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Windows Phone 7 after two months; impressive sales and Marketplace apps
ZDNet ^ | 21 Dec 2010 | Matthew Miller

Posted on 12/28/2010 11:03:47 AM PST by for-q-clinton

While I was on my flight to Alaska, Mary Jo beat me to the punch with the news that more than 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices have been sold by the manufacturers since the launch in late October (Europe) and early November (U.S.). While these numbers do not show the total bought by consumers, it still is pretty impressive and much more than what some have predicted. Device sales isn’t the whole story with Windows Phone 7 though as we also see a huge growth in applications with over 4,000 apps now available in the Windows Phone Marketplace.

Device sales I think it is pretty impressive that over 1.5 million phones have been sold by manufacturers given that there are two carriers with only four phones that were available at launch in the US and five more phones on multiple carriers outside the US. I would be interested in seeing the breakdown between the US and non-US figures as well. In the US, we have three phones on AT&T and AT&T is the carrier that is focused on iPhone sales. It must take some major advertising and education for people to go into a store and buy a Windows Phone 7 device instead of an iPhone 4. I have seen a ton of LG WP7 commercials on TV so maybe good advertising is working.

T-Mobile only has a single device, the HTC HD7 (see my hands-on look), available in stores and with nearly the same form factor as the failed HTC HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 device it seems like people are pretty hesitant to try this device out. Dell has had some major issues with the Venue Pro and it is just this week arriving in people’s hands after some ordering snafus. You can check out the Pocketnow.com and PhoneArena.com reviews to see this may actually be one of the best Windows Phone 7 devices and people haven’t even had a chance to use it much yet.

We know there will be Sprint and Verizon Windows Phone 7 devices launching in early 2011 and hopefully we see more cool devices announced at CES in a couple of weeks.

Windows Phone Marketplace As you can see on the Bing visual search page there is something like 3,000 apps for the US market with a reported 4,000+ available worldwide. The iPhone had 0 apps for a year before Apple decided to roll out support for 3rd party applications. The App Store opened on 11 July 2008 with 500 apps. After two months there were 3,000 apps, which is just about where we are with Windows Phone 7 at the moment. Apple hit the 15,000 app mark at six months.

The Android Market launched with the release of Android devices in late 2008 and after a couple of months there were 800 free apps. It wasn’t until 17 February 2009 that priced apps were available. Data I found showed that there were 2,300 total apps in the Android Market after six months. Here we are at nearly two months with Windows Phone 7 and we are already at the 4,000 apps level with many of these much higher quality than what we saw in the early Android Market. Games on Windows Phone 7 are all still much better than what we have for Android and games are the hottest selling application category.

So, in regards to the number of apps, Windows Phone 7 is showing they are very competitive to Apple and Google so far. There are also a reported 18,000 developers working on apps for Windows Phone Marketplace.

Thoughts on Windows Phone 7 I have been showing off my HTC HD7 to a lot of folks and I haven’t met a single one that was not impressed with the responsiveness and fluid user interface. I have a few people at work who are waiting for CDMA versions to launch and I haven’t heard of too many people giving up on Windows Phone 7 once they try it. My T-Mobile SIM flip flops between the HD7 and Nokia N8, with most of its time spent in the HD7. It is not perfect and there is definitely room for improvement, but the top notch email experience, full Exchange support, enjoyable gaming, and fun user interface keep me using it as my daily device.

I think we can all acknowledge that Windows Phone 7 is no KIN.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: microsoft; phone; windows
I have a winodws phone 7 and I love it. Android is more like the old failed windows mobile. And the Windows Phone 7 appears poised to compete with the iPhone.

The good news is more competition should make for better products from all.

1 posted on 12/28/2010 11:03:54 AM PST by for-q-clinton
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping please.


2 posted on 12/28/2010 11:04:36 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I’ve had my Dell Venue Pro for about a week now. I like the OS alot and Dell did a solid job on the hardware. Very nice phone.


3 posted on 12/28/2010 11:07:43 AM PST by Daus
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To: for-q-clinton

Will it allow the Manhattan Declaration app....unlike iphone?


4 posted on 12/28/2010 11:09:47 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: for-q-clinton

My rotten service provider (TMobile) doesn’t have the I Phone, the Windows phone or the Blackberry Storm. They have the truly lousy Android, which I tried for 3 days and then dumped because it’s a phone for chit-chatting and not for business.

I’m actually going to pay the money and get out of my contract and get one of the other phones.


5 posted on 12/28/2010 11:18:50 AM PST by livius
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To: for-q-clinton

“I have a windows phone 7 and I love it. Android is more like the old failed windows mobile.”

I’m trying to decide between the Samsung Focus, which runs on Windows Phone 7, and the Samsung Captivate, which runs on Android. I think I would like the Windows Phone 7 operating system a little better, but the Focus was significantly slower in some of the head-to-head tests that I saw on YouTube. I’m guessing that the next generation of Windows Phone 7 devices will run much faster, but I don’t have any idea when they will be coming out. If anyone here has tried both the Samsung Focus and Captivate, I’d be curious to know your opinion.


6 posted on 12/28/2010 11:20:54 AM PST by Texan Tory
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To: for-q-clinton

Yep, here’s hoping that the iPhone finally gets some real competition.


7 posted on 12/28/2010 11:27:25 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Texan Tory

I read a review that said the dell venue pro was the fastest windows phone7, but it has the same processor. So it may be an OEM issue.

OR it could be that they tested with a “Bad” Focus. The focus allows for adding a micro SD card into it but at release there were no micro SD cards certified to work with it. So it could be that they inserted a card that slowed the unit down (there are ton of reports of this on the Internet). I put a 16GB sandisk in and haven’t had any issues (so far).

Anyway, check it out for yourself and see if it’s fast enough for you. To me I don’t notice any lag or long waits to do things.


8 posted on 12/28/2010 11:31:30 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: livius

T-Mobile has the Dell Venue Pro (Win 7), though I ordered it via Dell but it is TMobile service.


9 posted on 12/28/2010 11:32:23 AM PST by Daus
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To: antiRepublicrat

Sad thing about android is that they pretty much made the same exact mistakes as windows mobile. It’s one thing to lose because you tried something new, but to take a failed model and expect a different result is just stupid.


10 posted on 12/28/2010 11:32:49 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
The good news is more competition should make for better products from all.

I hope you are right. But consider, we have Blackberry (RIM), Apple, Symbian, Android, WebOS and now Windows all competing in the same market.

Historically, Microsoft has not been known to promote a product that is not immediately adopted. I offer the Kin One, the Kin Two and the Zune as examples.

IMHO, while Win7 may have a bit more allure - it's not innovative in any significant manner. No Copy, paste, can't multi-task, no tethering - it offers nothing new. It's very late to market - in a market that is already quite mature.

Talk to someone who jumped on one of the Zune products, or the Kin Products and see how happy they have been with support after the sale.

11 posted on 12/28/2010 11:36:10 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

Actually the LG and Samsung DO tether! It just takes a special code entered and the USB port becomes a tether port instead of a zune sync port.

I think the xbox is a better model to look at for the kin/win phone 7 comparison. The original xbox was killed off early but then the 360 came on the market and whipped the reigning champ (sony). But nintendo had a little say in a new game market for motiona gaming. Now Microsoft is targeting that market with the kinect.


12 posted on 12/28/2010 11:47:42 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Texan Tory; for-q-clinton

The Samsung Captivate is simply faster. The ARM cores are close, but the Captivate has far superior graphics acceleration with its PowerVR SGX 540 vs. the Adreno 200.


13 posted on 12/28/2010 11:55:59 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat; Texan Tory

But what does that speed get you? I’m seriously asking because with android most devs have to write to the dumbest standard to make sure the user gets a good experience.

Do the games and apps give more detail when using a better graphics processor (as they do in PC games)? There really isn’t much number crunching on phones yet, so I don’t see that as being a compelling issue unless you do have an app that does some serious number crunching.

This is why iPhone and WP7 are “better” than android. The standards that devs can write do create a common user experience. Why buy a phone with all the power in the world if you can’t use it?

The android UI depends on the OEM and carrier so maybe with the captivate they designed a UI that has even more eye candy than Windows Phone 7. And if so then that power would come in handy.


14 posted on 12/28/2010 12:05:24 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hodar
in a market that is already quite mature

I beg to differ on this...the market is quite young and it's exploding. Most cell phones are still dumb phones. The smart phones are still a very young and growing market.

The PC and MP3 players are exmaples of mature markets.

15 posted on 12/28/2010 12:07:54 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
but then the 360 came on the market and whipped the reigning champ (sony).

One big reason is that the PS3 was far too advanced for its time. Sony was taking a loss of a few hundred dollars each even with the $600 retail price. Given the price, and the fact that developers hadn't gotten used to the new architecture, it did not sell well initially. The PS2 still outsold the PS3 for quite a while.

Another is that Microsoft/IBM ripped off Sony's R&D for the XBox to get to market faster. The Cell processor was a joint venture between IBM, Toshiba and Sony who together invested hundreds of millions of dollars. Microsoft later came to IBM looking for a new CPU, and IBM used the Cell R&D to create the Xenon, which is basically a triple-core version of the Cell's PPE.

For the record, I have all three consoles, and the only console where I've bought a previous generation is the Nintendo, so there's no PlayStation loyalty going on here. IMHO, each has its strengths and weaknesses.

16 posted on 12/28/2010 12:20:24 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: for-q-clinton
On a lighter note, would we see the phone version of the "blue screen of death"? Would the phone need to be re-booted frequently?
17 posted on 12/28/2010 12:26:38 PM PST by Moorings
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To: for-q-clinton
I’m seriously asking because with android most devs have to write to the dumbest standard to make sure the user gets a good experience.

There is such a thing as minimum specs.

Do the games and apps give more detail when using a better graphics processor (as they do in PC games)?

Yes, and a well-written system will use the GPU to accelerate the UI, giving some serious gee-whiz and saving on battery.

This is why iPhone and WP7 are “better” than android. The standards that devs can write do create a common user experience.

Microsoft did well in dictating some pretty high minimum hardware standards, but those have already been surpassed. Soon you will see phones twice as powerful as the WP7 minimum specs, creating the same problem as Android. Already many modern phones have double the minimum of 256 MB RAM, and WP7 only requires a DX9 capable GPU so you will see a wide variation in GPU power on WP7 phones.

18 posted on 12/28/2010 12:28:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Moorings
On a lighter note, would we see the phone version of the "blue screen of death"?

No. Microsoft now uses a Red Screen of Death. :)

Seriously though, my Android 2.1 phone has crashed on me a few times. It became unresponsive once, requiring me to pull the battery, and a couple other times it just spontaneously restarted.

19 posted on 12/28/2010 12:33:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yes, and a well-written system will use the GPU to accelerate the UI, giving some serious gee-whiz and saving on battery.

Can you please give me an example of such apps that exist?

There is more than just processor to the standards though. For example, screen resolution and shape. A developer has to write to the least common denominator or write multiple interfaces for the mariad of screen sizes/resolutions.

I see windows phone doing revisions so that the next windows phone 8 will have a new baseline and then new apps can be written to take advantage of those new standards. Android has multiple version but I understand it's hard to upgrade and it really is tied to the carrier (just like windows mobile was).

20 posted on 12/28/2010 12:51:03 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Another is that Microsoft/IBM ripped off Sony's R&D for the XBox to get to market faster. The Cell processor was a joint venture between IBM, Toshiba and Sony who together invested hundreds of millions of dollars. Microsoft later came to IBM looking for a new CPU, and IBM used the Cell R&D to create the Xenon, which is basically a triple-core version of the Cell's PPE.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about on this. There is just too much wrong to even begin to correct.

But whatever the reason doesn't matter as the xbox made huge in-roads on the playstation and surpassed it. And if the PS3 was so far advanced why is the GPU weaker than the 360's? And why do most all the multiplatform games look best on the 360. I mean technology that is so far advanced should easily have better looking multiplatform games--just like the xbox over the PS2 last generation.

The real issue with the PS3 was that Sony wanted to get bluray on the market and wanted to use their playstation brand to achieve that. They did get the format on the market and bluray didn't fail as beta did; however, it really cost them another market--the gaming market. Which is more valuable? I'm not sure but with everything going digital distribution I think the long term win would be winning the living room.

21 posted on 12/28/2010 12:55:41 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Microsoft now uses a Red Screen of Death.

Haha! As long as we can send an error report back to MS. I have heard some friends complain about their Android phones too.

22 posted on 12/28/2010 12:57:18 PM PST by Moorings
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To: Texan Tory

I’ve had difficulty in the past with Samsung hardware (particularly the GPS), and they were basically non-existent with updates.

If you are a Samsung user and haven’t had these issues, that’s great, but I would research it a bit more.

Just my $.02, if that.


23 posted on 12/28/2010 12:58:06 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: antiRepublicrat; Moorings

Mine focus hasn’t locked up (yet). I’m sure it will happen. But not yet.

In fact the manager at my local ATT store said he’d tried getting the WP7 to lock up but everythign they do it just keeps on trucking. And he said that’s why he can’t wait for his WP7 to come in so he can get rid of his iPhone 4. I was shocked when he said this.

But it does make sense. With WP7 only allowing Microsoft OS core apps to multi-task it eliminates bad behaving apps from crashing the phone. But then you can’t fully multi-task. So if you need 3rd party app multi-tasking be prepared for more freezes and hangs. Choose your poison type thing.


24 posted on 12/28/2010 12:58:56 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Texan Tory

I picked up an Android phone (HTC Evo 4G) a couple of weeks ago... so far it’s a fantastic device... I really am impressed.


25 posted on 12/28/2010 1:07:21 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: scott7278

Yeah, I’ve heard about the serious GPS problems that the Samsung Captivate has been having, but I haven’t yet heard about similar problems with the Focus. I don’t intend to use GPS much, but still it would be nice to know that it’s gonna work when you need it.


26 posted on 12/28/2010 1:22:33 PM PST by Texan Tory
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To: Cementjungle

I agree. I picked up a myTouch 4g with Android 2.2 and I can’t say enough about it. I don’t have any experience with WP7 but most reviews I have found favor Android.


27 posted on 12/28/2010 1:26:08 PM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Texan Tory

My problem is that the GPS would not work with my programs, but it would not turn off, either - the battery would drain down very quickly. This was on two successive phones, so I moved on.


28 posted on 12/28/2010 1:28:08 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: Texan Tory

The samsung focus GPS is rock solid. I go to my map application and in a second it has me pin-pointed. Plus windows phone 7 is able to manage the GPS radio so that it doesn’t drain the battery once you use it. It knows when to turn it on and off.

But the next version of the bing map should really make it a stand out. Right now it’s good but not great. It has the best eye candy but it’s missing a couple key things. Like an arrow for your direction (currently it’s just a diamond) and voice turn-by-turn direction.


29 posted on 12/28/2010 1:33:03 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: scott7278

Might be the application leaving it on. I know on my windows phone 7 samsung focus using GPS doesn’t really impact my battery (meaning it turns off when I leave the application).

May want to look at updating the OS. I know windows mobile used to have this issue but so far windows phone 7 has completley fixed it for me.


30 posted on 12/28/2010 1:35:43 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

That was the weird part. No applications would be running, and the phone would “say” that the GPS was off. However, there was some glitch that needed a reboot to fully turn it off.

It was a known issue for the Blackjack II and the Epix, and I’m using an HTC Evo now. If it’s fixed, that’s great, but I still maintain their updates were very slow, if non-existent.


31 posted on 12/28/2010 1:40:10 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

I had that same issue with HTC phones running windows mobile. I think the issue must have been more driver related. Windows Mobile allowed the OEM to do whatever they wanted and it didn’t supply many of the basics (like even a keyboard driver interface). So all the OEMs did whatever and the end experience was great for some and poor for others. Much like the Android market today.

Some very very good phones and experiences out there, but also some very bad ones. The EVO does look like a good phone to me.


32 posted on 12/28/2010 2:10:33 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

we will know the real impact of windows when verizon and sprint have the 7 version.


33 posted on 12/28/2010 2:19:33 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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34 posted on 12/28/2010 3:17:25 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks for the ping.


35 posted on 12/28/2010 3:22:32 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: for-q-clinton
Android is more like the old failed windows mobile.

I went from Windows Mobile 6.5 (T-Mobile Dash) to Android (Samsung Galaxy S) and the Android is nothing at all like WinMob 6.5.

36 posted on 12/28/2010 4:33:14 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar

Really? How is the overall model different? I’m talking about standards, OEM support and Carrier support.


37 posted on 12/28/2010 5:29:25 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
I’m talking about standards, OEM support and Carrier support.

Please explain. I'm describing my user experience.

38 posted on 12/28/2010 6:26:12 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar

In WM the carrier and oem controlled the experience just like Android. Some good some bad. With WP7 Microsoft controls the experience if you like it on one phone you,will like it on all phones.


39 posted on 12/28/2010 6:52:06 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
Ah. Gotcha. Yah, I'm not happy with one decision made by the carrier (T-Mobile, no tethering).

Though I am otherwise quite happy with T-Mobile, as a 12 to 13 year customer (including Voicestream days), though their rural coverage is not as good as other carriers.

And my overall experience with the T-Mobile Vibrant is way above the T-Mobile Dash; the Dash was far better than the phones that preceded it (with it I retired the PDA), but the Vibrant has been delivering much more.

I don't use a bunch of different phones and am not at all ready to change carriers, so if the phone is "good enough" I am satisfied. (Long ago this techie decided to hang back from the "bleeding edge of technology" as a consumer and let others take the arrows first.)

40 posted on 12/28/2010 7:04:05 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar

If you have an android I’m sure there’s a way to hack the phone to allow it to tehter :-)

Even my samsung focus allows me to tether (with a diagnostic code to change the usb port to a tethering port).


41 posted on 12/29/2010 7:17:18 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Yes, there are suggestions posted on how to tether it. Most don’t work.


42 posted on 12/29/2010 7:59:07 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: ShadowAce

Tech Ping, please!!


43 posted on 12/29/2010 10:21:36 AM PST by Kath (Luvya DubyaI)
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To: Kath

See Post #34


44 posted on 12/29/2010 12:10:11 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Texan Tory

i have the captivate since it came out. bought it release date and i hate it. very buggy piece of crap. email app crashes constantly, gps is horrible. The only thing I like is the video and picture quality. the rest is junk. I buy windows phone 7 tomorrow....

samsung has also been promising froyo for months and still nothing...


45 posted on 12/29/2010 5:21:21 PM PST by dubie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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