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Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
PhysOrg ^ | 12/17/10 | Lisa Zyga

Posted on 12/18/2010 4:14:00 PM PST by LibWhacker

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To: UCANSEE2

Only if there’s a pro/coni-verse


51 posted on 12/18/2010 6:41:37 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer And A Painter Can Change Black Into White)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Johnny Quest!! The best animated “kid” show ever.


52 posted on 12/18/2010 6:48:39 PM PST by corkoman
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To: LibWhacker

53 posted on 12/18/2010 6:57:14 PM PST by BushCountry (I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparison to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: ReverendJames
Well then there is no such thing as a uni-verse.

You are right unless we define 'universe' as everything that is. Then what we have until now thought of as the universe is just a sub-component of the actual universe and it needs a different name.

Of course the more the definition of 'universe' is stretched the less it means. If we add 'everything that was' and 'everything that will be' to 'everything that is' to the definition of 'universe' it becomes less and less quantifiable. Add 'everything that never was and never will be' (why not? isn't the universe 'everything?') and 'universe' becomes something that is impossible to ever measure, mentally picture or understand.

I simultaneously love and hate these mental conundrums. ;^)

54 posted on 12/18/2010 7:17:19 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Moonman62

Infinite universes and many other modern theories are so out of the understanding of man and so beyond the realm of human understanding, that it is as good as mystical.

The scientists can’t understand it, or explain it. The state of the “cosmic egg” pre big bang is not within the realm of human understanding. Nor is where it came from. Nor is the concept of infinite universes beyond our cosmic egg/ big bang universe (which was supposed to contain everything), nor is a cat that is both dead AND alive but not until you observe it (quantum theory), nor is the timeless ingularity of a black hole, or the other dimensions it may lead to. All these take the scientists into realms they cannot understand, observe, or see beyond. In that sense, the limits of science mesh quite well with the mysticism of religion.

You don’t think it’s as mystical as God? What is God, except the infinite, that which preceded everything, he is indeterminate and mysterious, he is beyond time and space, all knowing, all powerful.

How are the modern mysteries of science any different than the spiritualist’s yearning for God?


55 posted on 12/18/2010 7:18:12 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: LibWhacker

What did they expect a picket fence at the edge of the universe.


56 posted on 12/18/2010 7:19:29 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: LibWhacker

POP!


57 posted on 12/18/2010 7:21:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Moonman62

You realize of course the scientists have not observed any other universes, and certainly not infinite universes? Almost by definition, they cannot see anything beyond this universe.

What they have done is, using Earth bound observations, decided there are a few areas of the sky in which they see variations in the cosmic background radiation.

Now, a non-religious person might say that’s interesting, maybe our ability to detect the radiation is inaccurate, etc.

But the “religious mystical scientist” makes a splash by theorizing that we are observing the “bruising” of our universe from 4 of the “infinite universes” which they theorize exist and actually “bump into” our universe.

I hope you don’t think this is anything other than an enormous and unknowable, unprovable leap of faith by the scientists? Because they sure as hell did not observe any of the things they are theorizing based on scant data.

I’m not commenting as a religious, or as a scientist, and neither are they.


58 posted on 12/18/2010 7:26:59 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: LibWhacker

“If they turn out to be correct, it would be the first evidence that universes other than ours do exist.”

Have to love this quote. Now I’d like to hear how they can ever “turn out to be correct” within the realm of human knowledge? It is absolutely impossible to verify the existence of these other universes.


59 posted on 12/18/2010 7:33:43 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

My all-time favorite episode of Johnny Quest. That energy monster scared the beejezus out of me when I was a kid.


60 posted on 12/18/2010 7:36:23 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: NormsRevenge

TEOTWAWKI by universal bump!


61 posted on 12/18/2010 7:59:13 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
The illustration you have provided is lacking;

....................not enough turtles.

62 posted on 12/18/2010 8:23:41 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: TigersEye

To me just the word “uni” designates an individual thing.


63 posted on 12/18/2010 8:54:34 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer And A Painter Can Change Black Into White)
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To: ReverendJames
I'm not sure there is any such thing as 'just one thing.'
Even the components of atoms are composed of multiple things.
64 posted on 12/18/2010 8:57:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

It’s the pre-word ‘uni’ meaning singular as in uni-cycle and uni-verse. There are singular things ... ‘mono-rail’ is another. There are singular things out there.


65 posted on 12/18/2010 9:06:20 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer And A Painter Can Change Black Into White)
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To: Williams
If you read the fifth chapter of Daniel in the Tanakh, you will get a glimpse of some other where/when from whence a hand reached to write on the wall at party central. That other realm might be called 'another universe' parallel to ours. But in reality, God created The universe and all manifestations of perhaps many different where/whens are still inside the bubble He created for space and time and energy. ... As Alamo_Girl is fond of pointing out
Without space things can not exist
Without time events cannot occur.

God created the dimensions which express in ways we have yet to even imagine, much less touch.

66 posted on 12/18/2010 9:13:04 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LibWhacker; SunkenCiv

I RUN THIS SH*T


67 posted on 12/18/2010 9:22:38 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Perhaps there is a universe out there which was not started with a Big Bang but a Little Phhhtttt


68 posted on 12/18/2010 9:29:12 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

They call that one 0bama.


69 posted on 12/18/2010 9:43:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: martin_fierro

ROFLOL -That’s great!


70 posted on 12/18/2010 10:52:51 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Minn
Whoever came up with the term “multiverse” should be slapped.

I think it was a comic book writer. At least, that's where I first heard the word a few decades ago.

71 posted on 12/19/2010 12:10:19 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: LibWhacker; SunkenCiv; decimon; Quix; martin_fierro

Cheers!

72 posted on 12/19/2010 12:14:03 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LibWhacker
Big deal. Star Trek figured this out years ago. Didn't they see Spock with the goatee?
73 posted on 12/19/2010 12:20:14 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: LibWhacker

At the edge of the universe: Owens Corning fiberglas insulation. Keeps our universe cozy, and its acoustical properties suppresses the noise of nearby big bangs.


74 posted on 12/19/2010 3:11:54 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: B.O. Plenty
Hah...our “universe” is just an atom in the leg of a giant table somewhere...

Or an atom about to be launched into a giant supercollider. Might wanna tighten that safety belt...

75 posted on 12/19/2010 3:13:28 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: reagan_fanatic

It was a truly brilliant show, and could not have been made even a few years later than it was, because of the rapid advance of political correctness.

Even its parody, The Venture Brothers, is extremely popular today, and its fans cannot get enough of references to the original JQ, and other pop science and superhero culture from the 1960s.


76 posted on 12/19/2010 7:20:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Thats my point— there is no “sides of the universe”whats on the other side of the “side”? or if we are in a bubble- then whats on the outside of the bubble?- the human mind cant understand a no beginning and no end of space— its forever and ever with no end never..


77 posted on 12/19/2010 10:06:38 AM PST by chicken head
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To: chicken head

If you think about it, the concept isn’t really that hard. For instance, what is “the other side” of a common Möbius strip? At first you think “it is the other side of the strip”, but the truth is that the strip has only one side.

The universe is like a 3 dimensional Möbius strip. If you go far enough on an exactly straight line in any direction, you will end up where you started.


78 posted on 12/19/2010 10:55:33 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Greysard

What was in between them before they bumped?
Imagine a 2-D universe. It’s a sheet of paper. It’s infinitely large. Cartoon characters can crawl on that sheet; but they don’t know the meaning of “up” or “down.” That’s your Flatland.

Now imagine that there is a stack of such sheets. Sometimes they hang one over the other, sometimes they “bump” into each other. (They are all parallel to each other.)

Can you explain “what is between them” sheets, using only the terminology of Flatlanders? You and me would say “air” or whatever else represents the 3rd dimension. But those poor Flatlanders have no such concept.

If we bump the whole model up a notch, the 4th dimension can be visualized as a gradual change of things that may already exist in our 3-D world. For example, what will happen when a 4-D sphere crosses through our 3-D plane of existence? First, there is nothing. Then a tiny sphere appears from nowhere. Then it grows. Then it shrinks, down to a tiny point, and then vanishes. What we see are 3-D sections of a larger, 4-D object.

So if there are multiple Universes that are separated by one or more other dimensions then when those Universes intersect they become visible to each other - just like when two paper sheets cross, the drawings on them (points, actually) become visible to both sets of Flatlanders. Also a Flatlander then can cross from his plane of existence onto the other one because the fact that the surface is sharply bent in 3rd dimension is lost on him.

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Thanks, now I will have to study this. I’ll do it during the eclipse on Tuesday morning.


79 posted on 12/19/2010 12:03:53 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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Thanks decimon, martin_fierro, and grey_whiskers!

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80 posted on 12/19/2010 4:30:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Turtles-all-the-way-up ping.

(Thanks SunkenCiv!>

"Space Energy/Solar Weirdness" ping.


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Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

81 posted on 12/19/2010 5:08:39 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: LibWhacker

As long as it isn’t multicultural, I’ll go w/it.


82 posted on 12/19/2010 5:11:33 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: The Comedian

I think that’s actually “turtles all the way down.” Sounds like it’s related to shell theory.


83 posted on 12/19/2010 5:37:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I think that’s actually “turtles all the way down.”

Uh, yes, I know, that's why the joke was supposed to be funny, see. Turtles, multiverse evidence in CBR, up instead of down...

Well it's not funny now that I've had to explain it.

(sigh)


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

84 posted on 12/19/2010 6:40:33 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

I doubt that I will ever travel to a different universe, consequently I have zero percent interest in the subject. I view it as a drain on the taxes in the Treasury.


85 posted on 12/19/2010 6:43:32 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch
I doubt that I will ever travel to a different universe...

I knew you'd forget.

86 posted on 12/19/2010 6:45:29 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

I am constantly skirting with time travel in this universe. I can’t recall whether I had breakfast but I know I just ate supper. It all happens so fast, just a blink of the eye and zip, it’s gone.


87 posted on 12/19/2010 6:50:08 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: LibWhacker

How many?


88 posted on 12/19/2010 6:52:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Infinitely many.


89 posted on 12/19/2010 7:09:32 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: The Comedian

;’) Shouldn’t it be seltrut?


90 posted on 12/19/2010 7:24:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: decimon

thanks, bfl


91 posted on 12/19/2010 8:58:23 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: LibWhacker; a fool in paradise

I live in a university town (go ahead check with those who know me), and I called one of those “scientists” cited, to axe him the question on all our minds: How many? He said it’s not official (yet), but the number is 3.


92 posted on 12/19/2010 9:03:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Hmmm... Now three’s an interesting number. No matter what it is, it’s a lot of territory!


93 posted on 12/19/2010 9:33:41 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Revolting cat!
In the 1980s, Time-Warner established that there are an INFINITE number of Earths and there is a global crisis looming.

We must save the time-continuim by driving corn powered cars or something.

94 posted on 12/20/2010 7:18:15 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: The Comedian

There was a deathrow inmate who’s last words were “Help Mr. Wizard, HELP!”. Local media didn’t know what to make of it at the time.


95 posted on 12/20/2010 7:20:06 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: The Comedian
Turtles-all-the-way-up ping.

Strange... I've always heard "Elephants all the way down...!"

96 posted on 12/20/2010 7:20:31 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: LibWhacker
By looking far out into space and observing what’s going on there, scientists have been led to theorize that it all started with a Big Bang, immediately followed by a brief period of super-accelerated expansion called inflation.

Inflation would appear to be a natural state of being. Democrats are going to love this story.

97 posted on 12/20/2010 7:23:45 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: The Comedian
"Uh, yes, I know, that's why the joke was supposed to be funny, see. Turtles, multiverse evidence in CBR, up instead of down...

Well it's not funny now that I've had to explain it."

Too much! I just told you in another thread that your name does not make you funny and here you provide the evidence for me!

Do you find yourself having to explain your "jokes" often, "The Comedian"?

And lose the stoopit picture you attach to your posts.

It's banal. An affectation. Like a sophomore drawing a little heart in the place of a dot for every "i".

AV

98 posted on 12/20/2010 3:34:37 PM PST by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: Atomic Vomit; TheOldLady; SunkenCiv
The funny thing is, the only people who get really riled by my avatar (and there are only 2 other babies in your remedial creche who can't stop wetting themselves) are pack animals with no individual identity (and a fear of individual excellence), leftist shills, and homosexuals.

I'm guessing you're good for at least 2 out of 3.

And their common characteristics are an IQ of about 105, and the belief that showing up at a church address makes them holy.

Now get to bed before mom catches you on her PC again. Maybe you'll sleep well enough to get up in time to miss The View, make it to a real job interview, and get up the courage to ask a real girl out on a date. Dutch, of course, since you're poor.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

99 posted on 12/20/2010 6:29:43 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

ROFL! Peerless, for a n00b. ;-p


100 posted on 12/20/2010 6:39:30 PM PST by TheOldLady ("I WILL PLANT. I WILL HARVEST. I WILL RESIST WITH FORCE...ANY ATTEMPT TO STOP ME." - Lazamataz)
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