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Is there a genius in all of us?
BBC ^ | January 12, 2011 | David Shenk

Posted on 01/13/2011 3:39:14 PM PST by decimon

Where do athletic and artistic abilities come from? With phrases like "gifted musician", "natural athlete" and "innate intelligence", we have long assumed that talent is a genetic thing some of us have and others don't.

But new science suggests the source of abilities is much more interesting and improvisational. It turns out that everything we are is a developmental process and this includes what we get from our genes.

A century ago, geneticists saw genes as robot actors, always uttering the same lines in exactly the same way, and much of the public is still stuck with this old idea. In recent years, though, scientists have seen a dramatic upgrade in their understanding of heredity.

They now know that genes interact with their surroundings, getting turned on and off all the time. In effect, the same genes have different effects depending on who they are talking to.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: dewey; education; gatto; genius; godsgravesglyphs

1 posted on 01/13/2011 3:39:15 PM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv; neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl; Silentgypsy

Home is where you hang your genome ping.


2 posted on 01/13/2011 3:40:28 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

After seeing Pelosi in action, I highly doubt that ALL would be the correct word.


3 posted on 01/13/2011 3:42:48 PM PST by TexasPatriot1 ("Tyranny is defined as that which legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry" Jefferson)
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To: decimon
How does a Shakespeare become Shakespeare? A Michaelangelo become a Michaelangelo?

Everything we are is in our power at birth. We are all gifted. I believe it's a fishbowl...The degree of expressing our gift is solely in our hands.

4 posted on 01/13/2011 3:45:52 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: decimon

Not in Joe Biden. Guaranteed.


5 posted on 01/13/2011 3:48:15 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: decimon
Being a sooooooper geeeeenius ain't all it's cracked up to be.


6 posted on 01/13/2011 3:53:43 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: decimon

But new science suggests the source of abilities is much more interesting and improvisational.

What kind of science is that?


7 posted on 01/13/2011 4:01:27 PM PST by Jolla
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To: decimon

Since many people thought a study was needed to determine this, I’d say is’t quite safe to say not everyone is a genius.


8 posted on 01/13/2011 4:18:49 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: Jolla
The liberal science of “everyone is super smart except republicans no matter what those pesky tests show”.
9 posted on 01/13/2011 4:20:35 PM PST by Durus (The distance between us has grown, and I struggle to quantify it. Windage adjustments are done.)
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To: decimon

My family has the artistic (drawing) gene. Some of us have it and some don’t. If you have it, it comes out very early and requires little schooling. My grandaughter at two could paint recognizeable portraits with hair, noses, eyes and mouths in the right place. They were recognizeable in a general way as to the person she was painting. For instance, daddy had a crew cut. Mommy had long hair. Their eye colors were correct.

My mother was a commercial artist, I have been a painter and my son also has the natural ability to draw. I even have an extra muscle in my hand from that of normal folks. I believe part of the knack is the ability to guage visual relationships, oragnize and replicate them. My Dad has absolutely no gift in that regard. My daughter has other creative gifts but not the drawing gene.

I am one who does believe that there is a strong genetic predisposition to certain talents. There seems to be a drive to do it and if you do well at it early in life, you are much more prone to develop it because it brings you creative pleasure.


10 posted on 01/13/2011 4:21:00 PM PST by marsh2
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To: decimon
Is there a genius in all of us?

VERY good question. Genius and excellence is found in many varieties. Sports, arts and performing arts give us, to quote, "vivid examples". Yet, there are less celebrated, yet cherished varieties such as leadership, visionary, meticulousness, diplomatic, amiable/friendliness, craftsmanship, warrior/soldier, on and on. It is almost a crime that there is such focus on academics as the most favored type of genius.

11 posted on 01/13/2011 4:30:55 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (If raising taxes on an activity reduces such an activity, let's tax liberalism to death.)
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To: decimon

I am a genius. But only where it concerns annoying my co-workers.


12 posted on 01/13/2011 4:31:39 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: decimon
Is there a genius in all of us?


13 posted on 01/13/2011 4:35:11 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Wile E. Coyote’s true genius was his tenacity.


14 posted on 01/13/2011 4:37:58 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: decimon
You-look-smart-in-those-genes ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 01/13/2011 4:47:03 PM PST by The Comedian (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope.)
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To: decimon

Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting it.


16 posted on 01/13/2011 4:56:06 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Yardstick

It’s true.
As a kid, you think of yourself as the Roadrunner.
As an adult, you completely realize your the Coyote!

You’ll excuse me, I have some ACME products to order.


17 posted on 01/13/2011 5:04:13 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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I'm pretty sure there's a moron in each of us, so, why not? :')
It turns out that everything we are is a developmental process and this includes what we get from our genes.
Thanks decimon!

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18 posted on 01/13/2011 6:19:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I'm pretty sure there's a moron in each of us, so, why not? :')

Posting to internet forums might be a sign.

19 posted on 01/13/2011 6:25:49 PM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv


Ahhhhh......no.

20 posted on 01/13/2011 6:27:49 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: SunkenCiv; decimon; The Comedian
Is there a genius in all of us?

There's one in me! It's my tapeworm--Obiwan! (just ask him)

21 posted on 01/13/2011 6:28:21 PM PST by bigheadfred (As a rapturous voice escapes I will tremble a prayer and I'll ask for forgiveness...)
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To: decimon

I had TWO geniuses inside of me. One boy and one girl.


22 posted on 01/13/2011 6:28:42 PM PST by bannie (( ))
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To: bannie
I had TWO geniuses inside of me. One boy and one girl.

You girls have all the fun.

Here I am stuck at home listening to that loudmouth tapeworm.

23 posted on 01/13/2011 6:32:00 PM PST by bigheadfred (As a rapturous voice escapes I will tremble a prayer and I'll ask for forgiveness...)
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To: bigheadfred

That part WAS fun. (Just give your tapeworm a name!)
:-)


24 posted on 01/13/2011 6:37:45 PM PST by bannie (( ))
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To: bannie
I had TWO geniuses inside of me. One boy and one girl.

Glad they escaped. Hey, that's great!

Just kidding. Hope you're all doing well.

25 posted on 01/13/2011 6:41:35 PM PST by decimon
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To: bannie

I’ve TRIED!

I keep saying Hey! SHUT UP!

He says his name isn’t SHUT UP! It’s Obiwan.


26 posted on 01/13/2011 6:49:35 PM PST by bigheadfred (As a rapturous voice escapes I will tremble a prayer and I'll ask for forgiveness...)
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To: decimon

No, and we need to stop feeding crap like this to kids in school. Not everyone is a potential star. Not everyone is gifted. Most people are in fact ordinary, and many struggle even to be competent. This is reality. This is life. That’s the state of the universe. Hard work will get most people much farther than talent will anyway. THAT’s what we need to teach our kids.


27 posted on 01/13/2011 7:49:03 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: decimon; Salamander; humblegunner; Eaker; TheMom; Allegra; TheOldLady; Larry Lucido; Markos33; ...
"I've come to believe that genius is an exceedingly common human quality, probably natural to most of us... I began to wonder, reluctantly, whether it was possible that being in school itself was what was dumbing them down. Was it possible I had been hired not to enlarge children's power, but to diminish it? That seemed crazy on the face of it, but slowly I began to realize that the bells and the confinement, the crazy sequences, the age-segregation, the lack of privacy, the constant surveillance, and all the rest of national curriculum of schooling were designed exactly as if someone had set out to *prevent* children from learning how to think and act, to coax them into addiction and dependent behavior."

With these words, John Taylor Gatto (former New York City Teacher of the Year) hit on the plot fomented by John Dewey and his cohorts, Beard, Robinson and Verblen to "dumb down" the American public with the specific objective of making us unable to think and distinguish good from evil in an objective manner.

The election of The Usurper and the last Congress is nothing more or less than Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

One more thought from the fertile mind of Dr. Gatto:

"Who besides a degraded rabble would voluntarily present itself to be graded and classified like meat? No wonder school is compulsory."
28 posted on 01/13/2011 9:26:05 PM PST by shibumi (Personification in the Linen Closet!)
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To: VRW Conspirator

VRW Conspirator - you gave a serious reply on a thread reserved for wisecracks. Not very brilliant of you! Bzzzt! But thanks for playing! /jk

This is very much Gardner’s theory of “multiple intelligences.” There was an attempt in the 1990s to utilize these categories in grammar education; I was involved in the start-up of a charter school that used this concept of multiple intelligences as the foundation of its charter.

NCLB essentially derailed a lot of that, because of its demand on outstanding performance in testable academic subjects in order to continue to receive any Federal funds. (The 11% of our budget we got from the Feds wasn’t a huge proportion, but for a charter school - where every penny counts - we had to consider the fiscal realities. We couldn’t afford to give that money up.

It is a great idea, but as long as student success is measured purely by high scpres on “dot tests,” academic performance will be the “most faavored type of genius.”

This, by the way, was the one area where your ideas match almost exactly the philosophies of the teachers in the classrooms. The teachers had all come to our school with years and years of classroom experience, and they knew first-hand the different types of genius that certain children are born with. They all were tremendously enthusiastic about being able to use a variety of standards.

We spent a lot of time in committee developing “rubrics,” which created testable performance standards in non-traditional study areas. It was very difficult work, since the entire school system, from the Post-War era on, is based on the “give them a test and see how smart they are” model(thanks, Stanford-Binet.) The laziest and least-involved teachers will always prefer to use traditional academic testing, since it requires so little effort to administer,


29 posted on 01/13/2011 9:38:44 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: shibumi

I’m part of the “degraded rabble”. My yearly review is coming up. This year it’s a 360 degree review which means some who probably rode the short bus to school will help decide my raise.


30 posted on 01/14/2011 4:04:37 AM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

Fall on your knees and thank God Almighty that you are being considered for a raise at all, no matter how your “committee” got to work. Many people in this country will get no raise and are thankful just to be employed. Jes sayin’.


31 posted on 01/14/2011 6:06:27 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: decimon

Our family produced a supergenius, so I know better than most that not everybody measures up in that regard. Among the many things I learned from our supergenius: genius is overrated and a lot like having more money than you can ever spend, only you can’t give it away.


32 posted on 01/14/2011 6:25:31 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: WileECoyote

Courtesy *PING* to Post #6.


33 posted on 01/14/2011 7:24:29 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: decimon

No, there is not.


34 posted on 01/14/2011 7:27:47 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: worst-case scenario
VRW Conspirator - you gave a serious reply on a thread reserved for wisecracks. Not very brilliant of you! Bzzzt! But thanks for playing! /jk

I stopped reading after this line. Someone with the tact and diplomacy of a rusty razor surely must be wanting of demonstrable wisdom. I really don't want a lecture from a wannabe who tells me I am too serious for this thread then in the same breath waxes, ahem, seriously. Nice! Go ahead, look in the mirror and tell yourself that you are a genius. Oops, you are just a smarta$$.

35 posted on 01/15/2011 10:07:48 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (If raising taxes on an activity reduces such an activity, let's tax liberalism to death.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Hey, I *know* I was being a smartass. No offense was intended. I actually admired your comment, and was trying (poorly, in your opinion) to use a bit of humor to state it.

Please excuse me for trying to pay you a compliment in a way you don’t approve of. I won’t do it again - but then, you probably wouldn’t want any praise from this “someone with the tact and diplomacy of a rusty razor” who is “surely ... wanting of demonstrable wisdom” either.


36 posted on 01/15/2011 4:16:51 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: decimon

Btt


37 posted on 01/17/2011 5:25:01 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv
Is there a genius in all of us?

If so, it might be harder to find in some than others.

38 posted on 01/17/2011 4:09:42 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

D’oh!


39 posted on 01/17/2011 7:07:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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