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Do Cholesterol Drugs Do Any Good?
Bloomberg Business Week ^ | 01/17/2008 | John Carey

Posted on 01/06/2011 6:16:40 PM PST by Pining_4_TX

Yes, Wright saw, the drugs can be life-saving in patients who already have suffered heart attacks, somewhat reducing the chances of a recurrence that could lead to an early death. But Wright had a surprise when he looked at the data for the majority of patients, like Winn, who don't have heart disease. He found no benefit in people over the age of 65, no matter how much their cholesterol declines, and no benefit in women of any age. He did see a small reduction in the number of heart attacks for middle-aged men taking statins in clinical trials. But even for these men, there was no overall reduction in total deaths or illnesses requiring hospitalization—despite big reductions in "bad" cholesterol. "Most people are taking something with no chance of benefit and a risk of harm," says Wright. Based on the evidence, and the fact that Winn didn't actually have angina, Wright changed his mind about treating him with statins—and Winn, too, was persuaded. "Because there's no apparent benefit," he says, "I don't take them anymore."

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KEYWORDS: cholesterol; heartdisease; statins
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Yes, this is an old article, but it has important information about statins, cholesterol, and how data from studies are "managed" to make drugs seem more effective than they really are. Once again, results are reported in terms of a relative risk rather than absolute, where a small number of events magically becomes a large percentage.
1 posted on 01/06/2011 6:16:43 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: neverdem

ping


2 posted on 01/06/2011 6:18:58 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

Some people’s bodies make lots of cholesterol. For them it’s a life saver. Most of us don’t need drugs, just proper diet and exercise.


3 posted on 01/06/2011 6:20:10 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: Pining_4_TX

What are our brains made of?


4 posted on 01/06/2011 6:20:42 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Well, they do make some people very wealthy. Can that be a good?


5 posted on 01/06/2011 6:21:50 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Pining_4_TX

It just depends on the individual.


6 posted on 01/06/2011 6:21:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Cisco Nix

Welcome to FR


7 posted on 01/06/2011 6:22:24 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: goodwithagun

I wuz told mine was made of nothing...


8 posted on 01/06/2011 6:23:04 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: goodwithagun
What are our brains made of?

Mostly cholesterol? And if you lost all your cholesterol, the cells of your body would fall apart into soon to be no longer twitching goo.
9 posted on 01/06/2011 6:23:39 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Pining_4_TX
Get off your Asus and get some exercise and less Dorito’s in front of the TV

What is the major mystery about it?

10 posted on 01/06/2011 6:23:39 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Do Cholesterol Drugs Do Any Good?”

They do, but to corp profits. Nothing beats a healthy lifestyle


11 posted on 01/06/2011 6:24:02 PM PST by mewykwistmas
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To: Pining_4_TX

I was prescribed statins but then, after net research, rejected them before even taking one pill. I ate lots of oatmeal instead and brought down my cholesterol from 230’s to 180’s in about six months.

However, I am having a to fight off an urge to join the Quaker Church. Dang, there are side effects to everything.


12 posted on 01/06/2011 6:24:12 PM PST by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: aruanan

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Anybody know why “healthy cholesterol levels” have been set lower and lower over the past few years?


13 posted on 01/06/2011 6:25:59 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Bfl


14 posted on 01/06/2011 6:26:17 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Pining_4_TX

One will get much better results from daily doses of high potency Omega 3 oils (most often fish oil fatty acids) and Turmeric. These two supplements are cheap and they work... to reduce inflammation in the entire body - including the coronary arteries... which is as important or even more important that reducing cholesterol... There are some reported Cholesterol reducing effects too...

Available at most any drug store... Plus there are practically no side effects....


15 posted on 01/06/2011 6:26:48 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: decimon; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; Walkingfeather

ping


16 posted on 01/06/2011 6:27:54 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Cisco Nix

Only those with genetic hypelipidemia is it helpful. It hurts all always.


17 posted on 01/06/2011 6:28:28 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: ICCtheWay

Have you read Anti-Cancer by Dr. David Servant-Schreiber?


18 posted on 01/06/2011 6:28:59 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Heart attacks are due to mostly to chronic inflammation of the blood vessels.


19 posted on 01/06/2011 6:28:59 PM PST by devere
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To: HerrBlucher

“However, I am having a to fight off an urge to join the Quaker Church. Dang, there are side effects to everything.”

Ha, ha, ha... Did you hair grow down to your shoulders and turn white, too?


20 posted on 01/06/2011 6:29:48 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: ICCtheWay

LOL... so regular pharmaceuticals are useless, but untested and unproven snake oil is better. LOL.

“No side effects” is another way of saying “no effects”.

Whatever.


21 posted on 01/06/2011 6:36:47 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Pining_4_TX; neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl

Thanks. I’ll round up the usual suspects.

Ping


22 posted on 01/06/2011 6:39:03 PM PST by decimon
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To: traderrob6
There are many if not most doctors that will try to put you on medication when your cholesterol is high. They will swear to it. So the answer is to find a new doctor? Argue with someone with an MD? Believe your doctor or believe this study? It can be quit a dilemma for someone that is sick.
23 posted on 01/06/2011 6:40:34 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Well, it didn’t grow down to my shoulders anyway.


24 posted on 01/06/2011 6:41:10 PM PST by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I prefer my statins with a big glass of grapefruit juice.


25 posted on 01/06/2011 6:41:49 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Ramius

Try these supplements for six months and your skeptical nature will subside... statins and other drugs don’t produce the results claimed without significant side effects...

If you think Omega 3 oils, Turmeric, Vitamins B, C, D and E are snake oil then you are just ignorant... nothing less - and nothing more... just ignorant...


26 posted on 01/06/2011 6:43:07 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: Pining_4_TX

I thank the Creator that you have not bought into this junk!


27 posted on 01/06/2011 6:43:23 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: goodwithagun

No I haven’t read Anti-Cancer by Dr. David Servant-Schreiber - but I will look it up and check it out...


28 posted on 01/06/2011 6:44:20 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: ICCtheWay

Just cook at home, hon.


29 posted on 01/06/2011 6:46:12 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Silentgypsy

I’m sure you know what your comment means - but I don’t get it.

You say — “Just cook at home, hon.” — I do and have for many years...

?


30 posted on 01/06/2011 6:48:23 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: Vendome

Welcome to FR Vendome.


31 posted on 01/06/2011 6:48:26 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: ICCtheWay
After I read it I purchased two more copies: One for my parents and one for my in-laws. The author is a cancer survivor who uses holistic methods to keep his cancer at bay. He started doing this after his cancer came back for the third time. All of his info is researched material and published studies. He doesn't make any claims that eating broccoli and nothing but broccoli will cure cancer. In fact, he claims that there is no natural way to cure cancer, but there are natural ways to prevent it and stop it from growing once it starts. The book jacket says everyone has cancer cells but not all of us will get cancer. Anyway, it is a fascinating read. Especially when he explains what cancer is (the body overreacting to inflammation) and how it grows.
32 posted on 01/06/2011 6:49:05 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

They’ve never worked for me. My cardiologist took me off Lipitor when I ended up in the emergency room doubled over in pain and found out my liver enzymes were out of whack due to the Lipitor. Now he doesn’t want me taking anything. Plus, whenever I took statins I got no benefit.

My wife is the same way. They simply do not work.


33 posted on 01/06/2011 6:49:30 PM PST by Terry Mross ( Time for a true conservative third party.)
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To: ICCtheWay; Ramius

And don’t forget that the CDC reported no deaths from vitamins in 2008 and 2009. Last 150,000 died from Tylenol.


34 posted on 01/06/2011 6:51:09 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

From what I have heard, there was a very spirited debate about whether cholesterol levels were a true indicator of heart health and whether a “high” cholesterol level could lead to heart disease. I suspect that drug companies were behind the push to declare cholesterol a “bad” thing.


35 posted on 01/06/2011 6:51:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: ICCtheWay; Ramius

And don’t forget that the CDC reported no deaths from vitamins in 2008 and 2009. Last year 150,000 died from Tylenol.


36 posted on 01/06/2011 6:51:26 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ICCtheWay

Just eat at home, enjoy, and ignore the advisement of the “experts.” I’m here 16 years longer than the “experts” predicted that I would be. Just keep doin’ what you’re doin’!


37 posted on 01/06/2011 6:52:41 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: goseminoles

Don’t they sort of cancel each other out?


38 posted on 01/06/2011 6:55:52 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: goseminoles

Or maybe you know about the interaction....


39 posted on 01/06/2011 6:57:21 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Pining_4_TX

Oxidation of the fat cells is what triggers a heart attack and not cholesterol. That is why we take antioxidants. The reason why our bodies produce cholesterol is to protect our arteries. When we get older our arteries get soft and the cholesterol helps that.

Plenty of Homocysteine in our blood is the common denominatior of heart attacks and cancer. Homocysteine is the stuff that’s put in cows, chickens, etc.. to fatten them up. Vitamin B6 dissolves the Homocysteine in your blood.

http://www.drpasswater.com/nutrition_library/homocysteine.html

Take plenty of the following if you don’t want a heartattack or cancer.

B6
Vitamin C
Vitamin E (multi Tocopherols)

Also take Fish Oil (Keep it in the Fridge)
Flaxseed Oil (Also stored in the Fridge in a Natural Cold Pressed non see through bottle)

Finally Alkaline your body with plenty of water and food vs. Acidic bodes help the bad stuff manifest in you vs. and Alkaline body. Most of the bad stuff cannot survive in an Alkaline environment.

For the record I have not been sick in over 4 years. Not even so much as a common cold. My annual allergies are long gone too. I’m not even allergic to cats anymore. Although I still like dogs better.

Keep in mind I still eat crap. I just try to do everything in moderation. Hope this helps you out.


40 posted on 01/06/2011 7:02:18 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: Silentgypsy

Forgot the /s. Sorry...


41 posted on 01/06/2011 7:02:25 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Cisco Nix
Some people’s bodies make lots of cholesterol.

And some people's bodies make NONE. Remember, there's two types of Cholesterol, HDL and LDL. One is good, the other is bad.

In my case, my bad cholesterol wasn't bad, but my good cholesterol was non-existant. Lipitor fixed that.

42 posted on 01/06/2011 7:02:59 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Right. I’m glad you found a remedy.


43 posted on 01/06/2011 7:06:39 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: goodwithagun

Taking Tylenol too often and especially after consuming alcohol for a consistent period of time will be harmful to your health. One’s kidneys do not react well to a steady diet of Tylenol - especially after alcohol intake...

Inflammation even at the cellular level is the most common event in the beginning of disease - from cancer to heard disease... Reduce inflammation and one can reduce life threatening problems...


44 posted on 01/06/2011 7:09:42 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: ICCtheWay

Yah, OK. I figured as much.

Does your Doctor have a bone through his nose? Do you go in for palm readings and tea leaves too? Or is hippy medicine where you draw the line?

:-)

Really... I’m just kidding. Don’t get angry. :-)


45 posted on 01/06/2011 7:13:19 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Google “Magnesium and Cholesterol” and you’ll see that Magnesium is MORE EFFECTIVE than statins without the side effects, plus the other benefits are tremendous. People with kidney disease however need to be careful.


46 posted on 01/06/2011 7:16:23 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Pining_4_TX

MAGNESIUM IS THE KEY FOLKS:
http://www.nutritionalconcepts.com/Newsletters/09152007.htm


47 posted on 01/06/2011 7:17:20 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Sprite518
Finally Alkaline your body with plenty of water and food

How do you alkaline your body?

48 posted on 01/06/2011 7:17:48 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: goodwithagun

Dunno, but my cholesterol was in the normal range and the doc said we can get it lower with new drugs.

I said hell no! why do I want to take drugs to get outside of the normal range just because you can go to the low side of normal?


49 posted on 01/06/2011 7:17:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Ramius

Ramius - you are just an ignorant slut - as use to be said on SNL a long time ago...

Get educated Ramius - read and research ... beyond your bias - otherwise you are just an ignorant smarta$$..

It is easy to pop off and try to dispel what you don’t agree with ... but it is much more work to GET EDUCATED Ramius ... but getting educated takes time and effort - something I don’t think your are willing or used to doing...

Ignorance is bliss Ramius... remain ignorant if you wish...


50 posted on 01/06/2011 7:20:15 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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