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Steyr M95- anybody got one?

Posted on 01/11/2011 1:29:46 PM PST by TexasBarak

Big Five has these on sale for $79.95 (the one I looked at today was a carbine). I'm looking for an inexpensive knockabout rifle to keep in the truck (but still capable of taking out a wild pig), and this looks like it will fit the bill. Do any of you have one of these, or have experience with it? Does anyone know of a reasonable source of ammo?

Here's the wikipedia link concerning these rifles-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr-Mannlicher_M1895


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Would I be getting a trotline weight? or something worth having?

I'm off for a bit of a nap- I'll check back in in a bit.

1 posted on 01/11/2011 1:29:51 PM PST by TexasBarak
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To: TexasBarak

8x56r cartridge with a big kick. I heard Privi Partisan is coming out with reasonably priced ammo ($15/box). You do need an enbloc clip to shoot it. Mine is fun.

Good info here

http://www.surplusrifle.com/steyrm95/index.asp


2 posted on 01/11/2011 1:34:16 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: TexasBarak
I say buy one.

It costs just a little more than a Duraflame firelog. If it doesn't work out you could burn it for heat.

3 posted on 01/11/2011 1:36:48 PM PST by skeeter
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To: TexasBarak
I'm more of a Mosin-Nagant fan. I've gotten good accuracy out of them.

But the bolt does need a bit of english on it to get it open some times.

4 posted on 01/11/2011 1:38:00 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: TexasBarak
Steyr-Mannlicher m1895 Carbine

Unless you reload, you'd probably be better off gettng a M44.

5 posted on 01/11/2011 1:38:54 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: El Sordo
But the bolt does need a bit of english on it to get it open some times

You have a cosmoline issue most likely.

6 posted on 01/11/2011 1:39:31 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: TexasBarak

The cartridge is obsolete and nominally available. I would instead get a Mosin-Nagant M44 in the 7.62X54R caliber. You can find good examples for less than $100.


7 posted on 01/11/2011 1:43:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: TexasBarak

You might want to look at a Mosin Nagant. Ammo is a bit less pricey I think.


8 posted on 01/11/2011 1:44:11 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: TexasBarak

May I recommend the High Point rifles. Made in Ohio, uses pistol ammo [9mm,.40 & .45]
they use a “blowback” system of cycling and low cost to get & use. There are accesories you can purchas as well to “tweak” your rifle out to the way you want.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 1:49:18 PM PST by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25)
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To: TexasBarak

I was just thinking one of these a Saiga IZ-240 - 16” though more expensive would be a good knock about rifle.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/sai-545.aspx


10 posted on 01/11/2011 1:49:18 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: TexasBarak

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310287
Do not have one personally I would go with the Moisin Nagent commie rifle the ammo seems to be in plentiful supply and the price not much higher. I have shot one of those and they kick like a mule the Steyr is discussed in the thread from firing line above.


11 posted on 01/11/2011 1:51:26 PM PST by scottteng (Proud parent of a Life scout)
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To: El Sordo

mine’s a POS.

couldn’t hit the Metrodome roof from the inside.

makes a fine war club ,though.


12 posted on 01/11/2011 2:02:05 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: El Sordo
But the bolt does need a bit of english on it to get it open some times.

Here's how you can fix that "sticky bolt."

13 posted on 01/11/2011 2:03:07 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: TexasBarak
Graf and Sons Graf sells both brass and the required .329" bullets and the enbloc clips can be obtained from Buffalo Arms Buffalo arms The one I bought from Big Five has a bit of a headspace problem as brass fired using load data from Lee Lee (who sells reloading dies for the 8 x 56R Hungarian which is the round of the Steyr M85) comes out with some primer back-out. Still, for the money that rifle is a lot of fun.
14 posted on 01/11/2011 2:03:43 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Lurker

Mosin Nagant vote here. A bit more expensive, but they burn much hotter with all that cosmoline.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 2:10:06 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: TexasBarak
Sorry: "Steyr M85 should be "Steyr M95". Also, the rifle I have is not particularly accurate; the bolt needs some work since it is a real pain in the butt to reinstall it in the rifle. Here's some info on how to do it: Steyr M95 Bolt
16 posted on 01/11/2011 2:13:16 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: TexasBarak

Life is too short to shoot ugly guns, and life is too short to have to “track” wild boar.

If you want a fine, but inexpensive bolt-action that will take a beating, go with a commonwealth-built Lee-Enfield SMLE carbine in .303.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 2:14:05 PM PST by golux
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To: WOBBLY BOB

HAHAHAHAAHA


18 posted on 01/11/2011 2:16:29 PM PST by MattinNJ (Palin and/or Pence.)
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To: TexasBarak
I have a couple, and I also have the M-95 full-length rifle, but only because I have studied the Austro-Hungarian WW1 infantry (my grandfather fought with them.)

The ammo is hard to come by (I reload) and it requires a clip to shoot, so it is inconvenient as just a “truck gun”.

You would be better off with a Mosin for that, ammo is plentiful and cheap (corrosive, though) it packs a wallop, and is pretty accurate offhand out to a hundred yards.

19 posted on 01/11/2011 2:27:28 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: TexasBarak
I've got a couple. Interesting guns from a collector point of view.

Practically speaking, ammo can be hard to come by and the straight pull bolt takes a bit of effort to operate.

Like others have suggested, I think a Mosin-Nagant carbine a better choice all around. The model 44 even comes with a fold out "pig sticker" should it be needed.

20 posted on 01/11/2011 2:37:50 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Fido969
and is pretty accurate offhand out to a hundred yards.

I'm pretty good offhand with my Mosin at 200, and it's the carbine (M38). Not only is it a good shooter, but the entertainment value for the shockwave and fireball are up there, too.

21 posted on 01/11/2011 2:38:45 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: Fido969

Too funny. We posted practically the same response at about the same time!


22 posted on 01/11/2011 2:44:21 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: TexasBarak

For a good cheap gun I recommend the SKS. I think they are still cheap. I havn’t looked at prices for a few years.


23 posted on 01/11/2011 2:58:13 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: TexasBarak

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=210727770

wonder why this one costs so much?


24 posted on 01/11/2011 3:01:30 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: 45Auto
The most important part of the Steyr M95 is Mannlicher enbloc clip. Without the clip, you will have a single shot rifle. The second item is fresh 8x56R ammunition at a reasonable price.

The same thing applies to the Mannlicher-Carcano M91 rifle from Italy in 6.5x52. Fresh ammo is about, but the Mannlicher clips in either brass or steel can be hard to find. In both cases, users of the M95 or M91 considered the enbloc clips to be expendable. The clip falls out of the rifle when the last round is fired.

The M91 Mosin-Nagant uses a 5-shot stripper clip that is used to reload the rifle and discarded. Caliber 7.62x54R is a very commonly available caliber; much moreso than 8x56R Steyr or 6.5x52 Carcano.

25 posted on 01/11/2011 3:04:49 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Lurker
You might want to look at a Mosin Nagant. Ammo is a bit less pricey I think.

That's actually what I went there looking for- they ran out at Christmas, told me they should have more in around mid-January.

26 posted on 01/11/2011 3:07:37 PM PST by TexasBarak (I canceled a subscription, and used the money to become a monthly donor instead!)
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To: scottteng
I have shot one of those and they kick like a mule

Hah! Exactly what I said when I picked it up and they told me the size of the cartridge! And the carbine version I looked at is a fairly light weapon. Definitely made to be used by people wearing several layers of heavy wool clothing!

27 posted on 01/11/2011 3:11:07 PM PST by TexasBarak (I canceled a subscription, and used the money to become a monthly donor instead!)
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To: 45Auto

Very good information! I was wondering if dies would be available. I’m not reloading yet, but I intend to start, and this looks like a fun rifle if I can make affordable ammo. Plus the ability to load it a little lighter and not get my shoulder dislocated...
How do you like that straight pull bolt action?


28 posted on 01/11/2011 3:14:03 PM PST by TexasBarak (I canceled a subscription, and used the money to become a monthly donor instead!)
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To: MasterGunner01
The clip falls out of the rifle when the last round is fired.

Okay, that explains why I could see daylight when looking down into the magazine well. I thought that was kinda sloppy, especially for an Austrian made gun, but now I understand.

29 posted on 01/11/2011 3:17:52 PM PST by TexasBarak (I canceled a subscription, and used the money to become a monthly donor instead!)
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To: golux

WHAT?!

Enfields aint ugly? If you say so.


30 posted on 01/11/2011 3:23:20 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

“wonder why this one costs so much?”

Looks like one that was not re-chambered to 8x56r, still in the original 8x50 caliber. Thus, rarer. Probably still overpriced, since it is “Gunsmoker” auctions. haha.


31 posted on 01/11/2011 3:29:40 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: El Sordo
I'm more of a Mosin-Nagant fan. I've gotten good accuracy out of them.

Not to threadjack, but I'd like to talk to you about that. I've taken a lot of the creep out of my M91/30's trigger, and I floated the barrel. I'm not getting much better than 2 MOA at 100yds with S&B or Prvi Partisan. What are you getting, and what have you done to yours? I am geared up to reload 7.62x54R, but have only replaced bullets so far.

32 posted on 01/11/2011 3:35:54 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: TexasBarak
Nice gun but ammo is hard to find.

An SKS or Russian Mosin Nagant would be a better choice for a low cost gun.

Mosins are about $80 if you look around. Best value in a long time.

33 posted on 01/11/2011 4:18:21 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: dynachrome
Looks like one that was not re-chambered to 8x56r, still in the original 8x50 caliber.

No, the "S" on the breech means it was rechambered. That gun was clearly rearsenaled.

34 posted on 01/11/2011 6:34:26 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969

Whoops. looked too quick and missed the “S”. you are correct.


35 posted on 01/11/2011 6:40:29 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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“The clip falls out of the rifle when the last round is fired.”

Exactly right — think M1 Garand, a rifle ejects the clip and brass out the top — the M95 ejects the last round out the top and clip out the bottom. And, just like the M1, without a clip to hold the ammo the M95 Steyr can only function as a single-shot rifle.

36 posted on 01/11/2011 8:04:46 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: TMSuchman

I would not recommend pistol round firing carbines to take pigs.


37 posted on 01/11/2011 10:44:01 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: mamelukesabre

[wonder why this one costs so much?]

Either the seller does not want to sell it, or more likely, the seller does not understand how something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, no more, no less.


38 posted on 01/11/2011 10:51:49 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I have seen air rifles take wild hogs. so if you place a round right you can take one. The size of that air rifle was .25. But you can use a larger one if you want.


39 posted on 01/12/2011 4:24:48 AM PST by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25)
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To: MasterGunner01

You’re absolutely right on all points.


40 posted on 01/12/2011 12:04:22 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: TexasBarak
The straight-pull bolt is a nice idea; the M95 is a little rough overall, and the bolt movement is not particularly smooth. From the overall looks, mine has seen a lot of rough action. Besides the need for the enbloc clips, the gun uses .329" diameter bullets instead of the nominal 8 mm, .323". The only commercial bullet I have found is the 205 grain .329 spitzer imported by Graf and Sons. I have used a Lee lubrisizer in .329" to convert Speer .338 bullets to .329 by swaging them down. The swaged Speer bullets do not have a cannaluer so taper crimping is required.

The iron sights on my rifle are really bad; the trigger pull is long and creepy, but it is a military rifle. Shooting from sandbags at 50 yards I can barely keep five rounds inside of 5 inches. I'm using load data that came with the Lee dies; there's darn little data published anywhere. (I think Hornady also makes dies.)

As I said, my rifle has a headspace problem; the primers on every fired case have backed out. Probably needs a new barrel, but I'm not going to buy one. There are probably no really good barrels for sale anyway.

The Mosin-Nagant is probably a better bet for all the reasons stated by others on this post; I am mostly a paper target shooter and like to experiment with different rifles. In 1895 with the dawn of the smokeless powder age, the Styer was state of the art. I bought mine out of curiosity; probably look for a genuine German-made Mauser 98 soon.

41 posted on 01/12/2011 12:27:33 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Lurker
You have a cosmoline issue most likely.

That's what I was going to suggest. Same deal with Mosin-Nagant's. They need a lot of prep work, but they're really durable.

42 posted on 01/12/2011 12:30:58 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: 45Auto

If I were going to buy a straight pull design I’d probably spend the extra money and get one of those Swiss K’s.


43 posted on 01/12/2011 12:39:50 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Swiss K-31 Schmidt Rubin in 7.5 x 55; good choice. J and G
44 posted on 01/12/2011 2:30:03 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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[I have seen air rifles take wild hogs. so if you place a round right you can take one. The size of that air rifle was .25. But you can use a larger one if you want.]

Impressive. I realize even a BB placed well can kill, but...

What do you recommend in a long gun for personal protection against, say, humans, that are much more fragile than wild pigs? That’s the only animal those carbines are designed to stop. None of the pigs I’ve ever shot stood still for long, so how much time do we have to aim to place a round right? I’m not such a bad shot myself, but I wouldn’t go trying to take wild pigs with an air rifle, or a pistol round from a carbine. Well, maybe a .44 magnum, which is a revolver round, or a .45 Win Mag, or .50 AE. I have a friend who felt his M1 Carbine was sufficient for wild pigs on Catalina, and emptied that gun before he stopped that pig from doing him serious harm.

Just sayin’ I wouldn’t recommend pistol round firing carbines to take wild pigs, but I see you would. OK.


45 posted on 01/12/2011 2:56:19 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
What do you recommend in a long gun for personal protection against, say, humans, that are much more fragile than wild pigs?

Oh boy, that question is worthy of a thread all by itself. And there are lots of right answers. But first there are a lot more questions.

What environment do you reasonably expect to use it in? What are the most likely threats you expect to face? What is your level of proficiency with a firearm? How much time, money, and effort are you willing to put into learning to use the weapon safely and effectively?

How much money do you have to spend not only on the rifle but on range time and ammo?

In some scenarios an AR type rifle would be a solid choice. In others a lever action might be a better choice. That being said in lots of possible scenarios a bolt action center fire would be damn near ideal. In others, you can't beat a pump action 12 gauge shotgun...

If you're a relative novice, and live in a standard issue suburban area of the US, and don't want to spend a grand on a rifle, I might personally recommend a Mossberg pump action 12 gauge.

They run around $300 bucks, ammo is cheap and plentiful, and with the right load you can kill anything that walks, flys, or crawls on the North American continent.

But like I said above, there are lots and lots of questions to ask yourself before you plunk down your hard earned money on a 'long gun' for personal defense.

L

46 posted on 01/12/2011 4:49:12 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

That was a rhetorical question.


47 posted on 01/13/2011 2:19:47 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Sorry, my mistake


48 posted on 01/13/2011 6:11:20 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

No problem fellow gun nut.


49 posted on 01/13/2011 6:48:25 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Seems to me lewis and clark used an air rifle on their exploration. Air rifles can be just as potent as gunpowder rifles. You just need a much bigger bore to make up for the lower velocity.


50 posted on 01/13/2011 9:31:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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