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FReeper advice needed: newborn with middle ear infection.
26 DEC 10 | dcbryan1

Posted on 12/26/2010 9:52:43 AM PST by DCBryan1

Need some advice for peace of mind of the wife and I. We have a beautiful baby boy, almost 4 mos. old (next week) that had a high fever last weekend before Christmas. Monday we took him in and Dr. said that his cold/upper respiratory infection has given him a secondary inner ear infection ( acute otitis media (AOM).

The good Dr. gave us Cifdinir (Omnicef) 3/4 TSP for 10 days and thankfully his fever has gone. However, this Christmas has been a nightmare for Mom and I due to his frequent waking and screaming. His schedule over Christmas was sleep 45 minutes, wake screaming for half an hour, and then take an hour to get back to bed. So for every half hour he sleeps, Mom and Dad DONT sleep for 2 hours.

New symptom this AM is when we went to give him a warm bath, we noticed green/yellow fluid in the ear that he tugs at and you cannot touch without setting him off. We called the Dr. Exchange and got a nurse to call back that said to keep giving infant tylenol and maybe to try olive oil 3 drops, every 3 hours until they can see him Mon 8AM.

This is the same black nurse that said to alternate Ibuprofen and Tylenol (which is a BIG NO NO in <6mos) so of course, I questioned her methods.

I called a family friend who is an ER pediatrican and he said that he had NEVER heard of olive oil as a remedy, but heard that blacks like to use something called "sweet water", but doesn't suggest its use.

Anways, Dr. friend said that we are doing the right thing with Tylenol every 4 hours (0.8 ML/every 4 hours) and keeping up with the Omnicef (Cifdinir) and to just deal with it.


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I just wanted to know if any other FReeper moms have experienced inner ear infections in young infants and what you think we should do?

Going stir crazy at Christmas....thanks for your advice and prayers!

Oh, and our little angel says Merry Christmas!

1 posted on 12/26/2010 9:52:46 AM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

Congratulations on the baby!

Ask your pediatrician how soon the baby can get “tubes” put in the ears. Tubes work wonders for preventing ear infections and for helping them speak more clearly.


2 posted on 12/26/2010 9:58:02 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites" - Charles Krauthammer)
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To: DCBryan1

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Olive oil in the ear (warmed not hot) is the best for children with ear infections. Have used it many times on my 5 kids and grandkids. pour a little in the ear and put a small cotton ball to hold it in.

Twenty minutes later you will notice a difference.

Trust me. Works every time.


3 posted on 12/26/2010 9:58:40 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: DCBryan1
Ear and throat infections and tonsillitis at age 6 months. Never got it under control and removed his tonsils before age 2. That took care of it. Infections in little ones are difficult.
4 posted on 12/26/2010 9:58:58 AM PST by Ditter
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To: DCBryan1

Try sleeping in the recliner semi-upright with him laying on your chest. Being in an upright position will help his ear a great deal. Laying down hurts their little ear the worst when they have an ear infection. My kids only had one ear infection each and both had them right at about 6 months of age.


5 posted on 12/26/2010 10:00:24 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: BallandPowder

Does it matter what kind of olive oil? Virgin? etc?


6 posted on 12/26/2010 10:00:30 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: BallandPowder

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Olive oil also goes by the name “sweet oil”, you will not be sorry and your kiddo will appreciate the relief.


7 posted on 12/26/2010 10:00:44 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder

Any olive oil. Just warm it in a spoon and check with your tongue to make sure not to hot.


8 posted on 12/26/2010 10:01:51 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: DCBryan1

and IF a pediatrician wants to put tubes in your kids ears after his first ear infection . . . find a new pediatrician.


9 posted on 12/26/2010 10:02:05 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: DCBryan1

Cute kid.
The ear infections are normal.
You’re going to have to rough it out till tomorrow.

An anti inflammatory should help, but I am no Dr.
Good luck.


10 posted on 12/26/2010 10:02:31 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BwanaNdege

Tubes in the ear don’t come without risks, though. If this is his first ear infection, I wouldn’t be too quick to subject my baby to surgery. My oldest son got frequent ear and throat infections, but my pediatrician didn’t believe in putting tubes. My son eventually outgrew them and he is fine. I used ear drops whenever his ear hurt him and they helped a lot.


11 posted on 12/26/2010 10:02:58 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: hocndoc

Merry Christmas to you and Hoc!

Got any suggestions for DCBryan1?
I think the tylenol is the correct course for now.


12 posted on 12/26/2010 10:05:30 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DCBryan1

Have the baby sleep in his car seat or swing so he is sitting up. He should stay asleep longer when he is not lying down flat. One parent can also try driving him around in the car while the other parent stays home and sleeps. Find a medical clinic that is open on Sundays. Some of the Walgreen/CVS type clinics are open on Sundays. Our younger child had recurrent ear infections as an infant/toddler. His ear pain usually disappeared within 24 hours of his first dose of the prescribed antibiotic. You have my sympathies. You will have better Christmases.


13 posted on 12/26/2010 10:06:57 AM PST by Padams
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I just stumbled on this article two days ago while looking at other garlic home remedies. Don’t know if it’s any good or not as I haven’t tested myself yet.

http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/garlic-infections.shtml


14 posted on 12/26/2010 10:07:12 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: DCBryan1
New symptom this AM is when we went to give him a warm bath, we noticed green/yellow fluid in the ear that he tugs at and you cannot touch without setting him off.
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Green/yellow fluid in the ear canal?

It is time to take him to a 24 hour urgent care.

15 posted on 12/26/2010 10:09:07 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: BwanaNdege
I'm 70. Olive oil is a very old remedy and it works well.

This is a baby...My thought is to let the baby sleep on your warm chest...with the bad ear down. Put a cloth diaper or soft cloth under the babies ear so you can see it draining.

Infections come with fevers. I'd constantly check it. These new thermometers suck. Make sure ytou calibrate it among someone healthy in the family....and take it more than once.

CALL YOUR OPEDIATRICIAN AGAIN IF NECESSARY...THAT'S THEIR JOB!!!

16 posted on 12/26/2010 10:09:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DCBryan1
I still remember how much my first ear infection hurt (sort of) and I sure remember how much I cried.

Parenting is preparation for sainthood.

Godspeed.

17 posted on 12/26/2010 10:10:51 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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...black nurse...

am I reading this right?

18 posted on 12/26/2010 10:12:59 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("Three hostile newspapers are more to be feared than 200 swords" - Napoleon Bonapart)
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I don’t like greenish yellow drainage from any semiclosed wound or orifice along with the descriptions of extreme crying and symptoms of pain. The drop of fever can simply be the tylenol masking an underlying process and certain types of infections as in gram negative types exhibit temps that are subnormal than usual.

You’ve already had the kid on meds for 10 days(from “before the previous weekend”), now you have purilent drainage. Get the kid in NOW to see the doctor! The child is 4 months old. Olive oil???? That nurse(not a doctor) was telling you to stick something into a child’s ear that had active drainage?!!! Go today to have your child seen....! The drainage needs to be cultured to find a more suitable antibiotic.

(I’m not just playing medicine, I’ve been an RN for 25 years and an ICU nurse for the past 11 years)


19 posted on 12/26/2010 10:15:09 AM PST by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: DCBryan1
Shot of Rocephin. Then if the child has been on antibiotics for over 48 hours without improvement (fever >100.1) switch to augmentin. Don't let them prescribe it twice a day, but get it 3 times a day. The twice a day dosing leads to more vomiting and gi complaints.

It's bad if pus is coming out of the ear and a visit to the ER isn't out of the question. I see it all the time.

20 posted on 12/26/2010 10:15:26 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on)
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To: DCBryan1

Alcohol........for the parents.

Tylenol for the baby. Recurring ear infections will need tubes. All three of mine had them. Saved countless trips to the doctor everytime they had a cold. Fluid from every cold/fever in head ends up in ear canal. Tube lets fluid drain out instead of pressure on ear saving little ones from ear pain and parents sleepless nights


21 posted on 12/26/2010 10:15:30 AM PST by GQuagmire (Hey now!)
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To: Sacajaweau; DCBryan1

“Olive oil is a very old remedy and it works well.
This is a baby...My thought is to let the baby sleep on your warm chest”

It’s not the Olive oil but the heat that helps. Even warm mineral oil would do.


22 posted on 12/26/2010 10:16:36 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: DCBryan1
No way should he have green/yellow fluid in his ear. That must be some infection...go the ER and get something else prescribed.

P.S. Oil in the ear only helps the symptoms, it doesn't get rid of an infection. I'm not endorsing this, but the old-timers (ahem, like my Mom...for me) would sometimes put a drop of peroxide in the ear, then a drop of warm Oil of Camphor in with a cotton ball. The warm menthol is soothing.

Good luck with that angel, and Happy New Year!

23 posted on 12/26/2010 10:17:28 AM PST by truthkeeper ( God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Olive oil might be a good remedy but not when there is active drainage from the ear canal and the antibiotics have been ongoing for nearly 8 or 9 days(”the week-end” before Christmas).


24 posted on 12/26/2010 10:18:24 AM PST by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: DCBryan1

Yes, warm olive oil in the ear with a chunk of cotton ball big enough to make sure you can pull out completely, is truly a good remedy for ear pain and it s perfectly safe.

Here s another one that may help your baby. Heat a big russet potato in the microwave for 10-15 mins. Put it into a clean thick sock. Hold this to his ear area. This feels terrific and stays warm a nice long time. Plus you can eat it after if you like.

Someone mentioned tubes in the ears. This would be for a much older child who is plagued with multiple ear infections. Not for a newborn.

Remember to add probiotics to your child because antibiotics have ruined his immune-fighting good bacteria in his digestive tract. Two easy ways: if breastfeeding, have mom take probiotic capsules, and there are also baby probiotic drops.

Hope he feels better soon. Maysbe take him to doc tomorrow.


25 posted on 12/26/2010 10:18:33 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: DCBryan1; Tax-chick
What an adorable baby boy! Congrats!

Since my kids were 4 and 5 before they got an ear infection, I will not offer advice.

However, I'm pinging our resident experienced mom to see what she may recommend.

I'm so sorry your first Christmas with your little angel has turned out to be not so merry. Better ones lie ahead!

26 posted on 12/26/2010 10:18:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: DCBryan1

not sure what the color of the nurse has to do with it...

just sayin’

prayers for the little one. Merry Christmas!


27 posted on 12/26/2010 10:20:45 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: DCBryan1

Yes, the olive oil can really work. My only child was the prince of ear infections, I must say. He was a preemie and that ear tube was too undeveloped, blah, blah, blah.

One thing others have not mentioned that seemed to help my son: go out tomorrow and pick up an ol’ fashioned hot water bottle. Now, for a wee one, you’ll tone it down a bit (not as warm as for us adults) but....if you put warmish water in it (and don’t fill it up, of course) and can get the little whippersnapper to rest on the offending side. Put it in something, like a pillowcase. If it’s too warm for your wrist, it’s too warm for their ear.

What is causing your little one to scream is not only the infection but the pressure inside the ear (fluids and other crap). Warmth will liquefy them (hence the warm olive oil suggestion) and may alleviate the pressure. My son’s old school pediatrician told me this and it was a lifesaver. The good doctor died in August of ‘08, but my son has managed to the ripe old age of 25. When I last talked to him, 12 hours ago, he was tackling a 6” high stack of Christmas cookies. LOL Btw, if you are prone to sinus infections this time of year, this hot water bottle thing will help you, too, but you can use hotter water.

One more thing...your mom was right. It’s a good idea to have a steam vaporizer and put Vicks in the cup in the baby’s room when ill. Just like she did with you. :)


28 posted on 12/26/2010 10:21:46 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: JoeProBono
I agree....any oil...(I just happen to hang with a lot of Italians)

Also, try a vaporizor....I prefer the old style steam rather than the new cool. My "old time" pediatrician concurs. And when my grandkids were stuffed...it was turning the bathroom into a sauna that brought them relief....not taking them into the cold like the "modern" pediatrician directed. My daughter learned the hard way....from grandma....

29 posted on 12/26/2010 10:23:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Yaelle

Ok, I correct previous message. If docs are saying get him to Er, then do it.

But for simple ear pain without this scary drainage, the olive oil or heated potato will help a child against the Pain until you can get him to the doc.

Sounds like his antibiotic didn’t work.


30 posted on 12/26/2010 10:23:28 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: DCBryan1

And he’s as cute as a bug, btw. He’ll be peeing on you when you change his diaper in NO time. Especially when a draft goes through the room.

You will be tempted to be mad, but the snarky look on his face when he does it will make you laugh like hell. LOL


31 posted on 12/26/2010 10:24:12 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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A couple drops of COLLOIDAL SILVER, dropped right in, will clear it up. Whole foods has it, a 1-oz. bottle with dropper-cap is about $9.99. Works to keep bacteria at bay. Shoot a dropper full down your throat once in a while. Do research, don’t take my word for it. I do have experience using it though. It’s like magic.


32 posted on 12/26/2010 10:32:06 AM PST by bicyclerepair
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To: DCBryan1

Beautiful baby...if you have an acute care facility (the walk-in clinic variety), I’d make a run.


33 posted on 12/26/2010 10:32:18 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: DCBryan1

I totally agree with the Olive Oil method, with a twist. BUT - I wouldn’t put liquid in an ear that is draining like that right now, I would take him to the ER or Urgent care and see about getting different antibiotics!

From now on though, to prevent things ever getting that bad again, here is my secret! My oldest got one bad ear infection as a baby, but neither of them ever got another one until they were middle school aged (and I wasn’t as attuned to their ear issues, lol!). There is an herbal preparation you can get in the health food store, made for children, which is a base of olive oil infused with garlic (very antibacterial and antiviral) and mullein, a strong herbal decongestant. Put several drops in his ear any time you notice tugging or fussiness, twice a day for a couple of days, until the child is acting normal again. I also did it when they were toddlers after every party and every visit to Chuck E Cheese! The stuff is amazing. It is in a small brown bottle with a blue and yellow label, but I can’t remember the manufacturer’s name. It is from a line of children’s remedies, though. Good luck and hang in there, it gets better!


34 posted on 12/26/2010 10:35:40 AM PST by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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To: mdmathis6

Thank you for your post. You are absolutely right, in every respect.


35 posted on 12/26/2010 10:38:38 AM PST by golux
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To: DCBryan1

Emerg room....may be way late on this post but:


36 posted on 12/26/2010 10:38:59 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Cailleach

I’m with you. It shouldn’t matter.

I not only had knee surgery, but a C-section, but also neurosurgery. I’ve had nurses of all races. No nurses ever were warmer and more gentle to me than the black nurses I had. I would take them over all the others in a heartbeat. And I’ve been in the hospital a million times.

In my most scared time, I woke up in the middle of the night by mistake (they had given me medicine to rest) and my nurse was sitting right next to my bed. She borrowed the National Enquirer that my sister brought to me (long funny family story) and was reading it to pass the time, while watching over me. And she was holding my hand, thinking I was asleep. It was a comfort I can’t even explain to you.


37 posted on 12/26/2010 10:39:09 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: DCBryan1

My daughter was good for 3-4 ear infections every winter. It’s really nothing to fool around with as it can cause permanent hearing loss. My advice would be to get that cute little one to an immediate care clinic today.


38 posted on 12/26/2010 10:39:23 AM PST by HOP
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To: VRWCer
Keep taking a kid with an ear ache to the doctor....And keep checking for a fever. Also, my pediatrician had them take a hearing test after each bout. I don't know how they can check a baby but I'm sure there is a way.

A friend of mine went deaf. He had been treated for an earache and it had come back....He called his doctor complaining of pain....but couldn't get an appointment right away. The INFECTION burnt the nerves in his ears and he is totally deaf.

Don't be afrid to jump start the system...Those extended care facilities are awesome.

39 posted on 12/26/2010 10:43:43 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DCBryan1
Discharge? It is almost certain that the eardrum has already ruptured. I wouldn't put anything into the ear at this point without getting a doc to look at it. You could cause significant damage. If it were my child I would go to an urgent care clinic asap, but I wouldn't fault you for sticking it out another day and night as long as you are at the pediatric ENT’s doorstep on Monday morning.
40 posted on 12/26/2010 10:44:23 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: t1b8zs

1. Agree, emergency room - as already noted!

2. When the child is about 2 years old and can carry out basic verbal comms, go get a hearing test. If there is hearing loss - sooner it’s tackled aid and habits wise, the better especially for school.

=8-)

(Half deaf myself....)


41 posted on 12/26/2010 10:44:44 AM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: t1b8zs

PS: Does the term maternal instinct still mean anything???????If my folks posted my infant afflictions on a web site and waited to act from the reply,Home boy probly been dead long time back........


42 posted on 12/26/2010 10:45:06 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: DCBryan1

I looked and found these two which would be perfect! Still can’t find the exact brand I used to use though! Hope this helps!

http://www.morningstarhealth.com/9070000411.html

http://www.hbees.com/tuisearoilfo.html?productid=tuisearoilfo&channelid=FROOG


43 posted on 12/26/2010 10:47:22 AM PST by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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Warm the oil (sweet oil) in a pan of hot water, tested on your inner wrist so it’s just barely warm. Cover a hot water bottle in a receiving blanket so it’s just warm and put that up against the ear or side of the face or the neck right under the ear. The warmth will help sooth the pain and break up fluid in the ear. Your little boy is a doll.


44 posted on 12/26/2010 10:49:31 AM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: Cailleach

I think the race of the nurse was mentioned because the poster believed that using olive oil in the ear was a home treatment based on black culture. I don’t think it was meant in a negative way. In fact, I’ve seen this home remedy used in all cultures.


45 posted on 12/26/2010 10:50:32 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: DCBryan1

My daughter (who’s 38 now) had chronic ear infections. We used to use “sweet oil” in a pinch. You used to be able to buy it at the drug store. Warm it up, drop a couple of drops in the ear, then a little cotton to hold it in. It helped.

Finally had to have tubes put in her ears.


46 posted on 12/26/2010 10:50:34 AM PST by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: HOP

Ditto on the mullein.

“An oil produced by macerating Mullein flowers in olive oil in a corked bottle, during prolonged exposure to the sun, or by keeping near the fire for several days, is used as a local application in country districts in Germany for piles and other mucus membrane inflammation, and also for frost bites and bruises. Mullein oil is recommended for earache and discharge from the ear, and for any eczema of the external ear and its canal.

Mullein oil is a valuable destroyer of disease germs. The fresh flowers, steeped for 21 days in olive oil, are said to make an admirable bactericide.”


47 posted on 12/26/2010 10:51:32 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: DCBryan1

I’m a long-time mom and I can tell you, I wouldn’t be waiting around with an infant that young until the doc opened on Monday. And I wouldn’t be putting oil in his ear, even if it does ease symptoms. He needs to be seen in an ER or urgent care walk in. At the very least, if you’re tired and miserable, imagine how miserable and in pain he is. Don’t let a baby go on suffering like that for another 24 hours. It’s possible the first antibiotic did not completely clear it up or now he has a secondary infection of some sort. Drainage from an ear isn’t something to treat at home.

And I’m with the others. Not sure what difference it makes what color the nurse was.


48 posted on 12/26/2010 10:53:34 AM PST by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: DCBryan1

As an RN that worked in a children’s hospital for 6 years, you need to take your child to either an urgent care center or the ER. Do not put anything into the ear. If there is pus draining then the most likely reason is because the ear drum has ruptured. It needs to be treated to prevent hearing loss. Oil is fine as a comfort measure with an intact ear drum, but not treatment and not for your situation. Perhaps there is new info, but we used to alternate Tylenol and ibuprophen for fevers. I personally think Tylenol is unsafe and only used ibuprophen with my kids. As for tubes, they should be a last resort after years of recurrent infections. Wishing you the best and a quick resolution/ healing.


49 posted on 12/26/2010 10:54:31 AM PST by pops88
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To: DCBryan1

use a hair dryer on low to blow warm air into the ear. Not too close. You must keep the ears dry. I used to get ear infections all summer long because I lived in the pool. My doctor told my mother to make sure my ears were dry with q-tips after swimming and that cleared it up. Also, make sure that you hold your infant if bottle feeding. Do not prop a bottle and let him sleep, because the milk will drip into the ear. (I’m not implying that you do that, just that is good advise for all parents of newborns.)


50 posted on 12/26/2010 10:55:04 AM PST by sportutegrl
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