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Swine flu survivors developed super flu antibodies (Universal flu shot?)
Reuters | January 10, 2011 | Julie Steenhuysen

Posted on 01/10/2011 2:55:07 PM PST by decimon

CHICAGO (Reuters) – A study of antibodies from people infected with H1N1 swine flu adds proof that scientists are closing in on a "universal" flu shot that could neutralize many types of flu strains, including H1N1 swine flu and H5N1 bird flu, U.S. researchers said on Monday.

They said people who were infected in the H1N1 pandemic developed an unusual immune response, making antibodies that could protect them from all the seasonal H1N1 flu strains from the last decade, the deadly "Spanish flu" strain from 1918 and even a strain of the H5N1 avian flu.

"It says that a universal influenza vaccine is really possible," said Patrick Wilson of the University of Chicago, who worked on the paper published in the Journal of Experimental Medicine.

Many teams are working on a "universal" flu shot that could protect people from all flu strains for decades or even life.

U.S. officials say an effective universal flu vaccine would have enormous ramifications for the control of influenza, which kills anywhere from 3,300 to 49,000 people in the United States each year.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: h1n1; h1n1flu; swineflu
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1 posted on 01/10/2011 2:55:11 PM PST by decimon
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To: neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl; Silentgypsy

Lollipop ping.


2 posted on 01/10/2011 2:56:09 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

H1N1 pandemic? They are still pushing this lie.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 3:01:03 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
H1N1 pandemic? They are still pushing this lie.

H1N1 is active and across much of the world so it is indeed pandemic.

4 posted on 01/10/2011 3:06:15 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
a "universal" flu shot that could protect people from all flu strains for decades or even life.

Unfortunately, a side effect is that they will become flesh-eating zombies.

5 posted on 01/10/2011 3:08:57 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: decimon

Some microbe is sitting back somewhere laughing at our superior intellect.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 3:16:05 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: SIDENET
Unfortunately, a side effect is that they will become flesh-eating zombies.

The people or the virus?

7 posted on 01/10/2011 3:22:03 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

Hmm...that is supposed to be an excerpt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110110/sc_nm/us_flu_vaccine


8 posted on 01/10/2011 3:23:20 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
JEM
9 posted on 01/10/2011 3:28:36 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

I have had the flu a number of times (until I started taking the flu shot) but the worst was in 1957. I was 17 and I was so sick I was delirious, high fever, headache, body aches, chest congestion, racking cough,you name it I had it. I was as weak as an infant when I finally got out of bed. Did the ‘57 flu have a name?


10 posted on 01/10/2011 3:29:43 PM PST by Ditter
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To: decimon

This phony azz scam again?


11 posted on 01/10/2011 3:31:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: decimon

Scamdemic


12 posted on 01/10/2011 3:32:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Ditter
Did the ‘57 flu have a name?

Asian Flu.

13 posted on 01/10/2011 3:45:05 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110110/sc_nm/us_flu_vaccine


14 posted on 01/10/2011 3:47:08 PM PST by decimon
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To: Ditter
I was 17 and I was so sick I was delirious, high fever, headache, body aches, chest congestion, racking cough,you name it I had it. I was as weak as an infant when I finally got out of bed. Did the ‘57 flu have a name?

I don't if it had a name, but many people who die from flu outbreaks are young people with very strong immune systems. They die from the strong response.

15 posted on 01/10/2011 4:30:02 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average. Politicians come from the other half.)
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To: decimon

Hmmmm. I survived H1N1 last winter. Wonder if my blood is worth some bucks now?


16 posted on 01/10/2011 4:37:28 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: decimon

I wish I could believe this since H1N1 nearly killed me in Dec 09. Sadly my child had H1N1 twice and so did another child I know. I fear this info is Bull.


17 posted on 01/10/2011 4:39:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: decimon
Both.

;-)

18 posted on 01/10/2011 5:02:53 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: decimon
Swine flu is a mild flu at that.

Best thing to do is go ahead and get it and acquire the universal immunity.

19 posted on 01/10/2011 5:51:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ('If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Swine flu is a mild flu at that.

Best thing to do is go ahead and get it and acquire the universal immunity.

You're awfully sure of yourself. Is there anything to qualify your dispensing such medical advice?

20 posted on 01/10/2011 6:17:13 PM PST by decimon
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To: Moonman62
decimon said it was the Asian flu. Yes I had a very strong immune system.
21 posted on 01/10/2011 6:23:47 PM PST by Ditter
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To: decimon
You're awfully sure of yourself. Is there anything to qualify your dispensing such medical advice?

You're awfully sure of yourself.

Which pharmaceutical company do you work for?

22 posted on 01/10/2011 6:24:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ('If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You're awfully sure of yourself.

Me? I don't give medical advice.

Which pharmaceutical company do you work for?

That is idiotic.

23 posted on 01/10/2011 6:27:52 PM PST by decimon
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To: little jeremiah
I-am-Legend ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

24 posted on 01/10/2011 6:28:05 PM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: decimon
I know. You're praying for a virus that kills millions of people so you can say "I told you so!!!"

You must have been so disappointed when swine flu didn't pan out for you.

25 posted on 01/10/2011 6:31:06 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ('If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Ditter
Did the ‘57 flu have a name?

You had the Rockin' Pneumonia which developed from the Boogie Woogie Flu.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

26 posted on 01/10/2011 6:31:06 PM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I know. You're praying for a virus that kills millions of people so you can say "I told you so!!!"

You must have been so disappointed when swine flu didn't pan out for you.

You are either drunk or demented.

I posted an article, you dispensed medical advice. You can't do that. People could die for taking your advice. Get it?

27 posted on 01/10/2011 6:43:39 PM PST by decimon
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To: The Comedian

They want it to happen. I don’t think it will. I’ve read of many cases of people getting sick after getting vaxed (and I assume taking the vax would have the same effect as getting infected, that’s the whole point), and getting sick with it twice.

I got it twice. The first time in January ‘09 (before it was in the news, turned out later it was on the west coast at that time), and second time in Oct. ‘09. Each time was nothing like any flu I’d ever had, and I hope I never get it again.

The previous director of the CDC (as I mentioned in my little summary I freepmailed you) left the CDC to become Merck’s head of their vax dept.

There is no reason to vaccinate millions of people for a disease that causes discomfort to many (and how many they have no idea) and death to between 800 1o 1200 a year, most of them older than 65.

OTOH, swine flu pandemic, or any flu pandemic, is a whole ‘nother thing. And since flu mutates so rapidly, I don’t see how they could ever come up with a vax in time for each new wave.

They want to make a universal flu vaccine. Time will tell if it will really work. Trusting post dated checks is not a productive practice.


28 posted on 01/10/2011 6:46:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: The Comedian

You are probably right. I could certainly boogie! :D


29 posted on 01/10/2011 7:13:20 PM PST by Ditter
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To: The Comedian

Hey, you! That’s my line.


30 posted on 01/10/2011 7:19:35 PM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Silentgypsy
Hey, you! That’s my line.

Like I ever say anything original?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

31 posted on 01/10/2011 7:25:56 PM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: Ditter

“I have had the flu a number of times (until I started taking the flu shot) but the worst was in 1957.”

I’m in my early 50’s and i don’t ever remember getting the flu and I’ve never had a flu shot. I better knock on wood — your experience sounds awful.


32 posted on 01/10/2011 7:35:00 PM PST by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: decimon

“3,300 to 49,000 people in the United States each year.”

Now there is a “wild ass guess”


33 posted on 01/10/2011 9:31:54 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: TASMANIANRED
“3,300 to 49,000 people in the United States each year.”

Now there is a “wild ass guess”

Not a guess if that's what's happened.

34 posted on 01/11/2011 5:29:34 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

In my honest opinion, it won’t work. The reason these people developed such strong immunity is because it happened as nature intended. Not by a manufactured vaccine, but by the beauty of the human body’s natural defenses.


35 posted on 01/11/2011 5:37:53 AM PST by Shethink13
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To: decimon; Quix; M. Espinola; stephenjohnbanker; FromLori
There are bigger problems than H1N1.

There are secret man made viruses infecting govt workers. Our secret research program was set up by a former Nazi scientist brought to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip. Many well-informed people believe that Lyme Disease was invented by this Nazi and released intentionally.

The bigger problem is with our bogus Homeland Security (ie U.S. Gestapo) and corrupt people in Congress taking HUGE $$$$ Campaign Bribes from military-industrial-educational-complex.

Our corrupt govt's top secret research facility on Plum Island is being moved to Kansas, right in the center of our food production heartland. And the facility is under the control of Homeland Security -- the same people run TSA and strip search little old ladies as "suspected terrorists:"

Don't believe me _____ ? Please watch this video:

Jesse Ventura Exposes Plum Island Conspiracy - Part 4

Our whole government has been taken over by Nazis while everybody was sleeping. Time to wake up is long past . . .

36 posted on 01/16/2011 1:13:45 PM PST by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: ex-Texan; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ..

Thanks.

Far too many puzzle pieces indicate essentially the same things.

Not wise to treat such information as totally bogus.

Denial is not a goof survival trait.

END TIMES PING LIST PING

TO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1nC7d4zHhw&feature=related


37 posted on 01/16/2011 4:21:40 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Denial is not a good survival trait.


38 posted on 01/16/2011 6:13:09 PM PST by Joya (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house ...)
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To: Joya

Right.

Thanks for the spell check/typo correction.

Denial is NOT a gooD survival trait.

It IS a gooFFFFY survival hazard.


39 posted on 01/16/2011 6:16:20 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Yaelle

I have heard of many instances of getting the H1N1 twice which really made me wonder if this was propaganda of some sort to lull the populace.


40 posted on 01/16/2011 6:18:25 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: little jeremiah

We have long known the H5N1 was really,really bad news just waiting to jump into an upper respiratory format for transmission. What if the H1N1 was put out into the world’s population to fight fire with fire... if that worked then you would expect to see the results of a broad cross immunity against both H1N1 and H5N1.


41 posted on 01/16/2011 6:28:26 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: Domestic Church

That would be if (A) TPTB were actually wise and good and (B) it really worked. One study with a few people is not something I’ll jump and shout about. Waiting for more info...

There were also studies done showing that (some) people who got flu and/or vaxed may get a much worse immune reaction next time they encounter flu virus; it’s called something like Original Antigenic Sin. I’ve read stuff about that lately, too.

IMHO at this point no one knows; and if they do really know, they ain’t telling.

Niman got vaxed last year and got swine flu, and I think he got flu twice. He got vaxed again this year. I got swine flu twice (not tested but I am sure it was). I read more than a few accounts of vaxed people get the flu, and people getting flu twice. So my personal opinion is that this vax (both last year’s swine vax and this years, which are both based on May 2009 flu) aren’t very protective.

But, that brings up a whole ‘nother question. How protective is the regular seasonal vax? Since so few actually die of flu a year and so few are ever tested, how well does the regular flu vax work? The last head of the CDC, Julie Gerberding, left to become head of Merck Vax dept. Says a lot to me.

I wrote a little flu update summary for people I know. SOrt of covers a few basic things, if anyone wants me to post it, I will. I finished it 10 days ago.


42 posted on 01/16/2011 7:00:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TASMANIANRED; decimon

Actually the CDC sends or used to send the American Lung Association figures of how many people died of flu each year, tested people. I’ve seen the list on a flu forum, probably don’t have it saved on my computer but I can look. The list I saw was for about 10 years and the average deaths from flu were something like 800 to 1200, the low number might have been around 600.

The larger numbers they toss out are merely excess deaths among old people from “illness” in winter, could be anything. It’s a bogus made up number for the purpose of getting people to take the vax, as far as I can tell. That way their buddies in the pharmacuetical industry make bucks.

And the huge fake numbers sure came in handy to soothe the populace about not “panicking” due to swine flu pandemic. The CDC people kept trotting out that “36,000 people die a year from flu” crap every chance they got.

Total liars.

The real, tested number of flu deaths normall is under 1000. And even those are 90% over 65 or around there.

They will not publicize how many actually died in the US (or the word, from the WHO) of swine flu. Nope, silent as the Sphinx.


43 posted on 01/16/2011 7:10:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Post your summary please.


44 posted on 01/16/2011 7:10:12 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: Domestic Church
Your wish is my command!

Swine Flu Pandemic January 6 2010

Official Pandemic Over

Although the World Health Organization declared the swine H1N1 flu pandemic over in August 2010, it was still circulating in the Southern Hemisphere and causing many deaths, especially in India. As expected, it is now circulating in the Northern Hemisphere. The WHO director, Margaret Chan, speaks and acts for the interest of China*, not for the well being of the people of the world, but still the Health agencies of various countries, such as the US Center for Disease Control, accept her announcements as truthful and trustworthy. She prematurely announced the pandemic over, thus various Health agencies let down their guard. Previous flu pandemics lasted around 3 years, and then the flu strain gradually diminished in severity.

Real Flu Death Numbers

It is important to know that the CDC figure of “36,000 flu deaths a year”* * was finally admitted by them last summer to be a false number; but it was quoted widely to diminish the dangerous appearance of the pandemic swine flu. The 36,000 number is actually just the averaged yearly increase in general illness deaths over the winter season and few have any connection to flu; few or none of these averaged deaths are tested for flu, and most are elderly. The actual tested flu fatalities for normal years range between 600 to 1200 deaths a year (from figures of tested flu deaths sent from the CDC to an American Lung Association) , and 90% are aged over 65. There is a possibility that the 36,000 number is used as a way to increase vaccination rates for flu, as there is a revolving door between pharmaceutical companies and the CDC. In fact, the previous director of the CDC left the CDC to work for the Merck pharmaceutical company in their vaccine department.

Swine Flu Death Numbers – The Economy over safety

The swine H1N1 flu, on the other hand, was and continues to be especially virulent in young and middle aged people. The exact number of swine H1N1 fatalities for last year worldwide, or in the US, is unknown. The only number the CDC has made public for the US, last summer, was the estimate of roughly 7,000 -18,000 deaths, but admitted the figure would likely prove much higher. Since the beginning of the swine H1N1 pandemic they generally downplayed the virulence and danger of the flu, and even admitted that part of the mission of the CDC was to make sure the economy was not negatively impacted by the pandemic. The WHO has made a similar and clear statement –that they would make decisions about the pandemic taking into consideration political, social and economic impact. Therefore, policies such as travel quarantines or closing schools were not recommended due to the negative effect on the economy, thus insuring that swine flu spread more quickly.

Swine H1N1 – More virulent than regular flu<.b>

Even those who were infected with swine flu but survived, often had symptoms that were more severe and quite different from regular flu; such as organ failure (including kidneys, liver, heart and lungs), central nervous system impairment including brain lesions and paralysis, and many incurred lasting damage. Because of impairment to circulation, many flu victims suffered amputation of limbs. A noted virologist in England, John Oxford, recently said that swine H1N1 is not like regular flu, it gets deeper into the lungs, and requires more safety when working with it in the lab. Many who were infected with swine flu were ill for much longer time and took weeks or months to get well, and some had permanent lung or heart damage. Some have had permanent brain damage or suffered permanent or long term paralysis.

Swine Flu – Mutated - Tamiflu and Vaccine may not work well if at all

This year the swine H1N1 has mutated, as flu viruses are always notoriously unstable, switching genetic material with other strains, both human and animal. That is why people can get flu over and over again, because their immune systems don’t recognize the slightly different flu strains. There is much that is not known about flu viruses or how the body’s immune system reacts. For instance, research has been done showing that it is very possible that when a person has either had a vaccine or been infected by one variety of flu, if they then are exposed to a somewhat similar but mutated version of the same flu strain, their immune system may wildly overreact, which can cause very severe illness or death. The current vaccine was manufactured using a flu sample from May 2009 at beginning of the pandemic, and since the flu has changed, it is likely that the vaccine will not offer very much protection against swine H1N1, if any, and those who caught the flu last year may very well not have immunity against it this year. Even last year some people had swine flu twice, or were vaccinated and then still became infected. Now there have been people in the UK who were vaccinated and have died. The genetic markers denoting Tamiflu resistence are now showing up in flu samples in the UK.

Huge Upsurge in the UK starting in December

More three and a half weeks ago swine H1N1 again started spreading in the United Kingdom, primarily in southern England. Since it surfaced, every week has seen a huge increase in severe cases and fatalities. Last week, more than 800 patients were in Intensive Care Units, which is four times higher than the worst of the pandemic flu season last year, and flu is just starting to spread widely all over the country. As of Monday, January 3, 2011 - the number in ICU is now 1500, which is half the ICU beds in the country, almost doubling in one week. As of last week, at least 40 had died (some of who had been vaccinated), but public health officials have admitted that this number is merely a fraction of the flu fatalities, as not many are tested and therefore not counted as flu fatalities.*** Hospitals are now increasingly overwhelmed with the large number of severe flu cases and are stopping surgeries, closing the doors to visitors, and converting operation theaters and lounges to take care of the increasing number of serious flu patients. Some children’s wards are completely full and very sick children have had to be transported 100 miles to a hospital with openings. The health officials are giving public notices that people who are sick should not visit their doctors or go to the Emergency Departments but just stay home so as to avoid causing the heath system to collapse. Hospital officials have said that if it gets any worse the health care system will be overwhelmed and unable to care for all the sick. Most of the severe cases and fatalities are children, young and middle aged adults, and at least half were people with no underlying health problems.****

What to Expect

The swine H1N1 flu has mutated – as all flu viruses do – and it is doubtful that the vaccine will offer much protection, if any, and previous infection may also not be protective; in addition, increased Tamiflu resistence is likely or almost inevitable. (Before the swine flu pandemic, regular seasonal flu became Tamiflu resistant within a year due to genetic mutation, and swine H1N1, according to virologists, is following the same path.) Scientists can tell by studying the sequences of current samples how much and in what way the flu has changed; but the UK has not made public any flu sequences since early December, before this upsurge in severe cases and fatalities started. There is reason to believe that the government of the UK is withholding the current flu sequences in order to prevent fear, by hiding the real nature of the flu strain spreading in the UK. From the news, it appears that swine H1N1 may very likely have a higher CFR – Case Fatality Rate – than it did last winter. This more virulent strain will be spreading throughout the Northern Hemisphere in the coming weeks and months and in the last couple of weeks is causing increasing hospitalization and deaths in European, Middle Eastern and Asian countries as well.

*There is a lot of evidence about Chan but the short evidence is that she covered up the initial SARS outbreak in Hong Kong, as well as H5N1 outbreaks later, and has praised the health care system in North Korea, and the fact that the citizens there walk a lot and are not obese. They are starving to death in reality. The WHO Director before died under mysterious circumstances, and also there is evidence that China bribed a number of African countries with large amounts of money to vote for her as the director. She prematurely announced the end of the pandemic, which alarmed those who know that pandemics generally last at least two or three years, as the one in 1918, and in fact, people were still sick and dying when she made this announcement.

** Very recently, the CDC has replaced the “36,000 flu deaths a year” with “24,000”, even though that figure is also not based on facts or positive flu test results.

***Also, many patients who may test positive for flu are not counted among the fatalities since they also have pneumonia or suffer heart failure and thus flu is not considered the cause of death.

****They stretch the definition of “underlying problems” to include as many as possible, including slightly overweight and pregnant women. And now apparently, they are primarily testing or counting as positive those with underlying problems, so as not to alarm the public.

Since I finished writing this 10 days ago, there have been a few more developments. I will post them later, a few little updates and a link or two.

BTW, Henry Niman attributes the later arrival of "new and improved" swine flu the US because H3N2 is circulating a lot here; and when I asked him about this (he said that H3N2 was "buffering" the US), whether the US would not get the mutated swine flu here at all or just later, he said "later". There have already been some of the UK version in PA and I think another state; sequenced from fatalities. Monotreme on the PFI forum thinks or says he thinks because there was more vaxes here than in the UK. If that is so, time will tell.

Another development is that very recently, Japan, which had a lot of H3N2 (which is typically much more mild than swine flu), is all of a sudden getting a lot of swine.

45 posted on 01/16/2011 7:33:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


46 posted on 01/16/2011 8:44:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah

Thanks lj for your summary report. Bump!


47 posted on 01/17/2011 5:56:23 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...still taking D3)
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To: Domestic Church

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1345452/Fears-mutating-swine-flu-virus-render-vaccine-useless.html

Fears over mutating swine flu virus that could render vaccine useless

By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 10:47 AM on 9th January 2011

A research team has hurriedly been re-formed to investigate whether the swine flu virus has started to mutate in a way that will render the vaccine ineffective.

Senior Government scientists have already discovered slight genetic mutations in the H1N1 virus.

They are checking whether this is causing some people to be more severely affected, although there is no evidence at this stage to suggest the changes would stop the vaccine working or prevent the anti-viral drug Tamiflu from being effective.

Snip.


48 posted on 01/17/2011 6:11:54 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I still think this bug is meant to fight the H5N1 which would probably turn us back to a neolithic age if/when it jumps.


49 posted on 01/17/2011 7:21:07 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...still taking D3)
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I find it hard to believe that anyone with the power to make it and spread it and manage it is that benevolent.

I guess we’ll just have to see how it shakes out.

I know I don’t want to get swine H1N1 again. Both times it was absolutely horrible.


50 posted on 01/17/2011 7:58:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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