Skip to comments.Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
Posted on 12/18/2010 4:14:00 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Only if there’s a pro/coni-verse
Johnny Quest!! The best animated “kid” show ever.
You are right unless we define 'universe' as everything that is. Then what we have until now thought of as the universe is just a sub-component of the actual universe and it needs a different name.
Of course the more the definition of 'universe' is stretched the less it means. If we add 'everything that was' and 'everything that will be' to 'everything that is' to the definition of 'universe' it becomes less and less quantifiable. Add 'everything that never was and never will be' (why not? isn't the universe 'everything?') and 'universe' becomes something that is impossible to ever measure, mentally picture or understand.
I simultaneously love and hate these mental conundrums. ;^)
Infinite universes and many other modern theories are so out of the understanding of man and so beyond the realm of human understanding, that it is as good as mystical.
The scientists can’t understand it, or explain it. The state of the “cosmic egg” pre big bang is not within the realm of human understanding. Nor is where it came from. Nor is the concept of infinite universes beyond our cosmic egg/ big bang universe (which was supposed to contain everything), nor is a cat that is both dead AND alive but not until you observe it (quantum theory), nor is the timeless ingularity of a black hole, or the other dimensions it may lead to. All these take the scientists into realms they cannot understand, observe, or see beyond. In that sense, the limits of science mesh quite well with the mysticism of religion.
You don’t think it’s as mystical as God? What is God, except the infinite, that which preceded everything, he is indeterminate and mysterious, he is beyond time and space, all knowing, all powerful.
How are the modern mysteries of science any different than the spiritualist’s yearning for God?
What did they expect a picket fence at the edge of the universe.
You realize of course the scientists have not observed any other universes, and certainly not infinite universes? Almost by definition, they cannot see anything beyond this universe.
What they have done is, using Earth bound observations, decided there are a few areas of the sky in which they see variations in the cosmic background radiation.
Now, a non-religious person might say that’s interesting, maybe our ability to detect the radiation is inaccurate, etc.
But the “religious mystical scientist” makes a splash by theorizing that we are observing the “bruising” of our universe from 4 of the “infinite universes” which they theorize exist and actually “bump into” our universe.
I hope you don’t think this is anything other than an enormous and unknowable, unprovable leap of faith by the scientists? Because they sure as hell did not observe any of the things they are theorizing based on scant data.
I’m not commenting as a religious, or as a scientist, and neither are they.
“If they turn out to be correct, it would be the first evidence that universes other than ours do exist.”
Have to love this quote. Now I’d like to hear how they can ever “turn out to be correct” within the realm of human knowledge? It is absolutely impossible to verify the existence of these other universes.
My all-time favorite episode of Johnny Quest. That energy monster scared the beejezus out of me when I was a kid.
TEOTWAWKI by universal bump!
To me just the word “uni” designates an individual thing.
It’s the pre-word ‘uni’ meaning singular as in uni-cycle and uni-verse. There are singular things ... ‘mono-rail’ is another. There are singular things out there.
God created the dimensions which express in ways we have yet to even imagine, much less touch.
I RUN THIS SH*T
Perhaps there is a universe out there which was not started with a Big Bang but a Little Phhhtttt
They call that one 0bama.
ROFLOL -That’s great!
I think it was a comic book writer. At least, that's where I first heard the word a few decades ago.
At the edge of the universe: Owens Corning fiberglas insulation. Keeps our universe cozy, and its acoustical properties suppresses the noise of nearby big bangs.
Or an atom about to be launched into a giant supercollider. Might wanna tighten that safety belt...
It was a truly brilliant show, and could not have been made even a few years later than it was, because of the rapid advance of political correctness.
Even its parody, The Venture Brothers, is extremely popular today, and its fans cannot get enough of references to the original JQ, and other pop science and superhero culture from the 1960s.
Thats my point— there is no “sides of the universe”whats on the other side of the “side”? or if we are in a bubble- then whats on the outside of the bubble?- the human mind cant understand a no beginning and no end of space— its forever and ever with no end never..
If you think about it, the concept isn’t really that hard. For instance, what is “the other side” of a common Möbius strip? At first you think “it is the other side of the strip”, but the truth is that the strip has only one side.
The universe is like a 3 dimensional Möbius strip. If you go far enough on an exactly straight line in any direction, you will end up where you started.
What was in between them before they bumped?
Imagine a 2-D universe. It’s a sheet of paper. It’s infinitely large. Cartoon characters can crawl on that sheet; but they don’t know the meaning of “up” or “down.” That’s your Flatland.
Now imagine that there is a stack of such sheets. Sometimes they hang one over the other, sometimes they “bump” into each other. (They are all parallel to each other.)
Can you explain “what is between them” sheets, using only the terminology of Flatlanders? You and me would say “air” or whatever else represents the 3rd dimension. But those poor Flatlanders have no such concept.
If we bump the whole model up a notch, the 4th dimension can be visualized as a gradual change of things that may already exist in our 3-D world. For example, what will happen when a 4-D sphere crosses through our 3-D plane of existence? First, there is nothing. Then a tiny sphere appears from nowhere. Then it grows. Then it shrinks, down to a tiny point, and then vanishes. What we see are 3-D sections of a larger, 4-D object.
So if there are multiple Universes that are separated by one or more other dimensions then when those Universes intersect they become visible to each other - just like when two paper sheets cross, the drawings on them (points, actually) become visible to both sets of Flatlanders. Also a Flatlander then can cross from his plane of existence onto the other one because the fact that the surface is sharply bent in 3rd dimension is lost on him.
Thanks, now I will have to study this. I’ll do it during the eclipse on Tuesday morning.
As long as it isn’t multicultural, I’ll go w/it.
I think that’s actually “turtles all the way down.” Sounds like it’s related to shell theory.
Uh, yes, I know, that's why the joke was supposed to be funny, see. Turtles, multiverse evidence in CBR, up instead of down...
Well it's not funny now that I've had to explain it.
I doubt that I will ever travel to a different universe, consequently I have zero percent interest in the subject. I view it as a drain on the taxes in the Treasury.
I knew you'd forget.
I am constantly skirting with time travel in this universe. I can’t recall whether I had breakfast but I know I just ate supper. It all happens so fast, just a blink of the eye and zip, it’s gone.
;’) Shouldn’t it be seltrut?
I live in a university town (go ahead check with those who know me), and I called one of those “scientists” cited, to axe him the question on all our minds: How many? He said it’s not official (yet), but the number is 3.
Hmmm... Now three’s an interesting number. No matter what it is, it’s a lot of territory!
We must save the time-continuim by driving corn powered cars or something.
There was a deathrow inmate who’s last words were “Help Mr. Wizard, HELP!”. Local media didn’t know what to make of it at the time.
Strange... I've always heard "Elephants all the way down...!"
Inflation would appear to be a natural state of being. Democrats are going to love this story.
Well it's not funny now that I've had to explain it."
Too much! I just told you in another thread that your name does not make you funny and here you provide the evidence for me!
Do you find yourself having to explain your "jokes" often, "The Comedian"?
And lose the stoopit picture you attach to your posts.
It's banal. An affectation. Like a sophomore drawing a little heart in the place of a dot for every "i".
I'm guessing you're good for at least 2 out of 3.
And their common characteristics are an IQ of about 105, and the belief that showing up at a church address makes them holy.
Now get to bed before mom catches you on her PC again. Maybe you'll sleep well enough to get up in time to miss The View, make it to a real job interview, and get up the courage to ask a real girl out on a date. Dutch, of course, since you're poor.
ROFL! Peerless, for a n00b. ;-p