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Ancient Maya Temples Were Giant Loudspeakers?
National Geographic News ^ | December 16, 2010 | Ker Than

Posted on 12/30/2010 7:01:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Centuries before the first speakers and subwoofers, ancient Americans -- intentionally or not -- may have been turning buildings into giant sound amplifiers and distorters to enthrall or disorient audiences, archaeologists say.

Temples at the ancient Maya city of Palenque (map) in central Mexico, for example, might have formed a kind of "unplugged" public-address system, projecting sound across great distances, according to a team led by archaeologist Francisca Zalaquett of the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México.

Zalaquett's team recently discovered that Palenque's Northern Group of public squares and temples -- built around roughly A.D. 600 -- is especially good at projecting the human voice as well as sounds like those that would have been made by musical instruments found at the site...

Performers and priests may have stood atop these temples or in specialized projection rooms, which still exist, to broadcast songs and chants throughout the squares. The Maya are known to have to held public rites to commemorate enthronements, births of nobles, and war victories as well as to honor deities, Zalaquett said.

The "amplifiers" would have been the buildings themselves, and their acoustics may have even been purposely enhanced by the strategic application of stucco coatings, Zalaquett's findings suggest. Measurements at some of the buildings still bearing stucco suggest it may have changed the absorption and reflection of sounds.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; maya; mayan; mayans
Maya temple ruins in the Northern Group complex at Palenque, Mexico. [Photograph by Panoramic Images/National Geographic]

Ancient Maya Temples Were Giant Loudspeakers?

1 posted on 12/30/2010 7:01:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 12/30/2010 7:02:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Jensen Tri-axel ping.


3 posted on 12/30/2010 7:16:35 PM PST by gigster
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To: SunkenCiv
I haven't decided which Mayan ruin I will visit when I visit Belize in February. It seems, they are finding them faster than I can visit.
4 posted on 12/30/2010 7:19:01 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: SunkenCiv
is especially good at projecting the human voice as well as sounds like those that would have been made by musical instruments found at the site...

geeeeze, some ignorant acoustic archeological "engineers"

like... what other sounds, or what different frequencies would there be? Suppressing low frequency Oooobama fart?

5 posted on 12/30/2010 7:31:26 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: SunkenCiv
That's not a horn,...these are horns:


6 posted on 12/30/2010 7:34:05 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
South African Horn:


7 posted on 12/30/2010 7:36:49 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

But can you turn it up to “eleven?”


8 posted on 12/30/2010 7:39:30 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: razorback-bert
The ball field at Chichenitza, about an hour from Cancun, is acoustically outstanding. One person on one end can talk to a person at the other end in normal tone and hear them perfectly.

http://chichenitza-tour.com/

9 posted on 12/30/2010 7:40:12 PM PST by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: Grizzled Bear
French Horns: The room in the back is a Bass horn able to go to 18.5 Hz flat response to 108dB.


10 posted on 12/30/2010 7:42:43 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Probably used it to project the screams of their human sacrifices as they cut their beating hearts out of their chests, so everybody could enjoy.


11 posted on 12/30/2010 7:46:34 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: AGreatPer

Been there three times, once to see the serpent come down.
Need a fourth trip to see the Nunnery.


12 posted on 12/30/2010 7:51:20 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Horsecrap.


13 posted on 12/30/2010 8:00:25 PM PST by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: seowulf

You say that like multiculturalism is a bad thing.


14 posted on 12/30/2010 8:15:27 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: seowulf
"Probably used it to project the screams of their human sacrifices as they cut their beating hearts out of their chests, so everybody could enjoy."

That was an Aztec thing, wasn't it? I know the Maya had all kinds of blood sacrifices (shoving a stingray barb through your genitalia is sure to generate some acoustics, btw), but did they do the chest cutting routine too?

15 posted on 12/30/2010 8:21:59 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Can you hear me now??


16 posted on 12/30/2010 8:34:46 PM PST by katana (Harmless children of nature)
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To: Flag_This

From the recesses of my memory I recall that the bloody human sacrifices were part of the ritual throughout central America where wars between cities were religious experiences and the captives were taken to the winning city and ritually sacrificed.

I think the beating heart removal was common as well as beheadings followed by use of a severed head as a ball in something like a game of soccer.

Of course the losers were also sacrificed.

A good time had by all.

It is thought that the constant wars were a big contributing factor to the end of the civilization. You can only sacrifice so many peasants before there is nobody left to grow the corn.


17 posted on 12/30/2010 8:36:32 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: SunkenCiv


18 posted on 12/30/2010 8:37:51 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: seowulf
"I think the beating heart removal was common as well as beheadings followed by use of a severed head as a ball in something like a game of soccer."

I guess I'm suffering from severe brain lock. I knew they killed boat-loads of people, I know about the skull racks and chacmools and stuff. It was the technique they used that had me confused, but you're right - they were chest cutters, too.

19 posted on 12/30/2010 8:47:48 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They’ve described rock concerts.


20 posted on 12/30/2010 8:55:08 PM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Mayan be a simulation program out by 2012?

It would be cool to have this all virtually before then.


21 posted on 12/30/2010 9:32:58 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: SunkenCiv

So this is how they talked to the alien space ships from the future prior to the invention of tin foil.


22 posted on 12/30/2010 9:47:43 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Cvengr

Horns are good. Large straight horns are really good, major SPL with moderate output tube equipment.

23 posted on 12/30/2010 11:06:47 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: SunkenCiv; All

While reading the continuation of the article I found myself wondering about the labyrinth of Crete, and the paleolitic caves of France and Spain. One of the comments also raised the question of Crete, caves, and underground temples of Malta.


24 posted on 12/31/2010 1:18:44 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Seven plus One

http://www.wavemusic.com/community/attachment.php?s=5c00097a80319eca1b40c2686a063e7c&attachmentid=1997&d=1220253676


25 posted on 12/31/2010 3:06:10 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: razorback-bert

If you go to Chichenitza, and that is really a must visit site, be sure to check out a small area near one of the non-descript stone buildings which has stone reliefs of all the known animals in the jungle — your guide will know where this is -— on one panel you will see what looks very much like a horse... which as you know was not know to be in the Americas at that time.


26 posted on 12/31/2010 4:09:05 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: Cvengr

27 posted on 12/31/2010 4:23:26 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: razorback-bert

Have a great time! There may be some FReepers with some tips:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1020208/posts?page=28#28
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1020208/posts?page=35#35


28 posted on 12/31/2010 6:17:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Leo Carpathian; seowulf; Adder; Waverunner

There’s been recent interest in the acoustical experiences of past civs, because it’s something that can actually still be studied where the monuments have survived — Stonehenge, PreColumbian complexes, Greek theaters, caves — and band shells, which in the first half of the twentieth century were still popular, but have declined in use (and are no longer constructed) because of the vast improvement in electronic amplification.


29 posted on 12/31/2010 6:29:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: gigster; Cvengr; Grizzled Bear; katana; Seven plus One

LOL!


30 posted on 12/31/2010 6:30:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: TheBigIf
;') [singing] two thousand uno du'os party over says the lights of heaven /
tonight i'm gonna party like it's two thousand eleven
December 20, 2012

31 posted on 12/31/2010 6:31:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: seowulf

You betcha!


32 posted on 12/31/2010 6:35:47 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: decimon; JoeProBono; gleeaikin; AGreatPer

Thanks!


33 posted on 12/31/2010 6:36:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: seowulf

Giving birth to open mike night.


34 posted on 12/31/2010 6:37:23 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Cvengr
I like these acoustics better...


35 posted on 12/31/2010 6:44:15 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: PIF
Been to Chichenitza once to see the serpent come down. Clouds messed it up at the very last minute. Would love to go again but not with the current violence in Mexico. The local crafts on sale at the solstice are worth the trip if nothing else.

Cozumel has a small stone temple or two that legend has was an early warning for hurricanes as it supposedly started making a loud sound when the wind got to a certain speed.

36 posted on 12/31/2010 7:44:02 AM PST by nomorelurker
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To: nomorelurker
Haven't been to Chichenitza in a few years, but elsewhere in Mexico buying local crafts is now a crap shoot. None of the good stuff I use to buy, a lot made in some local Chinese shop. There is a factory on the road from Playa Camen to Tulem, where they do make nice things by hand using modern power machines and the price are right.
37 posted on 12/31/2010 8:18:39 AM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Giving birth to open mike night.

Exactly...karaoke.

Except the way we do it the audience suffers.

38 posted on 12/31/2010 9:00:40 AM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Cvengr
This little book was a large feature in the corruption of my life when I was 15 or so. Technology useful to the Mayans, since they didn't have transistors yet, and I'll assume they were restricted to whatever a quad of pentodes could deliver in class AB. Tons 'O fun. Mr. Bose ruined all of that with his 901, which would absorb 100 watts just to be audible, but still sounded great, and took up hardly any space.
39 posted on 12/31/2010 9:05:56 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: seowulf
I think the last thing one would want hear at one of those is the high priest doing his opening act;

...great to see so many people here from out of town. Are you guys alriiiight! Great last act of “Stop Dragging My Heart Around.” Before our next performance of “Someone Could Lose A Heart Tonight,” can I get a volunteer from the audience?

40 posted on 12/31/2010 9:54:43 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Cvengr
That guy has been in every apartment building I've lived in!

Unfortunately, he plays the worst music possible at 3am

41 posted on 12/31/2010 11:11:47 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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