibilities. Whichever the case, in your mind, Apple is the bees-knees, and neither logic nor research will sway you otherwise. I’m cool with that. Keep that stock price up there, I do appreciate it.

I do agree that Apple HAS performed like a start up, but the trend this year, and the product line for the next year, leads myself, and those who invest into the product to be gun-shy about further investments, thinking there are other options that will play out stronger. Of course, there are always analysts on both sides of the isle, but as an investor, and not a fanboi, I have to wade through and sort out the propaganda from the fact, and base my decisions on ROI, not on what feels good.

As far as becoming the number 1 tech company... Texas Instruments also held that title for 3x the period that Apple has, and they didn’t have the benefit of the Inventor of the Internet, Al Gore on their board.


50 posted on 12/13/2010 1:14:47 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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