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So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? (Vanity?)
Officer.com ^ | 1-23-2008 | jwise

Posted on 01/01/2011 10:02:58 PM PST by scott7278

INTRO

Let me guess, you have seen a few models in your local store, you have seen some ads in the gun rags, and a "guy" you know thinks his rifle is "the best." And now you need some help separating the wheat from the chaff, and have come here to find out what is best for you. Am I close?

I am going to assume you plan to take this into harm's way, or at least want a rifle CAPABLE of being taken onto a "two-way" range. If you just want a recreational shooter, just pick up whatever fits your budget at your local gunshop. If it doesn't work as advertised, no one gets hurt. But for those whose lives depend on meeting evil in this present age with force, and lots of it, keep reading...

The first question you SHOULD ask yourself, is "what's allowed?" For sworn Law Enforcement Officers employed by a department/agency, this could be as simple as "quality rifle approved by the Range Master." Or, it could be as picky as "Colt or Rock River Arms" (Dallas PD.) So BE SURE you get something that FITS YOUR POLICY, as well as fits your needs. Let's keep going...

Secondly, you should assess your tactical parameters. Are you a lone deputy out in the sticks? Are you a member of a dedicated SWAT team in an urban setting? This will all play into what you should look into. We'll talk about that later, so let's move along for now...

In addition, we need to consider what options you will be needing, and what accessories you will be running. These can range from slings, to sights, to lights, etc...

Regardless, you will need a rifle that is DEAD NUTS RELIABLE, and made to a degree of quality assurance...

(Excerpt) Read more at forums.officer.com ...


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One of my New Year's resolutions is to build my own AR-15, and I came across this treasure trove of information. I wanted to post it here for you all as well, and to get feedback if you think there are better options out there (please let me know why). There are PLENTY of pictures at the link!

Happy New Year!

1 posted on 01/01/2011 10:03:01 PM PST by scott7278
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To: scott7278
...or at least want a rifle CAPABLE of being taken onto a "two-way" range.

Is that where the targets can shoot back?

2 posted on 01/01/2011 10:06:11 PM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: scott7278

BFL


3 posted on 01/01/2011 10:08:08 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Last Dakotan

Yep! Preferably not, though. ;)


4 posted on 01/01/2011 10:08:21 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

Army Regulation???


5 posted on 01/01/2011 10:08:51 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (I am proclaiming 2011 as the year of ME!)
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To: Doomonyou

ditto...good night


6 posted on 01/01/2011 10:12:33 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: scott7278

I’ve never owned an AR, but would like to get one. I did carry an M16 back in the 60’s, early 70’s. I’m in CA so we’re also pretty restricted as to what we can have here.


7 posted on 01/01/2011 10:13:34 PM PST by umgud
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I think Gov’t Profile is reasonable - but there’s no need to go heavier, IMO.


8 posted on 01/01/2011 10:16:14 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Actually, I'd prefer something chambered in .308 (or a Garand in 30-06).

9 posted on 01/01/2011 10:16:59 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: scott7278

Happy New Year to ALL,

as for the AR-15

I have looked into the semi auto history and mechanical issues of many semi auto’s and made my choice, this was not to go with the AR platform. I shall not mention my choice but suffice to say I am happy we still have a choice, not only as to what we buy, but being able to buy and own it in the first place.

Regards
EL


10 posted on 01/01/2011 10:22:06 PM PST by Eureka_Lead
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To: dagogo redux

I would love to get me a Mosin-Nagant. Is there anyplace from where you’ve had luck buying?


11 posted on 01/01/2011 10:26:35 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: Eureka_Lead

You can PM me if you’d like...I love guns in general and don’t fight over them. ;)


12 posted on 01/01/2011 10:29:50 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

Go to a gun show. There are always a few. Sometimes Gander Mountain has them at a decent price (for retail).


13 posted on 01/01/2011 10:30:33 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Have you ever shot one of those old steel but plate, “ German Whackers:?????There are lots or reasons the Russians wore all of the clothes they could find besides the weather. Good Luck, go to Gun Dealer. Com.


14 posted on 01/01/2011 10:38:08 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (" Let go, and Let God")
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To: Eureka_Lead
I shall not mention my choice but suffice to say I am happy we still have a choice,

Okay, but I'd really, really, really, really like to know. Really. Please?
15 posted on 01/01/2011 10:38:14 PM PST by andyk (Hi, my name's Andy, and I am a BF 1942 / Desert Combat junkie.)
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To: scott7278
As long as it's .308, it's serious. Otherwise, it's just fun.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

16 posted on 01/01/2011 10:50:34 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: scott7278

Outstanding thread!!!!

I totally LOVE my AR. They are the sweetest shooting rifles ever made. A real pleasure to shoot.


17 posted on 01/01/2011 10:55:21 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: The Comedian

Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about! Hoo rah!


18 posted on 01/01/2011 10:57:41 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: KoRn

How’s the accuracy? Who made the upper and the lower, if you don’t mind me asking?


19 posted on 01/01/2011 11:00:35 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: BooBoo1000
Have you ever shot one of those old steel but plate, “ German Whackers:?????There are lots or reasons the Russians wore all of the clothes they could find besides the weather. Good Luck, go to Gun Dealer. Com.

Oh yes. M44, M38, 91-30; several of each. Can't beat them for the price and until the past few years ammo was dirt cheap. Sealed containers with 400-500 rounds at $100 or less. Thankfully I always bought extra :-)

20 posted on 01/01/2011 11:06:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: scott7278

Both upper and lower are DPMS.

Fairly accurate, even with ‘cheap’ ammo. It’ll put every round into the center ring on a target at 100m.


21 posted on 01/01/2011 11:13:14 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: BooBoo1000

22 posted on 01/01/2011 11:21:29 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: KoRn

Sweet!


23 posted on 01/01/2011 11:21:55 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: The Comedian

24 posted on 01/01/2011 11:22:59 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Last Dakotan

Not if you shoot them with .308 from 600yrds...


25 posted on 01/01/2011 11:23:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: JoeProBono

Here’s to advancement!


26 posted on 01/01/2011 11:23:51 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

27 posted on 01/01/2011 11:36:26 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Here’s one in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I


28 posted on 01/01/2011 11:36:46 PM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: umgud
There are CA Legal AR’s. They have 10 round magazines that have to be removed using a “tool”. I bought a Stag, but the Smith and Wesson is really a nice gun. It was just more than I could afford at the time.

The tool on mine is a bullet button. There is even some argument that you have to load the gun from the top rather than removing the Magazine to be legal. CA is nuts...

I sold my AK-47 to an out of State buyer, the only way you can sell a registered “Assault Weapon” in CA. Sold it for two reasons, needed the money and I wanted to be taken off the State Assault Weapon Owner Data Base. Just a little too much Big Brother for my taste.

I advise you to get the CA Legal AR, or any firearm for that matter, before Moonbeam and his cronies outlaw them as well. Isn't it wonderful living in a Police State that has no regard for the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence?

29 posted on 01/01/2011 11:48:43 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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To: scott7278

Good night, all!


30 posted on 01/02/2011 12:07:15 AM PST by scott7278 ( "...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278

If you are going to waste your money at least go with quality, and get a GALIL.


31 posted on 01/02/2011 12:19:51 AM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: Kickass Conservative

why are you still living there? Why won’t republicans and conservatives boycott these socialist states like democrats did to arizona? move out of that stinking state. If all of the conservatives left they wouldn’t have money to pay for the 80% of garbage in california.


32 posted on 01/02/2011 12:22:54 AM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: Stayfrosty

Asked my son what he wanted for Christmas.
“Peace on earth, good will toward men.” was his reply.
I got him a DPMS Panther AR-15.
I told him it was a do-it-yourself project.


33 posted on 01/02/2011 2:18:51 AM PST by american_ranger
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To: The Comedian

While I do have two AR platforms one being a post ban with carry handle and the other a preban flat top with a red dot scope they are basically as simple as can be.

My M1A is slightly tuned up, I picked up a fiberglass GI M14 stock, filled in the select fire notch, embedded some pieces of carbon fiber hunting arrows inside the for end so it would be more rigid at the front clamp with JB Steelweld and made sure the op rod cleared them, I painted the stock in black “wrinkle” paint applied with a hot air gun.

And the areas where there is the checkering I used a paint called stone spatter paint in dark grey, makes for a gritty tough texture. All the metal parts on the buttstock like the plate and door was painted with ceramic black header paint and baked.

Other than a modified First Generation SA aluminum mount that I made reliable and a 2.5x10x50 Leupold NM tactical scope its pretty much stock. I did add a laceup high rise cheek pad. I would really love to have the JAE stock, I hear Promag will have one that looks just like it but its made out of polymers and carbon fiber, for around $300.

This is my serious shooting iron, if I were to do anything else for the AR platforms I would go with the .450 or 6.5 conversion. I just simply do not trust the .223 unless its one of my exotic reloads like with a Barnes Triple shock or Varmint grenade. I do have some 75gr. loads for “if and when”.


34 posted on 01/02/2011 2:50:53 AM PST by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: scott7278

I have had good luck with Bushmaster AR15s. They seem better then the service rifles I carried. I have an Armalite AR10 as well. It seems pretty nice. Gonna work up some target loads for it this summer and I hope to see 1 MOA. We’ll see. I have seen a bushmaster xm15e2s (Bushmaster’s standard AR15) with a trigger job and a nikon scope shoot about .25 moa incidentally (it might have been closer to .223 moa-hole for hole actually).


35 posted on 01/02/2011 2:57:20 AM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: scott7278

My kids are amazed at how scary accurate I am with mine.

With standard issue open sights.


36 posted on 01/02/2011 3:01:59 AM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: JoeProBono

There ya go!

Looks to be a low numbered gun.

I have one very similar, except it has custom sights mounted in the rear.


37 posted on 01/02/2011 3:07:04 AM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: dagogo redux

Roger that. “One shot, one kill” works for snipers. I’m no sniper but when you have a finite supply of ammo and no more is coming, it’s a good philosophy to follow.


38 posted on 01/02/2011 3:57:36 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: scott7278
J&G Sales has lots of excellent quality 91-30s for under $100. The prices have actually dropped recently.

The last place I know of with a supply of M44 carbines is Hunters Lodge.

39 posted on 01/02/2011 4:14:05 AM PST by jboot
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To: Kickass Conservative

Hmm, does that mean CA doesn’t like the Thompson in my closet my father snuck home from WWII?


40 posted on 01/02/2011 4:20:03 AM PST by Pylon (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: scott7278

I love my Bushmaster. Accurate, comfortable, and it does what I need it to do, when I need it done. Ammo was cheap for a long time, and the stockpile is still cool and dry...inside the waterproof boxes that all fell overboard when I was boating last summer...
The AR, along with the 1911-A1’s, and the Mossberg 500, is a respectable home arsenal, IMO.

Great Thread!


41 posted on 01/02/2011 4:36:16 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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> Regardless, you will need a rifle that is DEAD NUTS RELIABLE, and made to a degree of quality assurance...

I was issued a really nice M14 when I arrived in VietNam. 5 months later they took it away from me and gave me a piece of crap M16. Twice the damn thing jammed on me, once on the firing range and once during a fire fight.


42 posted on 01/02/2011 4:38:34 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: The Comedian

BFLR....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&client=mv-google&hl=en&rl=yes&v=yvvzeu33ZA4


43 posted on 01/02/2011 4:50:05 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: scott7278

Gunbroker.com or AuctionArms.com

You will be able to get a 91/30 for ~$100 + ~$25 shipping + dealer transfer at your end if you don’t have a C&R FFL.

Or you can get an older 91 Mosin Nagant, which is an antique and have it sent directly to you, but the differential in cost will be greater than your dealer transfer cost.


44 posted on 01/02/2011 5:19:26 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: scott7278
Question: Why do you want a weapon that fires a 223 caliber bullet and is weak at long range. Also one that builds up debris in the bolt and breech?

If you are working close, a 7.62 AK-47 variant might be better. If you are working out at a distance, perhaps an M-14 variant.

You need hitting power and accuracy in varying degrees depending upon the distance you are working from your target.

I will go get my flame suit on now.

45 posted on 01/02/2011 5:20:14 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Personally, I agree with what you said.


46 posted on 01/02/2011 5:26:29 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: scott7278
I would love to get me a Mosin-Nagant. Is there anyplace from where you’ve had luck buying?

There are many sporting goods stores that sell them surplus. Do you have a Big 5 nearby? They always have them on sale for $99.

47 posted on 01/02/2011 5:40:39 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL! My wrist already hurts and I can feel the imprint of the barrel across my face...


48 posted on 01/02/2011 5:42:01 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob; scott7278

Just be prepared to deal with cosmoline removal.


49 posted on 01/02/2011 5:45:58 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
I am a lifetime member of Sniper corps. (One of the early ones.) I fully agree, that why on Earth would someone want to place their life in the hands of such a dismal and pathetic round as the 5.56, based on the even more pathetic platform as the AR-15/M-16?

The best choice for protection is not high volume of fire, because if you find yourself in such close quarters with your enemy, somebody screwed up BIG TIME!

What really matters is, using a weapon that is capable of taking out their brain stems from 1,000 meters, where they can't tell where the shot came from or see the shooter.

That kind of accuracy and range has no match, and using your ammo carefully and effectively also has no other rivals. In the coming future, if the World ever does find itself wrapped in Anarchy again, One-Shot-One-Kill will be the only motto, or “Silent souls leave .308 holes.)

And the AR-15 is not even remotely capable of that tactical advantage.

Remington model 700 BDL, accurized and custom tuned, in the very least 7.62 NATO (308 Win.) or better yet, 300 Win. Mag., will prove to be the best choice every time.

50 posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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