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Is it a bird? No, it's definitely a plane: NASA unveils extraordinary ideas for the aircraft of 2025
Daily Mail ^ | January 16th 2011 | Staff

Posted on 01/16/2011 2:51:55 AM PST by Cardhu

They are the sort of striking images that wouldn't look out of place in a scene from a sci-fi movie. However, one of these could soon be the face of modern aviation with the unveiling of a new generation of passenger aircraft.

NASA has revealed three concept designs for quiet, energy efficient aircraft that potentially could be ready for flight as soon as 2025.

Three companies - Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and The Boeing Company - came up with the designs and, at the end of last year, all three won a contract from NASA to research, develop and test their concepts in 2011, meaning these futuristic ideas could have the potential to take flight.

The designs came about after NASA revealed it was aiming to develop a line of 'super planes'

Criteria set by NASA meant that each design had to fly up to 85 per cent of the speed of sound, cover a range of about 7,000 miles and carry between 50,000 and 100,000 of payload; either cargo or passengers.

Now, each of the three companies will spend the rest of this year exploring, testing and simulating their designs in the hope that NASA will choose it for development.

How likely it is for these designs to get off the ground is under debate. A spokesman from technology and innovation website Fast Company told the Huffington Post: 'Given how long it usually takes to craft an aircraft from scratch, and bearing in mind how many technical hitches the revolutionary Boeing 787 Dreamliner has suffered, these are the sorts of aircraft that these three firms are probably beginning to design for real right about now.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 2025; flight; nasa

Great pics at the link

1 posted on 01/16/2011 2:52:01 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
My pick for the most likely candidate.....it does not require massive infrastructure changes at airports to accomodate and keeps passengers at the centerline of the craft (most comfortable position)


2 posted on 01/16/2011 3:37:28 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Picture only shows one propolsion device. Therefore no redundancy. Unless it is a “V” tail and the other propulsion device (ducted fan?) is obscured.


3 posted on 01/16/2011 3:43:12 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: Cardhu

Where are the passengers’ windows?

Regards,


4 posted on 01/16/2011 3:46:13 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: Fred Hayek
Yep, single engine airplanes are prohibited from being used by the airlines.

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/15c3d743f67b1af8852566ef006af906!OpenDocument

Although ETOPS has been a relatively recent regulatory move towards fewer engines when crossing oceans. Maybe if 121.159 gets repealed, there could be 'ESOPS' rules for these things when flying.

As for those other planes, I don't think folks are going to want to fly without windows. If they do have seats near where the windows would be on those things, the passengers would be so far from the longitudinal axis that turns would become uncomfortable. Still, here's hoping for new and exciting things in aviation....

5 posted on 01/16/2011 3:59:10 AM PST by Textide
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To: alexander_busek

Those blended wing “span loader” designs will mostly be used as cargo. Can you imagine being seated halfway out out the span and the plane banking 30 degrees? vertigo baby!


6 posted on 01/16/2011 4:20:17 AM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: hattend

You could tweak the software such that the bank angle is at one g. With out a window, you wouldn’t know you were banking. Give me wireless internet and half fares and I wouldn’t care.


7 posted on 01/16/2011 4:58:58 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.http://ma)
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To: Leisler

It’s just that as the bank initiates, if you’re 60 feet out on that wing you’re going up 30 feet and the guy on the other side is going down 30 feet. then if they have to initiate a left right left to get into a pattern, woohoo!

You’ll have some wierd things going on in your inner ear that I don’t think software will compensate for.

But, who knows. I always liked the look of a spanloader.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 5:04:52 AM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Fred Hayek

If you look closely, that engine is outboard on the port side, so the starboard side engine must be obscured.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 5:10:53 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: hattend

Thx!


10 posted on 01/16/2011 5:13:33 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.http://ma)
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To: Textide
“Yep, single engine airplanes are prohibited from being used by the airlines.”

You can fly single engine under as an airline but are prohibited from flying it under IFR.

I bought my Saratoga from Mesa Air because they found out that it wasn't practicle not to be able to fly in bad weather.

It had operated between Denver, Albuquerque, and Phoenix.

11 posted on 01/16/2011 5:14:50 AM PST by dalereed
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To: alexander_busek

Maybe the floor is the new glass reported on earlier this week that is stronger than steel! The new attraction at the Grand Canyon would lose some of its allure.


12 posted on 01/16/2011 5:25:16 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: Cardhu
Why am I not surprised to see this 'concept' aircraft?!




13 posted on 01/16/2011 5:28:34 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Cardhu
2025 is only 14 years from now. If we could go back in time to 1997, I wonder what kind of aircraft we were fantasizing about back then. Anyway, here is the reality...


14 posted on 01/16/2011 5:33:04 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Cardhu

I’ve been convinced for a while that anything NASA announces is already outmoded when they do the announcing.

Google TR3-B


15 posted on 01/16/2011 5:38:25 AM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: djf

“I’ve been convinced for a while that anything NASA announces is already outmoded when they do the announcing.”

NASA is there to keep your attention away from what’s really going on. :)


16 posted on 01/16/2011 5:46:33 AM PST by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Cardhu
Is it possible for an aircraft to look gay?


17 posted on 01/16/2011 6:05:18 AM PST by OCC
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To: Cardhu
That's the 797. It's already flying in scale tests. Same wingspan as a 747, carries almost 1000 passengers and uses 25% less fuel than the AirBust A380.
18 posted on 01/16/2011 6:05:42 AM PST by WellyP
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To: OCC

Looks like a Bandaid commercial.


19 posted on 01/16/2011 6:06:46 AM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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To: alexander_busek

Afrer you go through the scanners you will be shrink wrapped, dehydrated and packed on pallets. Each plane will be able to carry 4,000 pasengers. You will be thrown in to a water tank at journey’s end and rehydrated.

Of course there will be an extra charge for that on top of the 600% handling charge. The shipping cost will be a lottery starting and $2,000 guaranteed not to rise higher than $4,000. This guaranteed may change anytime without notice.

Luggage - You buy new plastic government designed coveralls at your destination.

Believe me you will not miss the windows.


20 posted on 01/16/2011 6:17:44 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Bigh4u2

Canada with Avro had made flying saucers as far back as the late 50s, I just don’t think they are very practical heh.


21 posted on 01/16/2011 6:26:00 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
Yep!


22 posted on 01/16/2011 6:28:46 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

haha, that wasn’t the pic they showed us during training, but that looks comical too just like the other one did.

I still think ramjets, or scramjet engines are the way to go, you just need a secondary propulsion to get the aircraft up to speed so they can operate. Then we can cut down our travel times drastically, provided we have neutered the TSA by then heh.


23 posted on 01/16/2011 6:30:47 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Yeah. That’s the ‘Fred Flintstone’ pic!

:)

“I still think ramjets, or scramjet engines are the way to go, you just need a secondary propulsion to get the aircraft up to speed so they can operate. Then we can cut down our travel times drastically, provided we have neutered the TSA by then heh.”

You’d have to fly it like the B2.. No real ‘stick’ but computer controlled.


24 posted on 01/16/2011 6:42:10 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: OCC

LOL - everyone is laughing at my pink camera.


25 posted on 01/16/2011 6:42:10 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: alexander_busek

26 posted on 01/16/2011 7:00:41 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Erik Latranyi
You are probably right but my choices to put the TSA out of business are:


For the business traveller

For the small family circa 2025 - it can land and take off from water or air strip.

27 posted on 01/16/2011 7:04:34 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Bigh4u2

computer controlled does make me nervous I will admit. Well, one has to wonder now how they flew the SR-71, and birds that went that fast. I suppose I could google it, but the kids are up and I better feed them heh.


28 posted on 01/16/2011 7:07:20 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: dalereed

Thanks for the clarification. Just when you think you know the FARs, there’s a loophole...


29 posted on 01/16/2011 7:13:50 AM PST by Textide
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To: AFreeBird

Thus my comment about the V-tail.


30 posted on 01/16/2011 7:50:00 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: Fred Hayek

With the curved struts, I’d say more of a U shape.


31 posted on 01/16/2011 8:39:05 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Bigh4u2
The feet below (and behind) the pilot make this look like a Flintstones saucer.
32 posted on 01/16/2011 4:44:43 PM PST by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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